Lenin

On the other side I have the radar LED. The radar controls are in the ashtray.

ThunderGatti

I'm new here and still shopping for my E63S AMG, but I've had this system in my Camaro for couple years now. It's hands down the best. I've had mine tested with 11 different current production guns, all running current firmware (including both dragon eye guns). Jams to gun at any distance. My favorite feature is how you can pass it off as parking sensors in case someone gets curious. I noticed after one of the recent firmware updates, my system switched to parking mode automatically after a hit...probably a setting you can change.

I'm very curious though how this system will work on this car since you can't go straight across the front. I've got my sensors going across in a straight line. My center sensor inside my Chevy bowtie and the other front sensors are directly above the headlights (there's an over-hang on that car). The V configuration should be ok as long as you don't get hit at very close range. I've seen other people on the RDF set theirs up that way but I'm not sure how well it will work. In the back I would keep them as close together as you can. I've got my wires going through the license plate light bulb holes above the plate. You're probably going to need two extension cables for this car for the rear. I'd keep your control unit inside the cabin as well (not under the hood)...maybe tuck it up above your driver's side footwell if there's room? I don't know this car well enough yet though to advise on a spot.

Billmiranda

If you're in Cali,.. then you are also in one of the states where Laser Jammers are strictly illegal:California Vehicle Code Section 28150 (Division 12: Equipment of Vehicles, Chapter 5: Other Equipment, Article 17: Jamming Devices) states the following:
(a) No vehicle shall be equipped with any device that is designed for, or is capable of, jamming, scrambling, neutralizing, disabling, or otherwise interfering with radar, laser, or any other electronic device used by a law enforcement agency to measure the speed of moving objects.
(b) No person shall use, buy, possess, manufacture, sell, or otherwise distribute any device that is designed for jamming, scrambling, neutralizing, disabling, or otherwise interfering with radar, laser, or any other electronic device used by a law enforcement agency to measure the speed of moving objects.
(c) Except as provided in subdivision (d), a violation of subdivision (a) or (b) is an infraction.
(d) When a person possesses four or more devices in violation of subdivision (b), the person is guilty of a misdemeanor.(e) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person who has a valid federal license for operating the devices described in this section may transport one or more of those devices if the license is carried in the vehicle transporting the device at all times when the device is being transported.

Vrodman

Uh, OK?

Yes, I know they are illegal. But I have a "Multipurpose Parking System" as it states everywhere on the box and its manuals. Also, as I am told, it is a fix it ticket here if it were PROVEN to be used as an active jamming device. What you supplied says misdemeanor if in possession of 4 or more devices. I imagine this is for people selling them.

Thanks for your post. But like I said, I have a Multi Purpose Parking System.

ThunderGatti

There's no equipment that exists, at least that I'm aware of, that would indicate that someone is "jamming". That's not how the system even works, or any of the systems. If you look at your car using an infrared camera, you can see oval shaped blotches around the sensors. The blotches don't allow the laser signal to be returned to the gun. It's like looking in a mirror and not seeing your reflection. As long as you abide by the golden rule, which is to turn the jammer off after you slow down or set the timer to do so, you'll return a reading at a slower speed. You'd have to be an idiot to get caught or encounter a really over zealous officer. As long as you return a reading there's no way it'll hold up in court. I've also shot all of the guns myself and it's no different from missing the target.

Lenin

The blotches don't allow the laser signal to be returned to the gun. It's like looking in a mirror and not seeing your reflection. This is not how the laser defense systems work.
The laser gun requires to get two reading in order to measure your speed. The laser defense system, after detecting the initial hit, sends back its own signal back to the gun. That causes the laser gun go into an "inconsistent signal" state simulating an inability to lock in on the target. Most of the laser guns will then read "error" as you pass them by. But the rest is correct. I have my system set to 4 seconds and then shut off for 60 seconds. ?it will then restart automatically unless I manually shut it off.

ThunderGatti

Not sure what guns you've shot, but there was literally nothing different displayed on the guns than if I continuously shot them into the sky at nothing. The person shooting the guns thinks they're missing and re-fires. Also, someone actually posted a video of what the sensors display and you can see it here. I saw this first hand but with a different camera that was much older. The image was b/w but similar to what you see here:

Lenin

Thunder, you video proves my point exactly. What you see is the laser firing back at the laser gun in order to confuse it. I recommend you spend some time on the radarandlaser forum. I will spare everyone from explaining the actual since and math behind how the laser guns work.

ThunderGatti

You can spare me your suggestions as well since I met my tester on the RDF and we physically tested this system. I've held and fired the guns and they give no speed reading due to that emissions that I described and linked. There's literally no way for the person firing the gun to know the difference between a miss and a jam.

e65

The reason dragon eye is difficult to jam is because it changes its frequency 6 times a second. Laser jamming systems cannot keep up. The reason that alp is able to jam the dragon eye is because it can adjust its jamming frequency 1000 times a second.

if there is no jamming signal then how is Alp different from any other laser system, why is alp the only one that can jam Dragon eye? Let's not get too emotional here. It's an interesting conversation.

ThunderGatti

Sorry I wasn't trying to get emotional or make this technical, just explain it from the perspective of how you would or wouldn't get caught - that's the concern I was responding to. There's literally nothing visible on any of the guns I used to give you away. A miss and a jam are indiscernible. LE is trained to target the most reflective surfaces on the car to increase the probability of a signal being returned to the gun. That's why you want the sensors close to your lights and plate. They can still get a reading from a non-reflective object though. I remember shooting a lady walking her dog and getting a reading even though she wasn't "reflective". The video I posted is just to show you what it looks like when it's working (as a visualization for the human eye). As I understand it the algorithm in the system itself is a whole other ball of wax.

e65

vid is awesome, I never even imagined anyone making a vid something like this

ThunderGatti

lol, if you think that's awesome you should've seen the guy that came to my house. "redrocket" from the RDF looks like he's pushing 90yo, drives a Challenger "triple digits" and installed home made 100% non-translucent light covers to minimize detection. If you're lucky enough to have him come test your car, you'll get a formal report card too.

Lenin

I guess you missed my point. The laser sensors do send a laser signal back to the gun. You reference to blotches protecting you from your speed reading is incorrect. The point is to create an inconsistent reading for the laser gun and therefore the speed cannot be read. Some older laser sensors do cause an "error" reading on the gun. Newer laser sensors like ALP are designed not to trigger the "error" message. Regardless of the "error" message, or the lack of the message, if you get too close to the cop with the laser gun pointing at you and no reading of the speed on the gun's display, the cop will know that the gun is being jammed. And as you stated correctly, that's why it is important to set the ALP correctly to shut itself off after 4 or 5 seconds, slow down and then let the cop get your lower speed reading. Btw, I have tested my setup with redrocket and Tom (the ALP USA distributor). Outstanding group of guys. You must be on the est cost since redrocket was based in MA.
And please, no hard feeling. Just trying to share the knowledge..

nikon

Mikeki7

Mounting locations on my CLS with an escort 9500ci mounted right behind the benz star. I did not add any leds in the interior, I only go off the added speaker behind the dash under the steering wheel and the light on the little alpriority settings controller.