I need more snap, crackle, pop
04-16-2019, 01:55 PM
#26
You're drawing a comparison where there is none. Burble tunes take popping to an extreme. I could make my old WRX blow a pop and throw fireballs at will on a previous tune. Mufflerless cars tent to pop more, even from the factory (look at old SRT-4s). But burble tunes are just obnoxious and tacky. Which is where I was going with my previous comment: it's just something I'd expect to see on a ratty car.
04-16-2019, 02:18 PM
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Theres definitely varying levels of burbles and pops. A burble tune can be set to extreme/aggressive that might be obnoxious but not everybody is putting it to the highest setting. Burble tunes just add burbles to cars that otherwise would not have it. People do it all the time on high performance cars, which is where I see it the most. Nowadays manufactures are including it stock eliminating the need for a "burble tune" so it is obviously for the most part desirable and you thinking its obnoxious or tacky would probably be the minority
but for all car buyers in general most do not prefer burbles ...
04-16-2019, 02:29 PM
#28
Yes. thats true. Most car buyers prefer 0 sound at all coming from exhaust. I was talking about the customer base for their performance cars, there had to be a pretty big demographic for multiple companies to start adding it to their cars with performance exhausts. Its a funny joke but lets be real, you're way more likely to see it on an high performance car than a honda. Which is probably why hondas would do it, to try to sound like one of these, not an M or amg trying to sound like a honda... but maybe thats just in my area
04-16-2019, 07:24 PM
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Me personally, i dont want it to sound like the 4th of july everytime i let off the gas, or every time i downshift, that will obviously get obnoxious very soon to most people at least. That’s not what i’m looking for. I want something thats more in between, where i’ll crackle and pop at “more appropriate” times (if that makes sense) not just those lame nissan gtr videos you see all over instagram that look like they just added a flamethrower to the end of the exhaust coupled with a m240 saw light machine gun.
04-17-2019, 02:43 AM
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I drove a .... 2018 bmw x2 M 3.0.... couldn't not figure what the hell it was called ... and it burbled and popped and it was so annoying ... no thanks
really wish I could have S++ that gave me all the noises on demand
really wish I could have S++ that gave me all the noises on demand
04-17-2019, 11:51 PM
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Me personally, i dont want it to sound like the 4th of july everytime i let off the gas, or every time i downshift, that will obviously get obnoxious very soon to most people at least. That’s not what i’m looking for. I want something thats more in between, where i’ll crackle and pop at “more appropriate” times (if that makes sense) not just those lame nissan gtr videos you see all over instagram that look like they just added a flamethrower to the end of the exhaust coupled with a m240 saw light machine gun.
04-21-2019, 05:56 PM
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04-21-2019, 06:47 PM
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Me personally, i dont want it to sound like the 4th of july everytime i let off the gas, or every time i downshift, that will obviously get obnoxious very soon to most people at least. That’s not what i’m looking for. I want something thats more in between, where i’ll crackle and pop at “more appropriate” times (if that makes sense) not just those lame nissan gtr videos you see all over instagram that look like they just added a flamethrower to the end of the exhaust coupled with a m240 saw light machine gun.
It would pop and bang when lifting off the throttle, and would shoot flames on deceleration.
After being driven hard it would become even more pronounced.
Fun when I was younger, now it is going on its 4th year of being parked at a friend's garage.
04-22-2019, 01:51 AM
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I'd have to say that's certainly not my experience. Burble tunes will earn your snickers and jeers basically everyone I personally know in various car scenes and at local meets. I went to Cars and Coffee just today and heard a burble tuned BMW 1 series get mocked by strangers as it drove off.
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04-22-2019, 10:52 AM
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yeah, my bro-in-law just got his BMW M3 tuned with this burble tune with stock exhaust and IMO, it does not sound good to me. I don't think I can hear that all day while driving the car. Especially, I live in California where the police and highway patrols has no problem issuing tickets for these loud exhaust. just beginning of this year, they just passed a new law for non-factory or loud exhausts. the fine is $1,000 then you will have to swap back to stock, go to local police station to have the ticket sign off by the police, then pay another $10.00 court fee to file the paper works that your car is FIXED.
04-22-2019, 02:54 PM
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yeah, my bro-in-law just got his BMW M3 tuned with this burble tune with stock exhaust and IMO, it does not sound good to me. I don't think I can hear that all day while driving the car. Especially, I live in California where the police and highway patrols has no problem issuing tickets for these loud exhaust. just beginning of this year, they just passed a new law for non-factory or loud exhausts. the fine is $1,000 then you will have to swap back to stock, go to local police station to have the ticket sign off by the police, then pay another $10.00 court fee to file the paper works that your car is FIXED.
