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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 03:27 PM
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So today I decided to go to Original Autosport in Van Nuys, Ca to dyno the car, Dynojet. I have to say I am a bit disappointed with the numbers I did 2 runs. Dyno showed what I was expecting. The car noticeable drops off after 5k rpms when I drive it and it did show just that on the dyno.1st run 545 rwhp and 560 rwtq not sure on the tq rating. Car when warmed up a bit highest run is 552 rwhp and 615 rwtq, only did 2 runs. This was dynoed in 4th gear 91oct. I talked to Matt at HD he says its normal to fall flat like that top end. I don't know what it would've pulled in 5th gear but I doubt it would be much higher then the 552. All I have is Tune, High Flow Filters and Res Delete. The video is the 1st run I had to datalog the second run to send to Matt needed my phones dashcommand to do that so no vid of second run.

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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 04:42 PM
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I know you don’t wanna take the cats off but they are fairly restrictive and I’m sure you’ll see good gains if replaced with down pipes. But if you can’t then it is what it is.
Also are you having heat soaking issues? What year is yours? If it’s none S maybe it’s time to split the coolant lines.
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 04:51 PM
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I know you don’t wanna take the cats off but they are fairly restrictive and I’m sure you’ll see good gains if replaced with down pipes. But if you can’t then it is what it is.
Also are you having heat soaking issues? What year is yours? If it’s none S maybe it’s time to split the coolant lines.
Mine is the 2013, I think in 13 they split the lines compared to the 12's. I keep trying to add my car to the sig but for some reason it doesn't take the new sig. I'll try it again.
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by karpetcm
Mine is the 2013, I think in 13 they split the lines compared to the 12's. I keep trying to add my car to the sig but for some reason it doesn't take the new sig. I'll try it again.
I think it’s on S models only, but I couldn’t be wrong.
If they are not split, it’s something I highly recommend fling soon. (You can check to see if you have a reservoir next to your ECU).
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 09:08 PM
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 09:11 PM
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was yours MUSTANG or DYNOJET

It was a dynojet, wish mine pulled those Numbers. Those are solid numbers.

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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 09:53 PM
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Peter’s are crank hp numbers, I think.

If we are comparing bhp to whp the horsepower is identical between the two cars and Peter’s is making about 70 more lb/ft torque.
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 11:17 PM
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Pretty sure those are wheel numbers not crank. My 2012 pulled ~590rwhp and 730rwtq
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 11:29 PM
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Wow then my car is a bit of a disappointment.
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 11:56 PM
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Wow then my car is a bit of a disappointment.
630 crank hp and 700 crank torque (calculating 14% drivetrain loss) should not be disappointing!
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Originally Posted by karpetcm
1st run 545 rwhp and 560 rwtq not sure on the tq rating. Car when warmed up a bit highest run is 552 rwhp and 615 rwtq, only did 2 runs. This was dynoed in 4th gear 91oct. I talked to Matt at HD he says its normal to fall flat like that top end. I don't know what it would've pulled in 5th gear but I doubt it would be much higher then the 552. All I have is Tune, High Flow Filters and Res Delete.
Can you post a full dyno graph, preferably with rpm instead of mph? You may need to email the dyno shop for one. The m157 do drop off near top end, but it would be easier to tell if yours is normal or not with the normal dyno graph.
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This is the only other vid I have. He switches from mph to rpms. I also just did quick screen shot.

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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
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was yours MUSTANG or DYNOJET
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Originally Posted by Magno
Peter’s are crank hp numbers, I think.

If we are comparing bhp to whp the horsepower is identical between the two cars and Peter’s is making about 70 more lb/ft torque.
Prettttyyyy sure that’s whp.
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Most likely high intake air temperature pulling power
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Originally Posted by karpetcm

https://youtu.be/MA7R-ZyHZWI

This is the only other vid I have. He switches from mph to rpms. I also just did quick screen shot.
So the red version is at about 550whp from 4750-5250, dropping to 525whp thereafter. You are also showing SAE, whereas many tuners (like AMS for Peter) often show the higher STD correction factor. STD correction is about 3%-4% higher, so that would put you at about 570whp from 4750-5250, dropping to 545whp thereafter.

Those numbers seem fairly normal for an m157 tune, especially the high rpm whp. Forget about the massive torque that Peter and some others are showing. If you want that, you just have to have the tuner jack up the boost. I think it's largely pointless though since how often are you going to be basically full throttle at 2500-3500rpm without the car downshifting? It seems mainly for bragging rights.

You do have some little dips in the red curve which are kind of weird and may be creating that sense of power drop-off beyond what is normal. Those may be something for the tuner to work out. The blue curve looks smoother although it has lower values.

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Old Sep 10, 2019 | 11:12 AM
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So the red version is at about 550whp from 4750-5250, dropping to 525whp thereafter. You are also showing SAE, whereas many tuners (like AMS for Peter) often show the higher STD correction factor. STD correction is about 3%-4% higher, so that would put you at about 570whp from 4750-5250, dropping to 545whp thereafter.

Those numbers seem fairly normal for an m157 tune, especially the high rpm whp. Forget about the massive torque that Peter and some others are showing. If you want that, you just have to have the tuner jack up the boost. I think it's largely pointless though since how often are you going to be basically full throttle at 2500-3500rpm without the car downshifting? It seems mainly for bragging rights.

You do have some little dips in the red curve which are kind of weird and may be creating that sense of power drop-off beyond what is normal. Those may be something for the tuner to work out. The blue curve looks smoother although it has lower values.

I dynoed it in 4th does that effect it much as well? Thank you for the help and advice
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You cannot compare one dyno with another....the only thing you can do is log a 0-60 or 1/4 mile and see how your car performs....or of course log on the dyno before and after the tune....
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You cannot compare one dyno with another....the only thing you can do is log a 0-60 or 1/4 mile and see how your car performs....or of course log on the dyno before and after the tune....
+1. A dyno graph is only useful to show relative change if performed under identical or near identical conditions. Dyno graphs from different cars on different dynos under different conditions are completely useless. Absolute numbers on a dyno are also absolutely useless.
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You cannot compare one dyno with another....the only thing you can do is log a 0-60 or 1/4 mile and see how your car performs....or of course log on the dyno before and after the tune....
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+1. A dyno graph is only useful to show relative change if performed under identical or near identical conditions. Dyno graphs from different cars on different dynos under different conditions are completely useless. Absolute numbers on a dyno are also absolutely useless.
wrong ... dynojets are actually quite comparable when used with correction factors (without any funny business by the operators, of course)

0-60 & 1/4 mile are also dependent on traction & DA ... again, there are correction factors

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You cannot compare one dyno with another....the only thing you can do is log a 0-60 or 1/4 mile and see how your car performs....or of course log on the dyno before and after the tune....
This is what i would do to.
Need to do couple 1/4 miles runs, just see if its consistent.

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