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Old May 31, 2015 | 06:38 PM
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2011 E63 vs 2012 E63

2011 E63 vs 2012 E63
i know the 2012 has the new TT engine but it's also about 15k more on the used market than a 2011

if comparing identical cars. Is the 2012 that much better overall at buy of 59k vs a 2011 at $44k


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Old May 31, 2015 | 07:08 PM
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Old May 31, 2015 | 08:50 PM
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on what basis?
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Old May 31, 2015 | 11:32 PM
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Here is my two cents:

First let me declare that I recently purchased a fully loaded 2011 for $47k with 30k miles on it and 3 months left on factory warranty.

It is really this simple I believe:

If you never intend on getting significant gains via aftermarket tuning then the 2011 is a reasonable choice. Without question.

However, if you have aspirations of tuning it to higher performance, you have many more cost effective options to tune the biturbo!

For example, at Renntech, for ~$3k you can upgrade the 2011 from base 518 hp 465 ft-lb torque to 534 hp and 485 ft-lb torque. NOT very cost effective.

Now, on the 2012, for ~$2,500 you can go from 518hp to ~ 660 hp (going off memory, might be slightly different)

Point here is that when it comes to tuning you have many more options with the turbo than with NA.

hope this helps.
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Old Jun 1, 2015 | 02:59 PM
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I think it comes down to the feel when driving the car. I thought the 2010 E63 I have was a little slow to react to throttle inputs and only drove fine in the upper parts of the rev range . Most of the time I was enjoying the A4 turbo I had more because of the mid-range torque a turbo engine gives u.
Once I install the sprintbooster the story changed. The throttle response is so much sharper and linear. Love the car now
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Old Jun 2, 2015 | 01:09 AM
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I would go with whatever you felt more comfortable with financially. If you don't see enough value in the 2012 to inspire you to spend the extra money then just get the 2011. Both are going to be amazingly fast compared to most cars on the street and most cosmetic changes in the interior are going to be just up to personal preference. If you get a 2012 you will have a year of warranty left to fix anything wrong with it so there is some value in that also.
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Old Jun 2, 2015 | 11:10 AM
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I personally like the 2011 better than the 2012. NA vs turbo is a personal choice. I've loved and own both.

The 6.2L M156 (518hp stock) can be OBDII tuned using a handheld device for a grand by a reputable tuner (eurocharged) and gain 30hp, adding headers cost $3000 and adds ~40hp. Weistec supercharger cost $15k and results in 770hp and 677ft/lb.

The M157 cost $3000k to tune (ECU must be removed and bench modified) but results in ~640hp and 700 ft/lbs. Weistec downpipes add 40hp and cost $4500. Turbo upgrade runs $8000+ and gives a car with 730hp.
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Originally Posted by rediesel
I personally like the 2011 better than the 2012. NA vs turbo is a personal choice. I've loved and own both.

The 6.2L M156 (518hp stock) can be OBDII tuned using a handheld device for a grand by a reputable tuner (eurocharged) and gain 30hp, adding headers cost $3000 and adds ~40hp. Weistec supercharger cost $15k and results in 770hp and 677ft/lb.

The M157 cost $3000k to tune (ECU must be removed and bench modified) but results in ~640hp and 700 ft/lbs. Weistec downpipes add 40hp and cost $4500. Turbo upgrade runs $8000+ and gives a car with 730hp.
Would love to know an example of a tuner that can get 30 hp for $1G out of a handheld OBDII. Please offer name(s) if you can.

Only thing I found for my 2011 was from RennTech that offers 16 hp for almost $3G. They send you the handheld to keep. And you can go back and forth between stock and tuned.

But 16hp for $3,000??? No thanks.

30hp for $1,000? Quite possibly. It would need to be reversible though.
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