I find it interesting that you're bashing your charged because of downtime when I've had the exact same experience with weistec having to wait four months for what should have been a two-week Turbo upgrade. I had the same experience a second time with Bulletproof transmission rebuild. You talk about who is going to pay for insurance and stuff well for my car I paid over 6 months of insurance while my car was on a hoist.
I was told this W-4 would be done and ready for sale and October 2015. And now you're talking about accepting deposits for nov 2016. I sent my w-3 turbos to powerhaus for a proper upgrade because a W3 turbos did not produce the power that was quoted.
I think you should run a W-4 e63 in the quarter mile. Your dyno numbers don't mean a lot to me after my W3 experience. If it runs low 10s I would be willing to put a deposit on it.
What did you gain from w3? 1/4 mile time so I'll have reference numbers . My car was on the lift 4 month total for all the upgrades and snapped transmission
Not sure who Alex is, but as my user name should indicate, I have AMS so no EC or Weistec.
I define good business practice by what the customer says and not how I define a company. As a long time member like yourself, you should be commenting on the people who had bad experiences with tuners and step in their shoes, unless of course your affiliate with these tuners. I was updating what I was told by Weistec on the w4 because I was interested in the related output, price like this thread's OP and others have commented about the w4 package. I have no power when the w4 will be finally available, but this is what Weistec had said. If they don't deliver on the current delivery date, don't shoot the messager.
I do however agree with you taking deposits for something that is not even devolpe yet is to cover development and manufacturing costs is raisky for the buyer, but we are talking about smaller companies with less than desire working capital to work with.
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What did you gain from w3? 1/4 mile time so I'll have reference numbers . My car was on the lift 4 month total for all the upgrades and snapped transmission
I ran a best of 11.4 at 124mph, about 50 runs. This w.3 turbo and weistec air filters. Factory exhaust. I would have shaved a few 10ths with weistec exhaust.
I ran a best of 11.4 at 124mph, about 50 runs. This w.3 turbo and weistev air filters. Factory exhaust. I would have shaved a few 10ths with weistec exhaust.
Have you logged the car after upgrade ? I ran stage 1 way faster .
Not sure who Alex is, but as my user name should indicate, I have AMS so no EC or Weistec.
I define good business practice by what the customer says and not how I define a company. As a long time member like yourself, you should be commenting on the people who had bad experiences with tuners and step in their shoes, unless of course your affiliate with these tuners. I was updating what I was told by Weistec on the w4 because I was interested in the related output, price like this thread's OP and others have commented about the w4 package. I have no power when the w4 will be finally available, but this is what Weistec had said. If they don't deliver on the current delivery date, don't shoot the messager.
I do however agree with you taking deposits for something that is not even devolpe yet is to cover development and manufacturing costs is raisky for the buyer, but we are talking about smaller companies with less than desire working capital to work with.
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Have you logged the car after upgrade ? I ran stage 1 way faster .
Logged by installer. He said everything ran fine but exhaust was bottleneck. He has over 2 decades of experience on merceded and bmw and does lots of aftermarket stuff. When all is said and done I did not find these to perform a lot better than factory turbos.
Logged by installer. He said everything ran fine but exhaust was bottleneck. He has over 2 decades of experience on merceded and bmw and does lots of aftermarket stuff. When all is said and done I did not find these to perform a lot better than factory turbos.
I'd pay money to see that log , my car is slow but I know the issue and it's easy to fix , I'm sure I can do 11.3 easy right now . So interesting how your car was running slower with good tune then mine with 5 degrees of timing and 11.2 AFR .
Not sure who Alex is, but as my user name should indicate, I have AMS so no EC or Weistec.
I define good business practice by what the customer says and not how I define a company. As a long time member like yourself, you should be commenting on the people who had bad experiences with tuners and step in their shoes, unless of course your affiliate with these tuners. I was updating what I was told by Weistec on the w4 because I was interested in the related output, price like this thread's OP and others have commented about the w4 package. I have no power when the w4 will be finally available, but this is what Weistec had said. If they don't deliver on the current delivery date, don't shoot the messager.
