Anyone waiting for the 2017 E63 AMG ?
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Same here, if the next generation M5 ends up being a better car then the W213 E63, I might think about going back to BMW.
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I really liked M5 V10 and was about to purchase it before I got my E55 but dealer himself and the bimmer forum told me not to get it cause it would've given lot of problems.
So ended up with E55.
I'm in market to change my car now- as soon as opportunity arrives all these will be on my list- Porsche Panamera Turbo (new gen coming out in March), RS7 , E63 (new gen coming out) M5 (new gen coming out -but only if AWD)
I don't think I'd buy a RWD only car again-this year's snow and mind you-only few days we've had snow-taught me a lot lol.
We got the entire winter in like few weeks or so lol
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now with turbos being more and more lag free, you can replace the s/c component of the compound boost set up with a smaller lag-free turbo for the low-end power and a bigger turbo for the highend power
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Benz never had shapes to compliment outrageous colors like -Orange or fire red on their E63s -M3-M4-M5 you could get away with -Now RS7s
I really liked M5 V10 and was about to purchase it before I got my E55 but dealer himself and the bimmer forum told me not to get it cause it would've given lot of problems.
So ended up with E55.
I'm in market to change my car now- as soon as opportunity arrives all these will be on my list- Porsche Panamera Turbo (new gen coming out in March), RS7 , E63 (new gen coming out) M5 (new gen coming out -but only if AWD)
I don't think I'd buy a RWD only car again-this year's snow and mind you-only few days we've had snow-taught me a lot lol.
We got the entire winter in like few weeks or so lol
I really liked M5 V10 and was about to purchase it before I got my E55 but dealer himself and the bimmer forum told me not to get it cause it would've given lot of problems.
So ended up with E55.
I'm in market to change my car now- as soon as opportunity arrives all these will be on my list- Porsche Panamera Turbo (new gen coming out in March), RS7 , E63 (new gen coming out) M5 (new gen coming out -but only if AWD)
I don't think I'd buy a RWD only car again-this year's snow and mind you-only few days we've had snow-taught me a lot lol.
We got the entire winter in like few weeks or so lol
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Now that we're at the end of our Wagon lease I'll be sitting on my hands until the next one comes out. This next version should be a pretty significant change in the body, engine, transmission, and overall tech.
This, of course, will go out the window if Audi really does decide to bring it's RS6 Avant to the states.
This, of course, will go out the window if Audi really does decide to bring it's RS6 Avant to the states.
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A Mercedes salesman who list himself as "AMG Specialist & Master Sales & Leasing Consultant" emailed me this:
... the new E63 will be coming out as a 2018 model in 2017
... the new E63 will be coming out as a 2018 model in 2017
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I don't know whether that'll be both versions or if the wagon will be delayed another year.
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For long term tuning, I think you can't beat the 5.5 BT versus the newer 4.0 BT. Is Renntech getting ~700 hp out of the new C63 S?
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BMW 4.4l makes 650 to 700rwhp/600 - 650rwtq with just tune and exhaust.
Better designed engine with much more efficient turbo. Our 5.5 can hardly do much more than 620rwhp (I won't count Weistec 645rwhp since it has yet to be duplicated outside their shop and their own w3 turbo barely passed the 700 rwhp mark on pump gas).
I am hoping the 4.0 is a better engine, good flowing heads, cams, and better turbos. Even better designed than that in the current AMG GTS. Cos if not, expect the 2006 to 2007 transition for the w211 where they were rated about the same but the supercharged engines were faster than the newer NA ones.
Better designed engine with much more efficient turbo. Our 5.5 can hardly do much more than 620rwhp (I won't count Weistec 645rwhp since it has yet to be duplicated outside their shop and their own w3 turbo barely passed the 700 rwhp mark on pump gas).
I am hoping the 4.0 is a better engine, good flowing heads, cams, and better turbos. Even better designed than that in the current AMG GTS. Cos if not, expect the 2006 to 2007 transition for the w211 where they were rated about the same but the supercharged engines were faster than the newer NA ones.
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BMW 4.4l makes 650 to 700rwhp/600 - 650rwtq with just tune and exhaust.
Better designed engine with much more efficient turbo. Our 5.5 can hardly do much more than 620rwhp (I won't count Weistec 645rwhp since it has yet to be duplicated outside their shop and their own w3 turbo barely passed the 700 rwhp mark on pump gas).
