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Old Feb 13, 2017 | 02:45 PM
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Old Feb 13, 2017 | 02:58 PM
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RS6 hands down. It's crazy how fast the RS7 gets off the line, 8 speed ZF is awesome. If only our cars weren't so crappy to launch...
But admit, once past the crappy launch it pulls quite hard at speed.
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Old Feb 13, 2017 | 03:05 PM
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actually our cars pull hardest down low with our little, low boost/ quick spooling turbos (19/20 psi tuned) geared towards low end grunt... rs7/ m5 pull harder up top because of higher boost turbos (30 psi tuned)
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Old Feb 13, 2017 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gaspam
actually our cars pull hardest down low with our little, low boost/ quick spooling turbos (19/20 psi tuned) geared towards low end grunt... rs7/ m5 pull harder up top because of higher boost turbos (30 psi tuned)
Yea, i meant like from a lower speed roll, as opposed to a complete stop situation.

you did say in some threads here in the past how the e63 is faster on top end, and highway pulls and all as long as it's not from a launch. I guess now with new tunes coming out this has all changed these days.

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Old Feb 13, 2017 | 04:07 PM
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e63 faster in the top end when not on race gas was what i said, but with tune on audi you can run different files for different fuels so you never know what they are running...

also, it does appear the tunes on the 4.0TT are getting faster (s8 are supposedly trapping 130 now) so they might even be faster on pump gas too now... only way to find out is find one and race it

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Old Feb 13, 2017 | 04:20 PM
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Yeah. id love to see a pump gas/tune race between these two beasts from a highway roll. I say it should be fairly close regardless of who wins in this type of race.
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Old Feb 13, 2017 | 09:13 PM
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My Buddy has an Audi and the only thing killing it for me is there not mod friendly at the dealer, he has a 2016 S3 APR tune , he told me when he brings it into the dealer he has to telll them (don't hook me up) to to obd2 port , They warned him already when he bought the car about mods,if he has a tune the computer knows and will automatically send it to Audi corporate and flag the vin and lose his drivetrain warranty, That means the vin is flagged for the life of the car and if he wants to sell it will be without warranty
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Old Feb 13, 2017 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 10speed
My Buddy has an Audi and the only thing killing it for me is there not mod friendly at the dealer, he has a 2016 S3 APR tune , he told me when he brings it into the dealer he has to telll them (don't hook me up) to to obd2 port , They warned him already when he bought the car about mods,if he has a tune the computer knows and will automatically send it to Audi corporate and flag the vin and lose his drivetrain warranty, That means the vin is flagged for the life of the car and if he wants to sell it will be without warranty
I heard BMW is doing the same thing now.

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1331006
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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 01:47 AM
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My Buddy has an Audi and the only thing killing it for me is there not mod friendly at the dealer, he has a 2016 S3 APR tune , he told me when he brings it into the dealer he has to telll them (don't hook me up) to to obd2 port , They warned him already when he bought the car about mods,if he has a tune the computer knows and will automatically send it to Audi corporate and flag the vin and lose his drivetrain warranty, That means the vin is flagged for the life of the car and if he wants to sell it will be without warranty

both mercedes and BMW do this too... they find out you have a tune (very easy) and you have engine problem = your problem

gotta pay to play
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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 04:02 AM
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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 04:16 AM
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There are some nice options the Benz has over Audi... I kind of miss the dynamic seats, rear power sunshade, and brake hold functionality. Cooled seats I never cared for nor did I really use since my car is pretty much always parked in the garage. Similarly, the Audi has some options that, once you get accustomed to them, may be hard to switch back... such as the heads-up display, ability to customize your own driving mode (I believe the W213 will have this though), sports exhaust with the cracks and pops, rear-folding seats (that ugly rear of the RS7 being a hatch has this perk!).

And while we're on the topic... :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2JeTRNlg8g
that video

wow wow... that exhaust reminds me of the amg with downpipes and mufflers
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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gaspam
both mercedes and BMW do this too... they find out you have a tune (very easy) and you have engine problem = your problem

gotta pay to play
This is not true with my dealer , they do the mods for you from Renntech and yes you keep your warranty,They actually have a Renntech rep at the dealer, as long if it's just the stuff they did and know about your good to go.
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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
that video

wow wow... that exhaust reminds me of the amg with downpipes and mufflers
i always found the RS7 and e63 to sound very similar. If I didn't see which one drove by I think I can easily mix them up lol
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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 05:20 PM
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This is not true with my dealer , they do the mods for you from Renntech and yes you keep your warranty,They actually have a Renntech rep at the dealer, as long if it's just the stuff they did and know about your good to go.
There are independent dealers/service managers that are mod friendly but if it gets back to MBUSA all bets are off...
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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TMC M5
I heard BMW is doing the same thing now.

