My first track day video
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Similar experience here. Quickly overheated the front tires. In a 20-minute run group that meant 5 minutes balanced handling, 15 minutes understeer.
Two 20-minute run groups completely consumed my front Contis and the remainder of the stock brake pads.
Racingbrake.com makes a very agressive racing pad if you'd like, but it was back to the Z06 for me.
I also had PreSafe go off a couple times before I figured I had to stay away from other cars in the brake zones. Luckily I managed that pretty easily without killing the fun. Its a very fast car, but not a good track car at all.
Two 20-minute run groups completely consumed my front Contis and the remainder of the stock brake pads.
Racingbrake.com makes a very agressive racing pad if you'd like, but it was back to the Z06 for me.
I also had PreSafe go off a couple times before I figured I had to stay away from other cars in the brake zones. Luckily I managed that pretty easily without killing the fun. Its a very fast car, but not a good track car at all.
The crazy people that took the E to the track will fully understand. For me was braking and handling was good till about 10 minutes (6 laps). That is only if you try to balance the tire/brake overheating issue with speed. I am still trying to get a fast lap in. The last two minutes (7-8 laps) I can sense the front tires is getting overheated and definitely more understeer came out hence I need to go back to the pits. agree its a fast car but not a track car unless you have deep pockets for consumables.
I don't think brake ducts will help with this E wagon and this particular track. Might be a bit better if the track had huge straight away and smooth transition through each corners without a lot of braking. In the end I believe it will still become the same result but you may get more time and sessions in.
As we speak, I'm already working on the brakes (may work with carbotech or RB), suspension (lower it and more camber), and upgraded tires. I got 5 sets of hoosiers/V710 sitting in the garage for that one sunny day. Still debating if I should go AMS or Renntech. The bone stock stuff is to set up a baseline for my lap time and data acquisition. I believe I can cut minimum 2.5 seconds down and this will allow me to pass these car blockers easily.
Bravo to the OP on taking an E to Mission! For others, it is a very short, technical track that is murder on brakes. I've been wanting to take my E out but can bear the thought of burning up a set of brakes in a session or two (I've done that before on a previous car and will only now take a proper track car out).
I'm surprised to see Vancouverites here. Should gather a track day with E63 and C63 all together for a day. That will be a hilarious scene. I do see C63 out there but even that it is a rare event. You gotta bring the E out at least once just to feel what it is like. You don't want the oem dust pads anyways. I wonder what is your track cars.
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As we speak, I'm already working on the brakes (may work with carbotech or RB), suspension (lower it and more camber), and upgraded tires. I got 5 sets of hoosiers/V710 sitting in the garage for that one sunny day. Still debating if I should go AMS or Renntech. The bone stock stuff is to set up a baseline for my lap time and data acquisition. I believe I can cut minimum 2.5 seconds down and this will allow me to pass these car blockers easily.
I'm surprised to see Vancouverites here. Should gather a track day with E63 and C63 all together for a day. That will be a hilarious scene. I do see C63 out there but even that it is a rare event. You gotta bring the E out at least once just to feel what it is like. You don't want the oem dust pads anyways. I wonder what is your track cars.
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I am still trying to get a fast lap in. The last two minutes (7-8 laps) I can sense the front tires is getting overheated and definitely more understeer came out hence I need to go back to the pits. agree its a fast car but not a track car unless you have deep pockets for consumables.
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