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Old Aug 23, 2022 | 08:37 PM
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Why do we have to take off the dust caps though? That's what I was told earlier on?
We are not sure that if that is necessary but will have all details on here soon for you guys! Hang in there we 2-day aired them to the client.

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Old Aug 23, 2022 | 08:42 PM
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Expecting an answer from this crowd soon too.

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Old Sep 4, 2022 | 07:18 AM
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Hi Eric I have have tried several 10 mm spacers myself too and have spoken with you as well. When I called your shop, I was told they checked with you and I was told the spacer's won't work with our cars.

I would like to try your spacers too. email sent

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Did you get the 10mm Supreme fronts? Do they fit? Vibrate?
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Old Sep 4, 2022 | 07:36 AM
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We shipped 10 and 12 out to a customer to try out and he will give us an update on here soon. Once fitment is confirmed we can take orders for you guys
Just to update everyone, both 10 and 12mm spacers vibrate even more than what I had with the ecs spacers. I am going to try a 15mm spacer and see how that does. We beleive the design of the front hubs are causing spacers to not sit 100% flush.
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Old Sep 4, 2022 | 08:10 AM
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I was told for spacers to work on the front, the hub caps need to be removed, wonder why?
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Old Sep 4, 2022 | 08:28 AM
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I was told for spacers to work on the front, the hub caps need to be removed, wonder why?
The 15mm should clear this theory up as the inner circumstance of the spacer is bigger than the 10/12 so should mounted better. We will see
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Old Sep 4, 2022 | 09:27 AM
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The 15mm should clear this theory up as the inner circumstance of the spacer is bigger than the 10/12 so should mounted better. We will see
15 mm on the front would for sure push the wheel past the fender lip and not going to work.
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Old Sep 4, 2022 | 10:12 AM
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15 mm on the front would for sure push the wheel past the fender lip and not going to work.
Correct, it's more for test purposes only and see if the car drives smooth again. If it does than we know the culprit
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Update: I have vibration too!

I just took off all spacers yesterday to move my daughter to university today. I didn’t want to risk rubbing tires as I stuffed her whole life into the car.

It’s so silky smooth now that I have to retract what I stated before! I do have a slight vibration with the front ECS 12.5mm and just didn’t pick up on it. Removing spacers the car is on rails.

I wonder if it crept in over time slowly? I feel I would’ve noticed if it was like this when I first swapped spacers in.

My theory is the rears vibrate too! But there’s airbags buffering it and and no steering wheel to feel it through.

I’m opting out of spacers for now.
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Old Sep 4, 2022 | 12:03 PM
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Update: I have vibration too!

I just took off all spacers yesterday to move my daughter to university today. I didn’t want to risk rubbing tires as I stuffed her whole life into the car.

It’s so silky smooth now that I have to retract what I stated before! I do have a slight vibration with the front ECS 12.5mm and just didn’t pick up on it. Removing spacers the car is on rails.

I wonder if it crept in over time slowly? I feel I would’ve noticed if it was like this when I first swapped spacers in.

My theory is the rears vibrate too! But there’s airbags buffering it and and no steering wheel to feel it through.

I’m opting out of spacers for now.
It's very possible.. But the looks out weight it for me. Car just looks so much better with a proper stance
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Old Sep 4, 2022 | 03:45 PM
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It's very possible.. But the looks out weight it for me. Car just looks so much better with a proper stance
It does, doesn’t it.
I love proper stance too.
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Old Sep 4, 2022 | 04:27 PM
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Honestly the best thing is to find the right size wider wheels with appropriate offsets or keep the current wheels and go wider tires 265/295 with 3 mm spacers
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Old Sep 6, 2022 | 01:09 PM
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I had a company in Michigan widen some rims for me on another project. I just emailed them about changing the offset of my OEM wheels keeping the hub bore the same. Will see what they have to say.
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Old Sep 6, 2022 | 02:29 PM
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Even Eibach says "only for use on rear wheels!"
https://eibachshop.com/index.php?p15...s-benz-5x112mm