I am hoping the 4.0 is a better engine, good flowing heads, cams, and better turbos. Even better designed than that in the current AMG GTS. Cos if not, expect the 2006 to 2007 transition for the w211 where they were rated about the same but the supercharged engines were faster than the newer NA ones.
Better designed engine with much more efficient turbo. Our 5.5 can hardly do much more than 620rwhp (I won't count Weistec 645rwhp since it has yet to be duplicated outside their shop and their own w3 turbo barely passed the 700 rwhp mark on pump gas).
I am hoping the 4.0 is a better engine, good flowing heads, cams, and better turbos. Even better designed than that in the current AMG GTS. Cos if not, expect the 2006 to 2007 transition for the w211 where they were rated about the same but the supercharged engines were faster than the newer NA ones.
we just have small turbos.. i believe ours are a/r .50 while the bmw is a/r.66, so the BMW turbo is 32% bigger
on stock turbos vs stock turbos , tuned M5 and e63 are running pretty much same times 10.9/130 so that really sucks for the bmw if it is lighter and has 30 to 80whp according to your numbers above
we are still limited by software, not hardware...
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bmw S63TU its not a better designed engine, its bigger turbos and better tuning market.....the bmw S63TU motor starts off stock with 22psi while m157 start off at 14-18psi depending on model.... the power figures you are talking about are tunes that are running 26psi and they have been able to run stock turbos up to 30psi ,so clearly if we had turbos running 30psi we would be well over 700whp
we just have small turbos.. i believe ours are a/r .50 while the bmw is a/r.66, so the BMW turbo is 32% bigger
on stock turbos vs stock turbos , tuned M5 and e63 are running pretty much same times 10.9/130 so that really sucks for the bmw if it is lighter and has 30 to 80whp according to your numbers above
we are still limited by software, not hardware...
we just have small turbos.. i believe ours are a/r .50 while the bmw is a/r.66, so the BMW turbo is 32% bigger
on stock turbos vs stock turbos , tuned M5 and e63 are running pretty much same times 10.9/130 so that really sucks for the bmw if it is lighter and has 30 to 80whp according to your numbers above
we are still limited by software, not hardware...
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Actually problem is not being able to get above 19psi. Its that our turbos are rather useless above that.
Also taking a hot film MAF; infinitely variable valve timed; High revving engine that actually make power up top; better overall volumetric efficiency to make a torque curve so flat I can park my lunch plate on it, etc etc and comparing to a speed density engine that peaks out completely at 5500 or less rpm even if you up the boost past 19psi and saying its all about the turbos may be reaching a bit there gaspam.
Yes out rather small snails is a hinderance, but the S63TU is a much better designed engine (not to be confused with a better or stronger engine)
Also taking a hot film MAF; infinitely variable valve timed; High revving engine that actually make power up top; better overall volumetric efficiency to make a torque curve so flat I can park my lunch plate on it, etc etc and comparing to a speed density engine that peaks out completely at 5500 or less rpm even if you up the boost past 19psi and saying its all about the turbos may be reaching a bit there gaspam.
Yes out rather small snails is a hinderance, but the S63TU is a much better designed engine (not to be confused with a better or stronger engine)
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as mentioned above... if its a better engine and putting out 30-80whp more tuned (stock turbos) and weighing a few pounds less, then its odd that it runs the same times (~10.9/130).... if anything, that would indicate the opposite of better ..more HP less weight but not faster 
and our turbos are useless above 19 psi because they are smaller... again, put the same size turbos on the M157 as the s63tu, tune it and m157 numbers will be higher ... i believe the renntech turbo upgrade is a 68mm compressor so its about the same as bmw's stock unit and m157 is getting 730+whp when running the bmw sized turbos.
and SD vs maf isnt a big deal unless you dont get retuned for new mods... and in case you didnt know, all the big HP gtr's have the stock MAF system converted to SD because MAF becomes a restriction hurdle.
for tuning high HP a SD setup is much easier and once we start getting a few m157's in the 1000whp level the s63tu crowd is going to wish they didnt have MAF setup
so yes, maf engine is better for a stock car or slightly tuned car that you want to drive in multiple drastically different altitudes, but if you want to heavily mod and run big big power like gtr's you will have to convert maf to SD just like the gtrs do at around 800whp
and our turbos are useless above 19 psi because they are smaller... again, put the same size turbos on the M157 as the s63tu, tune it and m157 numbers will be higher ... i believe the renntech turbo upgrade is a 68mm compressor so its about the same as bmw's stock unit and m157 is getting 730+whp when running the bmw sized turbos.