04-23-2019, 01:56 PM
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yeah, my bro-in-law just got his BMW M3 tuned with this burble tune with stock exhaust and IMO, it does not sound good to me. I don't think I can hear that all day while driving the car. Especially, I live in California where the police and highway patrols has no problem issuing tickets for these loud exhaust. just beginning of this year, they just passed a new law for non-factory or loud exhausts. the fine is $1,000 then you will have to swap back to stock, go to local police station to have the ticket sign off by the police, then pay another $10.00 court fee to file the paper works that your car is FIXED.
Here is some more info about this new law:
Fact vs. Fiction: Explaining California’s New Exhaust Noise Law
By SEMA Washington, D.C., Staff
Beginning January 1, 2019, a motorist cited for violating the current California exhaust noise law can receive an immediate fine. Previously, motorists received what is known as a “fix-it” ticket, which allowed for 30 days to correct the violation.The Issue
California Assembly Bill (A.B.) 1824 was signed into law by then-Governor Jerry Brown in June of 2018 as part of the state’s budget process. The legislation amended how California law enforcement officials may issue a citation for exhaust noise violations.
The bill has generated significant concern within the industry and enthusiast community, along with some misinformation. This document seeks to clarify the matter. Most notably, enactment of A.B. 1824 did not change existing laws pertaining to exhaust noise or the sale and installation of aftermarket exhaust systems in California. Here are the facts.
Were California’s exhaust noise rules changed?
No. Since 2003, exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer’s gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, may not exceed a sound level of 95-decibels when tested under Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) test procedure J1169 (May 1998). This was not changed by A.B. 1824
Is it now illegal to install an aftermarket exhaust system on my vehicle?
No. The sale and installation of an aftermarket exhaust system remains legal in California so long as it does not exceed a sound level of 95-decibels when tested under SAE J1169 and complies with all other exhaust and safety laws and regulations.
If exhaust noise laws didn’t change, what did?
Beginning January 1, 2019, a motorist cited for violating the current California exhaust noise law can receive an immediate fine. Previously, motorists received what is known as a “fix-it” ticket, which allowed for 30-days to correct the violation.
What are my options if I get a ticket?
Consumers in receipt of a ticket still have the option of seeking a certificate of compliance from the California Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) demonstrating that their exhaust emits no more than 95-decibels. This SEMA-sponsored program allows courts to dismiss citations for exhaust systems that have been tested and for which a certificate of compliance has been issued. BAR does not currently issue preemptive certificates of compliance.
If I get pulled over, will I receive a $1,000 fine?
According to the Judicial Council of California’s Uniform Bail and Penalty Schedules for 2019, the suggested base fine/fee for a first conviction is $25 with a total fee of $193.
I’ve still got questions?
Please contact Christian Robinson, SEMA’s Director of State Government Affairs & SEMA PAC, at stateleg@sema.org.
Resources
BAR Certificate of Compliance
2003 California 95-Decibel Law
Fact vs. Fiction
Below is information from California Bureau of Automotive Repair:
Vehicle Exhaust Noise Level Certification
California law requires that all vehicles must be equipped with an adequate muffler to prevent excessive noise from the exhaust system. It also prohibits the operation of a passenger vehicle (other than a motorcycle), or a truck with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of less than 6,000 pounds, that has an exhaust noise level greater than 95 decibels, when tested under specified conditions.
If you have been issued a citation for operating a vehicle in violation of Vehicle Code Section 27150 or 27151, you must take your vehicle to a state Referee Center.
Note: The Referee is only authorized to inspect and certify passenger cars and trucks under 6,000 GVWR that have been cited for a violation of Section 27150 or 27151 of the Vehicle Code. The maximum decibel level applies only to those vehicles. Citations issued to other vehicles (motorcycles, trucks exceeding 5999 pounds GVWR) are not part of this program. Check with the agency that issued the citation, and/or the court, to find out how to show proof of correction for these other vehicles.
The following steps outline the procedures you'll need to follow to get a certificate of compliance, which shows your vehicle's exhaust noise level is within the applicable standards.
Step 1: If you feel your vehicle's exhaust system has been modified or has deteriorated so that the noise level exceeds current standards, you should have the exhaust system repaired before proceeding to step 2.
OR
If you have reason to believe that your vehicle's exhaust noise level meets the current standards, proceed directly to step 2.
NOTE: Citations have a court appearance date. Timely action can help you avoid additional fines and penalties.