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I had a company in Michigan widen some rims for me on another project. I just emailed them about changing the offset of my OEM wheels keeping the hub bore the same. Will see what they have to say.
A. You would wanna do that to your stock forged wheels?
B. I could see shaving off/machining the back of a wheel to add "positive offset". How would they add material to give a wheel "negative offset" (Make it stick out more twd fender side). I have heard of shops doing this sorta thing to steel wheels. They literally cut off the face/disc/spokes, cut the barrel and add a strip of metal to widen it and weld the face back on. Sketch much?! I would be very interested in hearing how they could do that to a nice forged one piece wheel (not t hat I'd trust it).
C. After all it's said and done, wouldn't it better/safer/somewhat more cost effective to simply get a new/different set of wheels?

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Old Sep 6, 2022 | 07:23 PM
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Would the CLS63 stock rear rims help at all?




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A. You would wanna do that to your stock forged wheels?
B. I could see shaving off/machining the back of a wheel to add "positive offset". How would they add material to give a wheel "negative offset" (Make it stick out more twd fender side). I have heard of shops doing this sorta thing to steel wheels. They literally cut off the face/disc/spokes, cut the barrel and add a strip of metal to widen it and weld the face back on. Sketch much?! I would be very interested in hearing how they could do that to a nice forged one piece wheel (not t hat I'd trust it).
C. After all it's said and done, wouldn't it better/safer/somewhat more cost effective to simply get a new/different set of wheels?
Weldcraft wheels is the best IMHO and they replied "No, we won't do that."
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Would the CLS63 stock rear rims help at all?
These are the specs of the E63's wheels. But I get what you meant. I do recall the CLS63's wheel specs were slightly more aggressive.
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Weldcraft wheels is the best IMHO and they replied "No, we won't do that."
I think it is an excellent thing that they DON'T do such thing
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So here’s the problem with the 12.5mm ECS spacers and why mine started vibrating after a bit of time.

This chamfer is too large and the smaller wheel bore interferes with this larger diameter and can’t let the mounting face truly touch flat. It’s close, but no cigar. Notice how it’s galled and worn after a few weeks... no good. I was wrong in my posts up there where the spacer seemed to sit flush in the wheel. From the wear my spacer is showing apparently it doesn’t.

Im really interested now if the 15mm ECS or HR or ? will have this chamfer or not.

Do I clearance my wheels? I’ll look harder soon…





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I hope the factory forged wheels are unharmed.
You are gonna try 15mm's? You are already rubbing with the 12.5's.
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So here’s the problem with the 12.5mm ECS spacers and why mine started vibrating after a bit of time.

This chamfer is too large and the smaller wheel bore interferes with this larger diameter and can’t let the mounting face truly touch flat. It’s close, but no cigar. Notice how it’s galled and worn after a few weeks... no good. I was wrong in my posts up there where the spacer seemed to sit flush in the wheel. From the wear my spacer is showing apparently it doesn’t.

Im really interested now if the 15mm ECS or HR or ? will have this chamfer or not.

Do I clearance my wheels? I’ll look harder soon…



Here's the 15mm spacer from Supreme. Still have the vibrations at 90mph. It still has that same lip as the ecs spacer above

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Thanks for the pic!

I’m going to paint my wheel mounting face with machinists blue and gently rub the spacer on it and see exactly where the interference is.

And, I’m going to more carefully inspect the inside bore of the spacer and. make sure it’s not doing the same thing mating to the hub. If it is I’m not even going to try the next step of carefully clearancing the wheel chamfer to clear the spacer chamfer only after sitting on the garage floor contemplating life.

I’m also ordering HR 15mm to see if they’re different. Yes it’ll rub more but now I have to know! I found this older thread:

https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...won-t-fit.html






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These are the specs of the E63's wheels. But I get what you meant. I do recall the CLS63's wheel specs were slightly more aggressive.
The fronts are the same on CLS, the rear's are 1/2" wider. This is from my notes I've collected lurking on mbworld:
CLS Front Wheels: 9Jx19 ET37 (p/n A2184011700) - 26.8lbs
CLS Rear Wheels: 10Jx19 ET47 (p/n A2184011800) - 28lbs
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