I do however agree with you taking deposits for something that is not even devolpe yet is to cover development and manufacturing costs is raisky for the buyer, but we are talking about smaller companies with less than desire working capital to work with.
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I'd pay money to see that log , my car is slow but I know the issue and it's easy to fix , I'm sure I can do 11.3 easy right now . So interesting how your car was running slower with good tune then mine with 5 degrees of timing and 11.2 AFR .
If there was something wrong with my tune then I would be an anomaly. Every W 3 Turbo upgrade e63 4matic I've seen has never has performed beyond the expected level of stock turbos. You can imagine the profound disappointment after spending all that money. If there is any customer out there with W3 turbos who is putting down good numbers I invite them to say something.
The other question I pose is why is it that I have to upgrade my weistec turbos with powerhaus? If it was upgraded to begin with how do you upgrade it again? Why go through this whole procedure all over again taking out the turbos shipping it out to someone and having them upgrade it. Paid twice to do the exact same thing.
It's because weistec W3 turbo has a compressor wheel upgrade whereas powerhaus, AMS, Renntech, Kleemann etc upgrade compressor wheel and the turbine side as well.
I didnt realize you copied and pasted the info, I thought you were the author amsamge63. Without a "see below" I thought you were just introducing yourself. I apologize, it just seems sometimes people don't know how to resolve things without running to the forum like little kids telling the teacher constantly.
I agree people need to be informed, but also have some street smarts and not believe everything they are told. Proof and time slips by a few customers and not 1 off setups. A few years back Renntech had a Cl65 run a 10.2 at 137mph, no other renntech setup ever came close on any other CL,SL or S class, to date. That's with over 10yrs of 65 production. Good luck to all.
If there was something wrong with my tune then I would be an anomaly. Every W 3 Turbo upgrade e63 4matic I've seen has never has performed beyond the expected level of stock turbos. You can imagine the profound disappointment after spending all that money. If there is any customer out there with W3 turbos who is putting down good numbers I invite them to say something.
Let's get it clear , I'm not defending them or anything and my car not done yet . but I don't get how w3 kit can run 11.4 . what truck was it ? Colorado ?
I'll explain .
After I got my stage 1 done , nothing else , drop in filters , stock exhaust .
402м = 1/4 mile
202m = 1/8 mile
So 1/4 in 10.9 sec , I said to good to be truth , but the only track I have is 1/8 mile .
Taking the car down there and getting
so the time from Vbox and time slip showing the same time . 1/8 in t7.2 seconds
it's not the first time , I've tested the Vbox a lot , speed is different , time is the same .
any way , my st1 went 10.9 , how your W3 did 11.4 ?! after w3 the car picked 1 mph , but in the log I see another 100 horse easy or even more soon I'll see 7.0 104 mph or so , 1/4 mile 10.7 or so .
Wasn't planning post all that now , When I'll get the car running right I'll share results in separate thread
It's because weistec W3 turbo has a compressor wheel upgrade whereas powerhaus, AMS, Renntech, Kleemann etc upgrade compressor wheel and the turbine side as well.
this is what i have seen as well ... the W3 bottlenecks the turbo by not upsizing and matching the turbine ( exhaust) wheel... the wheel ratios get out of whack and you get Compressor surge(lumpy power delivery) , slower boost response, high back pressure stifling peak power...The larger compressor needs less shaft speed to compressor airflow, but the smaller turbine wheel will spin at a much higher rpm level than is what is necessary. The result is crossing over the choke or surge line on the compressor map
the turbine side had the greatest effect on speed of spool. Now there's a balance trade off when you start messing with the wheel ratios though, and basically what the compressor sends thru the intake ultimately determines how fast the turbine is pushed... conversely, the turbine must get to speed to increase the exhaust pressure. Get too far out of whack with either side and spool time is usually decreased to a degree. (this is one reason why the W3 is slower than stock turbo cars in 1/4 )
Too large of a compressor on too small of a turbine will melt thrust plates and cause more load on the journal bearings than normal. This is because the smaller turbine turns faster and will often spin a certain compressor wheel faster than it's designed to be used, resulting in extreme thrust loads.