Step 2: Have your vehicle tested at a state Referee Center. To make an appointment, call the Referee Scheduling Center at (800) 622-7733. Have the citation and vehicle registration with you when you call. The Center will tell you any fees that will need to be paid for the test.
Step 3: The Referee will conduct an exhaust noise level test in accordance with the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) standard J1169, May 1998, to determine if your vehicle's exhaust noise level exceeds the noise standard (95db).
If your vehicle meets the standard, the Referee will give you a "Certificate of Compliance." Take the certificate to the court (See Step 5).
If your vehicle does not meet the standard, the Referee will give you a report that lists the recorded decibel readings. Your vehicle must be repaired to meet the standard of not more than 95 decibels (See Step 4).
Step 4: If your vehicle does not meet the standard, additional repairs must be made before you can make a second appointment with the Referee Scheduling Center.
Step 5: Once your vehicle receives a "Certificate of Compliance" from a Referee Center, present the certificate to the court as proof that your vehicle is in compliance with California law.
NOTE: Inspection fees and any necessary repairs are your responsibility. You may also be required to pay a fine and other legal costs when reporting to the court. Also, note that most citations have a deadline. Timely repairs can help you avoid additional fines and penalties.
If you have any questions, please contact the local law enforcement agency that issued the citation or the Bureau of Automotive Repair at (800) 952-5210.
Here is more information from SEMA:
CALIFORNIA EXHAUST NOISE TESTING PROGRAM OPEN FOR BUSINESS
The California Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) has begun operation of the state’s motor vehicle exhaust noise testing program. The program, the product of a SEMA-sponsored law, will equip California automobile hobbyists to fight unfair exhaust noise citations issued by state law enforcement officers. Motorists can now prove their vehicles comply with state noise standards. The law also allows courts to dismiss citations for exhaust systems that have been tested and for which a certificate of compliance has been issued.
Approximately 40 Smog Check stations that provide referee functions are performing the test. These referee stations, located across the state, will issue certificates of compliance for vehicles when tests of their exhaust systems demonstrate that they emit no more than 95 decibels, under Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) test procedure J1169 (May 1998). However, only those vehicles that have received a citation for an exhaust noise violation will be permitted to submit their vehicle for the test. Later this year, BAR will issue a regulation to provide for the cost to consumers for performing the test. Tests performed prior to the official establishment of the testing fee will be performed at no cost to consumers.
According to BAR officials, to have a cited vehicle tested at a state referee center, motorists must make an appointment by calling a toll-free number. Cited motorists should have the citation and vehicle registration available when calling.
"The new law forces compliance with an objectively measured standard in a fair and predictable test," said SEMA Senior Director of Government Affairs Steve McDonald. "Through this procedure, cited motorists who drive vehicles legally equipped with modified exhaust systems can confirm that those vehicles comply with California’s exhaust noise standards.
"For years, the enforcement policy used by police officers deemed nearly all exhaust system modifications illegal, even where the noise levels were not excessive or unusual," McDonald added. "That policy left exhaust system manufacturers, dealers and their customers without recourse."
Hobbyists who modify their vehicles for durability, appearance and performance "prefer aftermarket exhaust systems," McDonald said. "By establishing this evenhanded testing process, this program should serve to benefit consumers who favor these state-of-the-art products, the aftermarket industry which markets them, and even police officers who are charged with enforcing the law."
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04-24-2019, 03:09 AM
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As the title states, I'm after more of those wonderful, wonderful deceleration pops and gurgles. Currently, I have a res delete with straight pipes and the sound is great and I do get some nice pops...I just want more.
I've searched and scoured this website and YouTube for hours on end about different exhaust setups and their characteristics, but nothing really gave way to achieving those pops and gurgles. And most of the threads/videos are for c63s and w211s.
My only option is to do a second cat delete (can't afford headers) and I'm SO torn between deleting those with either straight pipe or xpipe. I'm worried that straights the whole way will give that sloppy old American v8 sound and possibly lose low end torque, and then xpipe would pretty much negate my straight res delete and smooth everything out.
All in all I'm torn on the decision and was hoping for some insight on setups that you guys run!
Ps..i have a m156
I've searched and scoured this website and YouTube for hours on end about different exhaust setups and their characteristics, but nothing really gave way to achieving those pops and gurgles. And most of the threads/videos are for c63s and w211s.
My only option is to do a second cat delete (can't afford headers) and I'm SO torn between deleting those with either straight pipe or xpipe. I'm worried that straights the whole way will give that sloppy old American v8 sound and possibly lose low end torque, and then xpipe would pretty much negate my straight res delete and smooth everything out.
All in all I'm torn on the decision and was hoping for some insight on setups that you guys run!
Ps..i have a m156
