Best tuners these days?
#1
Best tuners these days?
Ive been wanting to do a tune and midpipes on my car for awhile now but never pulled the trigger, I was really leaning towards Renntech but I not sure there worth it, Weistec really seems to be a better option , price , more available upgrades etc . The last one is a dyno tune but I’m not sure who to really trust , Plus I’m not really looking to max out the engine , just a nice safe and powerful tune . What are you guys using or who would you recommend Weistec or Renntech?
#2
Ive been wanting to do a tune and midpipes on my car for awhile now but never pulled the trigger, I was really leaning towards Renntech but I not sure there worth it, Weistec really seems to be a better option , price , more available upgrades etc . The last one is a dyno tune but I’m not sure who to really trust , Plus I’m not really looking to max out the engine , just a nice safe and powerful tune . What are you guys using or who would you recommend Weistec or Renntech?
No experience with Weistec or Renntech. Weistec had some in house issues at the time I was tuning so avoided them, and Renntech is overpriced for what you get.
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#3
Heard Weistec had issues in the past but I don’t think it was about their tunes. Renntech is great just expensive but can provide warranty. There’s always AMS which I’ve had when I use to own my Evo. You can never go wrong with them. I’m on a Speedriven tune and they build some great Mercedes. I’ve had mine almost a year with zero issues. Will be getting a retune next month for a more aggressive setting.
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#6
Stay away from eurocharged. They did my tune and after the third time I overnighted the ecu to them, at my expense, it finally started. Once it finally ran, it pinged bad. I am now using a custom dyno tune and haven't even bothered trying to get my money back. Lesson learned.... Another guy in my group had Eurocharged tune and it pinged, he sent it back for a "less aggressive tune" and it makes less power than stock. Then went to the same tuner I went to. Sorry to be so negative but wish in would have known all this when I started. Pm me and I can possibly help you get in contact with my tuner. He just tuned a 2018 E63 for New York
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2014 E63 Wagon
Stay away from eurocharged. They did my tune and after the third time I overnighted the ecu to them, at my expense, it finally started. Once it finally ran, it pinged bad. I am now using a custom dyno tune and haven't even bothered trying to get my money back. Lesson learned.... Another guy in my group had Eurocharged tune and it pinged, he sent it back for a "less aggressive tune" and it makes less power than stock. Then went to the same tuner I went to. Sorry to be so negative but wish in would have known all this when I started. Pm me and I can possibly help you get in contact with my tuner. He just tuned a 2018 E63 for New York
When I was looking at vendors my thinking was this:
Weistec - heard about issues so I passed
Renntech - seemed underpowered
AMS - probably legit but never goes on sale
Race Chip - felt too much like black magic/just turn up boost to max and let the ECU figure it out. scared me.
I've been happy with Eurocharged but I also didn't have an custom tuners locally that could hook it up to a dyno and read charts etc. so I was stuck with off the shelf. I also don't track etc. I just want more oomph when I hit it cruising around town. Good enough for me!
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2007 e350 sport. 2010 350 4matic sport. Worlds first W212 E63R self built.
Stay away from eurocharged. They did my tune and after the third time I overnighted the ecu to them, at my expense, it finally started. Once it finally ran, it pinged bad. I am now using a custom dyno tune and haven't even bothered trying to get my money back. Lesson learned.... Another guy in my group had Eurocharged tune and it pinged, he sent it back for a "less aggressive tune" and it makes less power than stock. Then went to the same tuner I went to. Sorry to be so negative but wish in would have known all this when I started. Pm me and I can possibly help you get in contact with my tuner. He just tuned a 2018 E63 for New York
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Tough question...but I'll drop some pennies here. Note: I've only the used the following tunes, and have no direct knowledge of any others, so keep that in mind. There may be equally great or better options out there. If safe and powerful is what you are looking for, there are probably many options. I would consider Renntech to be more on the safe side, having had two of their tunes on this car. If you want safe and powerful, I would say get the Eurocharged Stage 2 tune, and then if you want more top end, and have access to higher octane fuel, get a custom tune for, well, higher octane...top end is fun. If you want a safe and very powerful tune, and want a 1.6-1.7 60ft for racing/etc, and strong top end, go to Kevin Baldi.
#11
Tough question...but I'll drop some pennies here. Note: I've only the used the following tunes, and have no direct knowledge of any others, so keep that in mind. There may be equally great or better options out there. If safe and powerful is what you are looking for, there are probably many options. I would consider Renntech to be more on the safe side, having had two of their tunes on this car. If you want safe and powerful, I would say get the Eurocharged Stage 2 tune, and then if you want more top end, and have access to higher octane fuel, get a custom tune for, well, higher octane...top end is fun. If you want a safe and very powerful tune, and want a 1.6-1.7 60ft for racing/etc, and strong top end, go to Kevin Baldi.