and SD vs maf isnt a big deal unless you dont get retuned for new mods... and in case you didnt know, all the big HP gtr's have the stock MAF system converted to SD because MAF becomes a restriction hurdle.
for tuning high HP a SD setup is much easier and once we start getting a few m157's in the 1000whp level the s63tu crowd is going to wish they didnt have MAF setup
so yes, maf engine is better for a stock car or slightly tuned car that you want to drive in multiple drastically different altitudes, but if you want to heavily mod and run big big power like gtr's you will have to convert maf to SD just like the gtrs do at around 800whp
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The F10 M5s are in the 9s already at full weight
You are right, converting to MAP makes it easier once you start going for really big power. However look back at the M113k engines also SD.....crickets in the 9s still (except a CLK with an engine swap, I do not count that since it is a good 400-500lbs lighter)
For a daily driver the M157 is phenomenal and more than enough. We are living in some wonderful times that 600-730 BHP and making over 20MPG on a 4300lb family sedan is considered "normal". That being said, the powercurve of the S63TU gives me all kinds of wood even though I like the overall E63 car better.
The M157 powercurve however looks just like a typical American big block all torque with choked up heads.
You are right, converting to MAP makes it easier once you start going for really big power. However look back at the M113k engines also SD.....crickets in the 9s still (except a CLK with an engine swap, I do not count that since it is a good 400-500lbs lighter)
For a daily driver the M157 is phenomenal and more than enough. We are living in some wonderful times that 600-730 BHP and making over 20MPG on a 4300lb family sedan is considered "normal". That being said, the powercurve of the S63TU gives me all kinds of wood even though I like the overall E63 car better.
The M157 powercurve however looks just like a typical American big block all torque with choked up heads.
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The F10 M5s are in the 9s already at full weight
You are right, converting to MAP makes it easier once you start going for really big power. However look back at the M113k engines also SD.....crickets in the 9s still (except a CLK with an engine swap, I do not count that since it is a good 400-500lbs lighter)
For a daily driver the M157 is phenomenal and more than enough. We are living in some wonderful times that 600-730 BHP and making over 20MPG on a 4300lb family sedan is considered "normal". That being said, the powercurve of the S63TU gives me all kinds of wood even though I like the overall E63 car better.
The M157 powercurve however looks just like a typical American big block all torque with choked up heads.
You are right, converting to MAP makes it easier once you start going for really big power. However look back at the M113k engines also SD.....crickets in the 9s still (except a CLK with an engine swap, I do not count that since it is a good 400-500lbs lighter)
For a daily driver the M157 is phenomenal and more than enough. We are living in some wonderful times that 600-730 BHP and making over 20MPG on a 4300lb family sedan is considered "normal". That being said, the powercurve of the S63TU gives me all kinds of wood even though I like the overall E63 car better.
The M157 powercurve however looks just like a typical American big block all torque with choked up heads.
we are talking stalk turbos... s63tu is not in 9's on stock turbos.... there is only one s63tu in 9's and its 9.99/140 on prepped track on pure turbos stage 2 turbo upgrade... you might as well compare that car to vasily's GAD M157 with 1115+awhp trapping 143+ on damp cold german airstip (he also trapped 140mph when he was still on renntech GTX2870r turbos running only 21psi- same boost as stock M5 turbos) or the GAD C63 with m157 transplant that ran 9.94 @142
we were talking stock turbos, and stock turbo m5's/m6s are maxing out at 10.9/130 about same as stock turbo'd m157's
dont get me wrong, s63tu is a great engine just like the m157, but its been seen when people get aggressive with modding both engines, the m157 has produced at least +294 whp more on vasily's car 1115 awhp than ram's 821 whp (allmotor_200) 9.99 sec m5
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we are talking stalk turbos... s63tu is not in 9's on stock turbos.... there is only one s63tu in 9's and its 9.99/140 on prepped track on pure turbos stage 2 turbo upgrade... you might as well compare that car to vasily's GAD M157 with 1115+awhp trapping 143+ on damp cold german airstip (he also trapped 140mph when he was still on renntech GTX2870r turbos running only 21psi- same boost as stock M5 turbos) or the GAD C63 with m157 transplant that ran 9.94 @142
we were talking stock turbos, and stock turbo m5's/m6s are maxing out at 10.9/130 about same as stock turbo'd m157's
dont get me wrong, s63tu is a great engine just like the m157, but its been seen when people get aggressive with modding both engines, the m157 has produced at least +294 whp more on vasily's car 1115 awhp than ram's 821 whp (allmotor_200) 9.99 sec m5
we were talking stock turbos, and stock turbo m5's/m6s are maxing out at 10.9/130 about same as stock turbo'd m157's
dont get me wrong, s63tu is a great engine just like the m157, but its been seen when people get aggressive with modding both engines, the m157 has produced at least +294 whp more on vasily's car 1115 awhp than ram's 821 whp (allmotor_200) 9.99 sec m5
Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
Anything different from last time has a (*new) next to it. Track conditions were not as good as last time. I seriously screwed up the run as I let off before the light at the end turned on. My previous run was 142.5mph (10.16 ET) with a 1.77 60-foot. This time I got a 1.57 60-foot and should have hit a 9.8x.