Not sure who Alex is, but as my user name should indicate, I have AMS so no EC or Weistec.
I define good business practice by what the customer says and not how I define a company. As a long time member like yourself, you should be commenting on the people who had bad experiences with tuners and step in their shoes, unless of course your affiliate with these tuners. I was updating what I was told by Weistec on the w4 because I was interested in the related output, price like this thread's OP and others have commented about the w4 package. I have no power when the w4 will be finally available, but this is what Weistec had said. If they don't deliver on the current delivery date, don't shoot the messager.
I do however agree with you taking deposits for something that is not even devolpe yet is to cover development and manufacturing costs is raisky for the buyer, but we are talking about smaller companies with less than desire working capital to work with.
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Originally Posted by Fairbird
Let's get it clear , I'm not defending them or anything and my car not done yet . but I don't get how w3 kit can run 11.4 . what truck was it ? Colorado ?
I'll explain .
After I got my stage 1 done , nothing else , drop in filters , stock exhaust .
402м = 1/4 mile
202m = 1/8 mile
So 1/4 in 10.9 sec , I said to good to be truth , but the only track I have is 1/8 mile .
Taking the car down there and getting
so the time from Vbox and time slip showing the same time . 1/8 in t7.2 seconds
it's not the first time , I've tested the Vbox a lot , speed is different , time is the same .
any way , my st1 went 10.9 , how your W3 did 11.4 ?! after w3 the car picked 1 mph , but in the log I see another 100 horse easy or even more soon I'll see 7.0 104 mph or so , 1/4 mile 10.7 or so .
Wasn't planning post all that now , When I'll get the car running right I'll share results in separate thread
I have a factory exhaust too. I've seen full W3 turbo cars losing to the exhaust and tune e63s in the 1/2 Mile, ie Factory turbos. You shouldn't have to tune their set up on your own to get 100 more horsepower. That sounds crazy.
I got 7.4 at 97-98mph in the 1/8. With upgraded exhaust I would probably be getting similar to your stage 1 time. Which goes back to what I said originally that I don't believe these turbos offer a significant performance increase if any at all over factory turbos. So it's hard for me not to feel ripped off
I have a factory exhaust too. I've seen full W3 turbo cars losing to the exhaust and tune e63s in the 1/2 Mile, ie Factory turbos. You shouldn't have to tune their set up on your own to get 100 more horsepower. That sounds crazy.
I got 7.4 at 97-98mph in the 1/8. With upgraded exhaust I would probably be getting similar to your stage 1 time. Which goes back to what I said originally that I don't believe these turbos offer a significant performance increase if any at all
I'm not fixing their tune , I found the problem , pointed out to them , they fixing it . on W3 kit I got 7.3-7.4 101.xx mph when under power at 100 F weather , I'll pick few more miles for sure , so I'm not sure what was wrong with your car . but definitely something was wrong . BTW 2500 ft Elevation
bottom line your car tuned slower then mine not tuned well in horrible conditions
Not sure who Alex is, but as my user name should indicate, I have AMS so no EC or Weistec.
I define good business practice by what the customer says and not how I define a company. As a long time member like yourself, you should be commenting on the people who had bad experiences with tuners and step in their shoes, unless of course your affiliate with these tuners. I was updating what I was told by Weistec on the w4 because I was interested in the related output, price like this thread's OP and others have commented about the w4 package. I have no power when the w4 will be finally available, but this is what Weistec had said. If they don't deliver on the current delivery date, don't shoot the messager.
I do however agree with you taking deposits for something that is not even devolpe yet is to cover development and manufacturing costs is raisky for the buyer, but we are talking about smaller companies with less than desire working capital to work with.
