Just took delivery of my new 2014 E63 AMG S HOT WAGON
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I've heard it has to do with suspension settings ont the amg cars not allowing the extra weight of occupants in the back... maybe too hard a ride... i sure wish it was an option... maybe not standard but available.
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I'm sure it has something to do with the kind of thrust these cars produce. Can you imagine if you had kids in the back facing rear seat and you did a wide open throttle, they would probably end up with broken legs if they did not have their seatbelts on. At least with regular facing seats you just get pressed into the backrest, not so with rear facing seats.
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all interesting ideas, and all incorrect.
there is no factory 3rd row installed due to the size of the spare AMG rim under the rear floor. liability, "thrust", load limits, exhaust theories are all rubbish. if you don't care about running with only a tire repair kit, then you can install the 3rd row.
there is no factory 3rd row installed due to the size of the spare AMG rim under the rear floor. liability, "thrust", load limits, exhaust theories are all rubbish. if you don't care about running with only a tire repair kit, then you can install the 3rd row.
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all interesting ideas, and all incorrect.
there is no factory 3rd row installed due to the size of the spare AMG rim under the rear floor. liability, "thrust", load limits, exhaust theories are all rubbish. if you don't care about running with only a tire repair kit, then you can install the 3rd row.
there is no factory 3rd row installed due to the size of the spare AMG rim under the rear floor. liability, "thrust", load limits, exhaust theories are all rubbish. if you don't care about running with only a tire repair kit, then you can install the 3rd row.
Seems odd then that in canada we cant get it since we get cars without spare but with tirefit kit...
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my car has the 3rd row. the trunk load limit is almost 500# (same as E350). the exhaust routing is no issue. does the car accelerate too fast to be considered safe for rear-facing seats? this is the least likely scenario. remember that the 3rd row is an option in the E350, and on the previous W211 AMG wagon. if we assume that lawyers and engineers in Mercedes' liability division have any amount of reasoning ability, we should assume that if the 3rd row is deemed acceptably safe in the E350, then the same would be true for the car that has the V8. the size, weight and output of a motor does not effect the general passenger-seating characteristics of like chassis'.
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all interesting ideas, and all incorrect.
there is no factory 3rd row installed due to the size of the spare AMG rim under the rear floor. liability, "thrust", load limits, exhaust theories are all rubbish. if you don't care about running with only a tire repair kit, then you can install the 3rd row.
there is no factory 3rd row installed due to the size of the spare AMG rim under the rear floor. liability, "thrust", load limits, exhaust theories are all rubbish. if you don't care about running with only a tire repair kit, then you can install the 3rd row.
This is incorrect as well.
It has been stated by AMG that the reason there is no 3rd row is because of the difficulty in tuning the suspension. Tuning the kinematics for a 5 passenger wagon vs. having another 300-500 lbs behind the rear axel is too compromising. Basically, you would get ****ty handling and ride in one or the other scenarios.
As much I as want 7 passengers (which would be rarely used at all), I would rather have better handling and ride for 5.
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This is incorrect as well.
It has been stated by AMG that the reason there is no 3rd row is because of the difficulty in tuning the suspension. Tuning the kinematics for a 5 passenger wagon vs. having another 300-500 lbs behind the rear axel is too compromising. Basically, you would get ****ty handling and ride in one or the other scenarios.
As much I as want 7 passengers (which would be rarely used at all), I would rather have better handling and ride for 5.
It has been stated by AMG that the reason there is no 3rd row is because of the difficulty in tuning the suspension. Tuning the kinematics for a 5 passenger wagon vs. having another 300-500 lbs behind the rear axel is too compromising. Basically, you would get ****ty handling and ride in one or the other scenarios.
As much I as want 7 passengers (which would be rarely used at all), I would rather have better handling and ride for 5.
Thanks for bringing it up... I think I've read that from one of your other posts...
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It has been stated by AMG that the reason there is no 3rd row is because of the difficulty in tuning the suspension. Tuning the kinematics for a 5 passenger wagon vs. having another 300-500 lbs behind the rear axel is too compromising. Basically, you would get ****ty handling and ride in one or the other scenarios.
As much I as want 7 passengers (which would be rarely used at all), I would rather have better handling and ride for 5.