Wheels: 19" Mickey Thompson Rear (305/35/19), 20" Stock Michelins in front
Fuel: MS109 + 91
Meth: 100%
Boost: 28psi
Pure S1 Turbos
Upgraded Clutch
Ice Tank
AMS DP
BPM Tune
BMS JB4 + BCM
BMS Intakes (*new)
RPI Exhaust
DSS 1200hp Axles (*new)
All seats removed and Recaro as driver seat.
Wheels: 19" Mickey Thompson Rear (305/35/19), 20" Stock Michelins in front
Fuel: MS109 + 91
Meth: 100%
Boost: 28psi
Pure S1 Turbos
Upgraded Clutch
Ice Tank
AMS DP
BPM Tune
BMS JB4 + BCM
BMS Intakes (*new)
RPI Exhaust
DSS 1200hp Axles (*new)
All seats removed and Recaro as driver seat.
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vasily still ran 140mph trap on stock motor when he was on renntech turbos which is equal to allrams 140 trap
pp_performance has also run 10 flat on m157 with 140 traps and stock motor...
fact of the matter is there are more M157's trapping 140+ than s63tu's
but we were talking about stock turbo vs stock turbo originally and wanted to bring up a gutted highly modified 9.99sec M5, so i brought up a highly modified FULL interior e63 4matic (and if you listen to all the people on this board that would mean its WAYYY slower than it would of been if it was RWD
)and its not like comparing to AMS/renntech/weistec, because unlike kits for M157, the pure turbo kit for s63tu, at those power levels, has to run meth 100% of the time (so make sure to carry a bunch of meth on a road trip lol):
It is also important to note the meth injection here as the S63TU fuel system needs the methanol support at these levels and owners would be wise to use it until direct injection fuel system upgrades are available and commonplace on the platform.
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Yep two great engines, one like a big block Muurican engine and the other like a sophisticated smaller higher revving European engine. I love both BTW!
Small excerpt about that run:
Didnt see your post. Yes I was mistaken, I thought the M5 was running stock turbos, it was Pure stage 1. So my bad on that. But my assertion still stands, a 4.0 with tech similar to the M157 5.5l will peak out easily at ~550rwhp
Small excerpt about that run:
We could have seen a 9.8 or maybe even a 9.7 but the Famoso drag strip kicked @allmotor_2000 out for running 9's without a roll cage. Speaking from experience, Famoso is not any fun when it comes to accommodating those trying to set records. As if the car becomes much safer at 10.0 seconds than 9.9.
So how does this stack up to Audi RS7 or Mercedes E63/CLS63 AMG competition? The M5 beats either to the 9's. Rather incredible considering BMW's competition uses all wheel drive and automatic transmissions meaning they are much easier to launch.
So how does this stack up to Audi RS7 or Mercedes E63/CLS63 AMG competition? The M5 beats either to the 9's. Rather incredible considering BMW's competition uses all wheel drive and automatic transmissions meaning they are much easier to launch.
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Small excerpt about that run:"We could have seen a 9.8 or maybe even a 9.7 but the Famoso drag strip kicked @allmotor_2000 out for running 9's without a roll cage. Speaking from experience, Famoso is not any fun when it comes to accommodating those trying to set records. As if the car becomes much safer at 10.0 seconds than 9.9.
So how does this stack up to Audi RS7 or Mercedes E63/CLS63 AMG competition? The M5 beats either to the 9's. Rather incredible considering BMW's competition uses all wheel drive and automatic transmissions meaning they are much easier to launch.
keep in mind vasily's runs were on street tires not drag radials, so he can replicate the 140+mph trap runs on the street (even though they basically were done on the street)
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