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Old Dec 27, 2016 | 06:59 PM
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The one thing I hate about leaving M for AMG, the lack of after market. We have turbo upgrades available, why is it a stage 1 pure M car traps so much better? DCT?

Also you'd think these tuners had a "German connect" to be on top of the latest ECU/TCU tuning for these cars, TCU tune and torque limit removal would do the M157 wonders!
it probably traps higher because of our torque limits. If they can get around it then probably st1 to st1 upgraded turbos e63 would be higher

from what I know the M doesn't have torque limits like we have.

for now we need more mods done to match the M

Hopefully the tuners figure it out before they abandon the m157
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Old Dec 27, 2016 | 07:01 PM
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for TCU tune/ trq limit increase i heard back from tunerwerks above.. here is what they said:
TCU tuning module increases shifting times up to 50% and torque up to 20%.
Attached is photo of TCU tuning module for MCT transmission.
You simply plug into OBD2 port and it will start flashing the TCU.
Once it's complete, you simply unplug the module and store it.
Price is $1,699.


on their site there is really no info on it and no results so caveat emptor... i havent heard of anyone being able to flash our cars tcu via obd port, so pretty skeptical



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Old Dec 27, 2016 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by gaspam
for TCU tune/ trq limit increase i heard back from tunerwerks above.. here is what they said:
TCU tuning module increases shifting times up to 50% and torque up to 20%.
Attached is photo of TCU tuning module for MCT transmission.
You simply plug into OBD2 port and it will start flashing the TCU.
Once it's complete, you simply unplug the module and store it.
Price is $1,699.


on their site there is really no info on it and no results so caveat emptor... i havent heard of anyone being able to flash our cars tcu via obd port, so pretty skeptical



i emailed them as well, $1700 to be a test dummy I don't know about that, $1000 was my Limit on that. Tempting though!
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Old Dec 27, 2016 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by M-Theory
The one thing I hate about leaving M for AMG, the lack of after market...
After 3, this may be my last AMG for this very reason. And it's not the aftermarket's fault. It's my effing car, if I want to tune the **** out of it, who is MB to tell me no!

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Old Dec 27, 2016 | 07:39 PM
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It doesn't sound right. I never heard of these guys either
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Old Dec 27, 2016 | 07:57 PM
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If it was reasonable and safe to do why hasn't renntech or ams cracked the tcu?
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Old Dec 27, 2016 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
If it was reasonable and safe to do why hasn't renntech or ams cracked the tcu?
I cannot speak for AMS but I can say with certainty that there is a very very good reason Renntech does not flash the TCU and it's not cos they cannot.
There are parameters under which Renntech can modify the ecu and still maintain factory warranty. If you get retuned for a off road downpipe with Renntech, you do not actually get a new tune, just the O2sensor light turned off (you still will not pass emission testing since it says "not ready" at least here in TX).
MB will void any engine or turbo related warranty Renntech or not tune if there is any modification to the emission system (AKA any part of exhaust before the mufflers according to the AMG regional who was at the dealership).

Basically, Renntech is very restricted on just what they can do and maintain factory warranty coverage and modifying the torque controls on the TCU is not covered so don't expect them to bother with it
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Old Dec 27, 2016 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by M-Theory
i emailed them as well, $1700 to be a test dummy I don't know about that, $1000 was my Limit on that. Tempting though!
to me, it smells too much like snake oil, but would be cool if it actually worked
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Old Dec 28, 2016 | 10:29 AM
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TCU can be tuned by OBD2 to remove TQ limitations.


you have to know the right people to do it.
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Old Dec 28, 2016 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gaspam
for TCU tune/ trq limit increase i heard back from tunerwerks above.. here is what they said:
TCU tuning module increases shifting times up to 50% and torque up to 20%.
Attached is photo of TCU tuning module for MCT transmission.
You simply plug into OBD2 port and it will start flashing the TCU.
Once it's complete, you simply unplug the module and store it.
Price is $1,699.


on their site there is really no info on it and no results so caveat emptor... i havent heard of anyone being able to flash our cars tcu via obd port, so pretty skeptical



I was informed by them that I'd need their ECU tune at $3000 to even get their TCU tune at $1700.

Grand total of $4700 for a company we've never even heard of, let alone they have no proof in their products.
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Old Dec 28, 2016 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by M-Theory
I was informed by them that I'd need their ECU tune at $3000 to even get their TCU tune at $1700.