As much I as want 7 passengers (which would be rarely used at all), I would rather have better handling and ride for 5.
link us to that article. the whole beauty of Airmatic suspension in the rear is to actively adjust for varying loads. what you're suggesting is that AMG has made a statement admitting they are unfamiliar with the way the system works?
the seat package itself adds about 12 pounds over the stock pieces. my two kids together barely equal 100 pounds. the car is rated to carry nearly 500# of trunk cargo and is rated to carry up to 1200# of total cargo.
i'm kind of wondering how 100 lbs of cargo in the trunk of a road-going station wagon that weighs 2.5 tons amounts to vehicle dynamics that don't meet your performance standards?
don't over-think what's already been over-thought fellas. you've got over 1000# of usable weight to pile into your wagons. the roof rack will take 200#, the trunk 500#.
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c'mon. seriously?
link us to that article. the whole beauty of Airmatic suspension in the rear is to actively adjust for varying loads. what you're suggesting is that AMG has made a statement admitting they are unfamiliar with the way the system works?
the seat package itself adds about 12 pounds over the stock pieces. my two kids together barely equal 100 pounds. the car is rated to carry nearly 500# of trunk cargo and is rated to carry up to 1200# of total cargo.
i'm kind of wondering how 100 lbs of cargo in the trunk of a road-going station wagon that weighs 2.5 tons amounts to vehicle dynamics that don't meet your performance standards?
don't over-think what's already been over-thought fellas. you've got over 1000# of usable weight to pile into your wagons. the roof rack will take 200#, the trunk 500#.
link us to that article. the whole beauty of Airmatic suspension in the rear is to actively adjust for varying loads. what you're suggesting is that AMG has made a statement admitting they are unfamiliar with the way the system works?
the seat package itself adds about 12 pounds over the stock pieces. my two kids together barely equal 100 pounds. the car is rated to carry nearly 500# of trunk cargo and is rated to carry up to 1200# of total cargo.
i'm kind of wondering how 100 lbs of cargo in the trunk of a road-going station wagon that weighs 2.5 tons amounts to vehicle dynamics that don't meet your performance standards?
don't over-think what's already been over-thought fellas. you've got over 1000# of usable weight to pile into your wagons. the roof rack will take 200#, the trunk 500#.
Benyl is exactly correct with his statement. Here is the direct quote from the AMG Private Lounge from William Vetter of AMG...
"the bulk of reason for the no 3rd row is not really crash based, it is performance based. If the 3rd row is left in, you have to make the rear suspension compensate for the potential load of two people back there...while the load of two people does not sound like much, the weigh concentration is square on the rear axle...so all adjustments made to compensate for it would be predominately on the real axle alone as the front would not bear much of the load.
this compensation in the suspension set up for the potential load would likely cause adverse effects when there was no weight present...which is in about 95% of the use cases..."
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I did. They don't list prices. Anyways let me put it this way. Oil changes or what say $200 max that's 5 oil changes = $1000. What is the other $1500 coming out to. Just checking fluids and filters and replacing them as necessary? Is that worth the $1500. That's what I really want to know.
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Mike,
Benyl is exactly correct with his statement. Here is the direct quote from the AMG Private Lounge from William Vetter of AMG...
"the bulk of reason for the no 3rd row is not really crash based, it is performance based. If the 3rd row is left in, you have to make the rear suspension compensate for the potential load of two people back there...while the load of two people does not sound like much, the weigh concentration is square on the rear axle...so all adjustments made to compensate for it would be predominately on the real axle alone as the front would not bear much of the load.
this compensation in the suspension set up for the potential load would likely cause adverse effects when there was no weight present...which is in about 95% of the use cases..."
Benyl is exactly correct with his statement. Here is the direct quote from the AMG Private Lounge from William Vetter of AMG...
"the bulk of reason for the no 3rd row is not really crash based, it is performance based. If the 3rd row is left in, you have to make the rear suspension compensate for the potential load of two people back there...while the load of two people does not sound like much, the weigh concentration is square on the rear axle...so all adjustments made to compensate for it would be predominately on the real axle alone as the front would not bear much of the load.
this compensation in the suspension set up for the potential load would likely cause adverse effects when there was no weight present...which is in about 95% of the use cases..."
i think of this like a pilot. you subtract the curb weight from the max gross vehicle weight to get a useable weight figure. in our cars it's 1200#. the manufacturer then lists the weight capacities for each of the areas of the car. the trunk limit is 500#. doesn't matter if it's people or firewood. this is kind of what i was talking about with the 'over-thinking it' bit.
the 3rd row seats fit, and the trunk is designed to carry triple the weight of 2 10-year olds. slam dunk.