#12
Yeah, it’s a tough question it’s very hard to get a direct answer of who and what to use , it’s so funny you said Kevin Baldi , someone gave me his number awhile ago that I met at a meet , maybe this is a sign, he is located in New Jersey, I might have to give him a call and pick his brain
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Cool deal; yeah, chat with him. After you do, hit me up and I can provide you with my experience, which is positive (love the performance and driveability). The car does behave differently with the aggressive map I have from him, versus the other tunes I tried. Pretty sure it's a torque mgmt thing, as this map actually gets tons of torque granted in first and second gears, whereas none of the other tunes I had would do so. If driving in a relaxed manner or at 100%, it feels flawless and super smooth, but with tons of power available. If somewhere in between, it's like the ecu is trying to decide whether or not to grant the torque request...is it an allowable value, or too high, etc? Hard to explain here, but happy to chat with you about it. edit: just have to learn how to drive it again....i don't swap ecus really anymore...i use the baldi tune 99% of the time.
Great feedback! Thank You!
#15
Cool deal; yeah, chat with him. After you do, hit me up and I can provide you with my experience, which is positive (love the performance and driveability). The car does behave differently with the aggressive map I have from him, versus the other tunes I tried. Pretty sure it's a torque mgmt thing, as this map actually gets tons of torque granted in first and second gears, whereas none of the other tunes I had would do so. If driving in a relaxed manner or at 100%, it feels flawless and super smooth, but with tons of power available. If somewhere in between, it's like the ecu is trying to decide whether or not to grant the torque request...is it an allowable value, or too high, etc? Hard to explain here, but happy to chat with you about it. edit: just have to learn how to drive it again....i don't swap ecus really anymore...i use the baldi tune 99% of the time.
#17
Im not really sure what’s happening or what you feel with torque management whats the problem ?
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#18
I've had 4 different AMGs tuned by Eurocharged...never a problem. Obviously an in person dyno tune will always win out, but for box tunes they are best value and service.
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Eurocharged has been one of the most consistently praised vendors on this forum with almost no history of issues and always quick to fix problems when they do occur. That outcome is pretty surprising to me especially needing to ship the ecu multiple times to even get an off the shelf tune working.
When I was looking at vendors my thinking was this:
Weistec - heard about issues so I passed
Renntech - seemed underpowered
AMS - probably legit but never goes on sale
Race Chip - felt too much like black magic/just turn up boost to max and let the ECU figure it out. scared me.
I've been happy with Eurocharged but I also didn't have an custom tuners locally that could hook it up to a dyno and read charts etc. so I was stuck with off the shelf. I also don't track etc. I just want more oomph when I hit it cruising around town. Good enough for me!
When I was looking at vendors my thinking was this:
Weistec - heard about issues so I passed
Renntech - seemed underpowered
AMS - probably legit but never goes on sale
Race Chip - felt too much like black magic/just turn up boost to max and let the ECU figure it out. scared me.
I've been happy with Eurocharged but I also didn't have an custom tuners locally that could hook it up to a dyno and read charts etc. so I was stuck with off the shelf. I also don't track etc. I just want more oomph when I hit it cruising around town. Good enough for me!
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93' 500E, 95' Corolla
Ive been wanting to do a tune and midpipes on my car for awhile now but never pulled the trigger, I was really leaning towards Renntech but I not sure there worth it, Weistec really seems to be a better option , price , more available upgrades etc . The last one is a dyno tune but I’m not sure who to really trust , Plus I’m not really looking to max out the engine , just a nice safe and powerful tune . What are you guys using or who would you recommend Weistec or Renntech?
Thanks
Dave
#21
For those with N/A cars, do you feel the money is worth tuning it? When I see 20hp for $1,200.. I just wonder if the tune is really that noticeable over stock ECU? It's definitely one of our only options with N/A.. but I'm debating some new rollers or a tune. I will end up doing both, but for the time being it's one or the other.
#22
Cool deal; yeah, chat with him. After you do, hit me up and I can provide you with my experience, which is positive (love the performance and driveability). The car does behave differently with the aggressive map I have from him, versus the other tunes I tried. Pretty sure it's a torque mgmt thing, as this map actually gets tons of torque granted in first and second gears, whereas none of the other tunes I had would do so. If driving in a relaxed manner or at 100%, it feels flawless and super smooth, but with tons of power available. If somewhere in between, it's like the ecu is trying to decide whether or not to grant the torque request...is it an allowable value, or too high, etc? Hard to explain here, but happy to chat with you about it. edit: just have to learn how to drive it again....i don't swap ecus really anymore...i use the baldi tune 99% of the time.
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2007 e350 sport. 2010 350 4matic sport. Worlds first W212 E63R self built.
thats my only issue with this car. I want to come off the line like a bat out of hell. Let me decide how much pedal I want to throw at it. If I break something then that’s on me. . This tq management kills some fun. Usually the first thing that goes would be axels if anything. It’s the weakest link in the equation . If we can get the power we want without this tq management. I’m sure we would have 10.9 cars all day. **** maybe even 10.7 with stage 2 tunes and no cats
#24
thats my only issue with this car. I want to come off the line like a bat out of hell. Let me decide how much pedal I want to throw at it. If I break something then that’s on me. . This tq management kills some fun. Usually the first thing that goes would be axels if anything. It’s the weakest link in the equation . If we can get the power we want without this tq management. I’m sure we would have 10.9 cars all day. **** maybe even 10.7 with stage 2 tunes and no cats
I know what you mean about the torque management, yeah when launched these cars slug out of the hole rather than instantly engage , like ex.GTRS or even Audi’s slam out of the hole it would be great to get around that definitely knock some time off
#25
Do you have a Eurocharged tune ? I did notice they do have the most reasonable tune , do you have any dyno #s