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1331006
Yeah my friend has a BMW 328 with a I think a jb1 plug and play tune , I roll raced him with a loaner c300 , I pulled on him for 2 seconds then he just walked away no problem , Anyway he has a AWD malfunction but seems to not affect the car but brought it in for service , the next day he got a phone call from the mechanic of the dealer and told him he can't work on the car because it was modified , I guess he was cool enough not to go any further than that, So he picked the car up untouched, Not sure what he did yet but I'm sure he will have to remove the Jb1 to get it fixed.
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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Amg63-
i always found the RS7 and e63 to sound very similar. If I didn't see which one drove by I think I can easily mix them up lol
I agree they're similar but I think the RS sounds better and more aggressive in all aspects, revs, accel, decel, upshifts, downshifts...it's just not fair that our big motor is getting whooped up by this little guy.
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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
There are independent dealers/service managers that are mod friendly but if it gets back to MBUSA all bets are off...
Yeah I understand what your saying now,I guess it is up to the dealer to say anything and decide your fate , guess we just have to find the right dealer
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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
I agree they're similar but I think the RS sounds better and more aggressive in all aspects, revs, accel, decel, upshifts, downshifts...it's just not fair that our big motor is getting whooped up by this little guy.

nooo man I think with catless DP setup our 5.5 still is the best sounding of the bunch with RS7 a very close second. Just my opinion!
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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 05:47 PM
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This is not true with my dealer , they do the mods for you from Renntech and yes you keep your warranty,They actually have a Renntech rep at the dealer, as long if it's just the stuff they did and know about your good to go.
so does my dealer, and yes they will not deny your warranty if your radio fails or you sunroof breaks.... my dealer is a renntech dealer as well and they flat out said all of my warranty remains intact for all non-driveline components , but if my engine/trans blows it will not be covered since its renntech tuned

and like chiro said, if MBUSA knows you're tuned (which most likely they do) then they will not reimburse your dealer for warranty work like blown engine/trans and dealer would have to honor your warranty out of pocket if they want, and pretty much no dealer is going to pay out of pocket for blown motor/trans

seen it happen before on other renntech cars at "mod friendly" dealerships.... you blow your engine/trans you are on your own

I take the risk because im pretty confident tune on stock turbos isnt going to blow my motor and 99% of the electronic things that are going to break will still be covered under warranty since they are not powertrain related like my distronic and pano sunroof
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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 05:55 PM
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Old Feb 14, 2017 | 06:27 PM
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so does my dealer, and yes they will not deny your warranty if your radio fails or you sunroof breaks.... my dealer is a renntech dealer as well and they flat out said all of my warranty remains intact for all non-driveline components , but if my engine/trans blows it will not be covered since its renntech tuned

and like chiro said, if MBUSA knows you're tuned (which most likely they do) then they will not reimburse your dealer


for warranty work like blown engine/trans and dealer would have to honor your warranty out of pocket if they want, and pretty much no dealer is going to pay out of pocket for blown motor/trans

seen it happen before on other renntech cars at "mod friendly" dealerships.... you blow your engine/trans you are on your own

I take the risk because im pretty confident tune on stock turbos isnt going to blow my motor and 99% of the electronic things that are going to break will still be covered under warranty since they are not powertrain related like my distronic and pano sunroof
When I spoke to my dealer they flat out told me they will cover everything even in the event of something catastrophic like drivetrain warranty, They told me if I send the computer out to Renntech myself they won't honor my warranty but if they send it out to Renntech themselves they will honor the warranty ,
Now to be fair I did ask if the tune ever caused problems he said only once it was an older car all he had to do is send it back to Renntech for a fix , where talking hundreds of cars on the tune never problems , Everytime I go for service or car wash I talk to him and has either just finished or sending another tune out , last time I was there he did a GLE 550 ,
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i always found the RS7 and e63 to sound very similar. If I didn't see which one drove by I think I can easily mix them up lol
yes agreed lol!!!
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