Grand total of $4700 for a company we've never even heard of, let alone they have no proof in their products.
yeah their information seems pretty inconsistent as I told them I had a Renntech tune and they told me that it doesn't affect my ECU tune and all I need to do is pay the 1700 for their module and plug it into my OBD port and my tcu would be tuned
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Old Dec 28, 2016 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Ali_E55
TCU can be tuned by OBD2 to remove TQ limitations.


you have to know the right people to do it.
which tuners besides the guys mentioned above will do this in the US/Canada?
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Old Dec 28, 2016 | 03:15 PM
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This is a big jump... from tuners not being able to tune the TCU to being able to do it via the OBD2 port!!

If this works then it seems worthwhile, particularly as there is no removing the TCU and shipping it away.
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Old Dec 28, 2016 | 05:28 PM
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Dealers flash TCU updates (similar method a tune will use) via OBD all the time. I read of a guy from Germany connecting his laptop to a E63 and flashing the TCU via OBD. Basically the way to tune the TCU will most likely be via OBD hence the units complicated location in this car. Just gotta know the encryption keys to do so
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Old Dec 28, 2016 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by kponti
Dealers flash TCU updates (similar method a tune will use) via OBD all the time. I read of a guy from Germany connecting his laptop to a E63 and flashing the TCU via OBD. Basically the way to tune the TCU will most likely be via OBD hence the units complicated location in this car. Just gotta know the encryption keys to do so
didnt think of that, does make sense.

i asked why their tune cost $3,000 not being a smart azz, just honest curiosity. This is the response.

"Main difference is that we don't buy files.
All of our tuning files and modules are researched & developed at our head office in Germany.

Regards"
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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 12:11 PM
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I never knew that other tuners just "buy files" and rebrand them. Is this actually true what these guys are saying?!
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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
After 3, this may be my last AMG for this very reason. And it's not the aftermarket's fault. It's my effing car, if I want to tune the **** out of it, who is MB to tell me no!
aftermarket fault , I still have AMG , but my last one , new toy to play with .
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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 12:23 PM
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I heard the newer AMGs now might be made even more difficult for software tuners than the current models to crack. they need to get around this one before moving to the next
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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 12:23 PM
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which tuners besides the guys mentioned above will do this in the US/Canada?
probably none anybody knows of at least...
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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BLKE63
probably none anybody knows of at least...
It was mentioned above that apparently guys like renntech and others actually do know how to but they wont do it because it will void warranty and they don't want to deal with fixing broken up transmissions/parts.
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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Fairbird
aftermarket fault , I still have AMG , but my last one , new toy to play with .
I agree, you've had some bad luck. Many people have when it comes to aftermarket on this platform but it's still MBs fault more than any for preventing access to full tuning.

Yeah, I saw your updated signature, congrats. I bet it's an awesome toy...but at the end of the day it's just that, a toy. Not something someone used to quality would want to spend any amount of time in as a daily. Those interiors are just awful.
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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
I agree, you've had some bad luck. Many people have when it comes to aftermarket on this platform but it's still MBs fault more than any for preventing access to full tuning.

Yeah, I saw your updated signature, congrats. I bet it's an awesome toy...but at the end of the day it's just that, a toy. Not something someone used to quality would want to spend any amount of time in as a daily. Those interiors are just awful.
I had no issues with tuning , hardware 3 times big buck lost , some came back .
I'll daily it I don't care , even in the winter . I daily my 911 2 years , not the best daily at all .
Interior definitely can be better , but over all could be worse , nothing to compare with MB interior , but aftermarket , feel , pricing is unbeatable.
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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 04:22 PM
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I had no issues with tuning , hardware 3 times big buck lost , some came back .
I'll daily it I don't care , even in the winter . I daily my 911 2 years , not the best daily at all .
Interior definitely can be better , but over all could be worse , nothing to compare with MB interior , but aftermarket , feel , pricing is unbeatable.
You're definitely right on price and performance. My eye kept wondering over to Cadillac for the same reasons but their new prices still haven't brought their interior quality up to where I'd like it.
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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 09:28 PM
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You're definitely right on price and performance. My eye kept wondering over to Cadillac for the same reasons but their new prices still haven't brought their interior quality up to where I'd like it.
I did too , but I like hemi more , 100k for ctsv lol ok
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Old Dec 31, 2016 | 12:24 AM
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I did too , but I like hemi more , 100k for ctsv lol ok
Exactly! Keep us updated on the Mopar.
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