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Originally Posted by Fairbird
I'm not fixing their tune , I found the problem , pointed out to them , they fixing it . on W3 kit I got 7.3-7.4 101.xx mph when under power at 100 F weather , I'll pick few more miles for sure , so I'm not sure what was wrong with your car . but definitely something was wrong . BTW 2500 ft Elevation
bottom line your car tuned slower then mine not tuned well in horrible conditions
Im a little over 2100 elevation. Zach thought my quarter-mile Track Performance was very impressive.
after turbo upgrade I wouldn't think so , I wasn't happy with my results at all even with bad weather condition , this is how I got to the logging , I know how to read logs , I found few issues , I contacted weistec , tech department very helpful btw , the agreed to what I found , they putting new file for me based on logs , and this is totally fine with every tuner , this is why dyno tuning always better . So my new file with second ECU should be here some time next week , from what I saw somewhere between 100 to 140 hp we should add on the top of 7.39/101 , 100 hp should shave well the time . I still think your w3 wasn't running right .
after turbo upgrade I wouldn't think so , I wasn't happy with my results at all even with bad weather condition , this is how I got to the logging , I know how to read logs , I found few issues , I contacted weistec , tech department very helpful btw , the agreed to what I found , they putting new file for me based on logs , and this is totally fine with every tuner , this is why dyno tuning always better . So my new file with second ECU should be here some time next week , from what I saw somewhere between 100 to 140 hp we should add on the top of 7.39/101 , 100 hp should shave well the time . I still think your w3 wasn't running right .
But do you know of one that is running right?
Even their shop car wasn't running right in the old renntech races on 2 occasions...
I dunno, I'd go w.4 or AMS based on the research I've done, and even then I don't feel the w.4 is proven enough at this point, it's brand new!
I'm sorry
Not a lot of alpha results either . 1-2 videos all I found . The original plan was w4 , the wait is to long , and since I blew my transmission and the car was down I put w3 .
Not a lot of alpha results either . 1-2 videos all I found . The original plan was w4 , the wait is to long , and since I blew my transmission and the car was down I put w3 .
did you go weistec to upgrade your tranny? I'm kinda surprised you were able to blow one up, or was it defective from the factory?
did you go weistec to upgrade your tranny? I'm kinda surprised you were able to blow one up, or was it defective from the factory?
Yes I did weistec bulletproof upgrade . Seems like it holds up together fine . Original tranny I'm pretty sure was defective from factory , I snapped rear main shaft on second launch at the strip
Let's get it clear , I'm not defending them or anything and my car not done yet . but I don't get how w3 kit can run 11.4 . what truck was it ? Colorado ?
I'll explain .
After I got my stage 1 done , nothing else , drop in filters , stock exhaust .
402м = 1/4 mile
202m = 1/8 mile
So 1/4 in 10.9 sec , I said to good to be truth , but the only track I have is 1/8 mile .
Taking the car down there and getting
so the time from Vbox and time slip showing the same time . 1/8 in t7.2 seconds
it's not the first time , I've tested the Vbox a lot , speed is different , time is the same .
any way , my st1 went 10.9 , how your W3 did 11.4 ?! after w3 the car picked 1 mph , but in the log I see another 100 horse easy or even more soon I'll see 7.0 104 mph or so , 1/4 mile 10.7 or so .
Wasn't planning post all that now , When I'll get the car running right I'll share results in separate thread
My 2015 E63 S with the Renntech full tune and Renntech sport mufflers (all else stock) ran 11.1 at 127.56 mph at Atco. I have posted the slip in a prior post here.
My 2015 E63 S with the Renntech full tune and Renntech sport mufflers (all else stock) ran 11.1 at 127.56 mph at Atco. I have posted the slip in a prior post here.
The results above tune only at elevation way higher then atco . Tune and filters that's all
My 2015 E63 S with the Renntech full tune and Renntech sport mufflers (all else stock) ran 11.1 at 127.56 mph at Atco. I have posted the slip in a prior post here.
My 2015 E63 S with the Renntech full tune and Renntech sport mufflers (all else stock) ran 11.1 at 127.56 mph at Atco. I have posted the slip in a prior post here.
Seems the W3 turbos actually are slower than stock turbos in quarter. It's not what I had in mind when I bought them
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