Highly requested by many, was a comparison test adding the stock intakes to see what the results would be and how much gain these high flow intakes have over stock in the same day same DA same tune and nothing else. Just an intake swap. And yesterday we did just that. The results are absolutely amazing and puts these high flow intakes at the very top of all the intakes we have tested and compared. My only goal was to keep the m157 platform and m278 platform alive and to prove these engines have much more in them if some more time is spent understanding them. Through out the years I have proven to be a reliable source of information, providing true and real data that allowed other achieve goals that previously were thought impossible. That said , I have no intention in ruining my reputation and providing false data or to alter data just to show a gain on these intakes. Especially knowing some or many will test these using the same method and same software. That said our method for comparison as follows. Each run was down after all temps are equal or as close as possible before the start of each run. Intake temps between 88-93 degrees , coolant temps between 183-187 degrees .
First thing we found was with the HIGH FLOW intakes, we were able to get intake temps lower prior to starting points . The higher flow allows the turbos to breathe much easier which results in better temps even while Cruising, so we needed to hit it a little just to get temps up in order to start off in the same area as the stock intakes for accuracy in the log comparisons.
Second thing to pay attention too are the STFT. Short term fuel trims . Located at the top right of the logs you will see the fuel trim at WOT and it shows how much fuel the ecu needs to add in order to compensate for the increased air flow. In the meat of the run during peak boost the HIGH FLOW INTAKES are requesting 4 points of fuel over the stock intakes. This is huge for simple adding intakes. For those that actually know, this is hard facts and data. The stock fuel system has more than enough fuel to compensate. Same can't be said for E85 tunes simple because it has not been tested on an e85 software so I can't say how much fuel would have to be added by the ecu.
third. Peak intake temps are lower on avg by 8-10 degrees. In 80 degrees ambient, and these numbers compound the cooler it is ambient. This indicates that with HIGH FLOW intakes the turbos are in a better part of the compressor map. They are rotating less while still providing 2.3 psi higher peak boost numbers . Which is absolutely fantastic. That makes the entire system more efficient as a whole. A turbo that's more efficient lowers back pressure. Regardless of how minor this amount may be, it's still an amount that can add up to something great when you focus on cooling mods.
fourth. Boost pressure peaked higher and stayed higher longer. The stock intakes were choking out so much the boost pressure dropped down to 27 psi. Thats a HUGE drop. Another hard fact proving how much more flow is available with a good designed intake.
we also need to realize these test are on a 60-130 range . That means these intakes would have a greater result with a quarter mile test run when they are being utilized from start to finish. Which we will do testing for next.
SO FOR THE RESULTS l! Over a second faster!!! And this is without attempting for a PB and in over 1100DA . There's no doubt that these intakes in cooler weather would show even better improvements . At the very bottom of each log you can see the date showing these logs were done on the same day . I tried to be as accurate as possible and these are the results on a stage 2 ec tune using 93 octane where boost peaks to33-35 range. Results would vary if your running a tune that's using less boost as that tune would not be demanding as much from the intake. That said we dropped .5 .7 on the 60-130 on a completely stock ecu with no tune at all with stock boost pressure. Still had fantastic improvements
Stock intakes Stock intake log HIGh flow intakes HIGH flow intake logs
Great results!! What is timeframe looking like currently for ordering and receiving the intake kit? In other words…take my money! 😅😂
they are currently selling . I think we may have gotten rid of the first batch . Orders can be placed @ModalWorks let them know you are coming from
the forum to keep it at the new release sale price
Thank you bro . These intakes are impressive, the more
boost your throw the more they give you . It really is going to take stock turbos to a new time frame . Mark my words, you will see m157 stock turbos hitting new times once these intakes are combined with a good tuner
Wanted to start using this thread for the new customer before and after comparisons . That way we can all share data and information to help each other achieve maximum potential from these. Very excited that we already have someone who broke the stock turbo world record with the new intakes . No revisions was done. He’s now running Jerry E30 with meth for cooling, new high flow intakes and Catless dp. He shaved off an impressive amount of time . This is also coming from an already upgraded intake setup. You can see down below he picked up 2mph in the quarter mile. He’s spinning badly but I’m sure that’s going to be addressed soon for a new quarter PB from him
Wanted to update the tread with another nicely modded m157 that is now
in the 6’s with the new high flow intakes.He is achieving this with much lower wgdc 58%-60% which makes stock turbos much more attractive to keep. drop is over 10-20% wgdc. Which results in a faster time with less boost, cooler temps, much smoother shifts because an overall efficiency jump. Just wait until @tunedbyjerry is done working his magic. [size=33px]Excited to see what happens after a revised tune that adds more boost now. Owner is @301reboss[/size]
Congratulations to @mstodd_murked from Instagram for becoming the second fastest stock turbo m157 on the quarter mile . With a tune that’s no where near as aggressive as some in the same time frame. An E30 map by Jerry. He also is now the world’s fastest 60-130 stock turbo m157 and he will most likely be the first stock turbo m157 doing 5 sec 60-130 .
Blackboost vs Modal works e30 tune exhaust only gains
Blackboost intake and tune, e30. Car was working harder per logs at top of 4th. MW, A2D intakes with new tune. E30, exhaust, downpipe. Faster, working not as hard.
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Highly requested by many, was a comparison test adding the stock intakes to see what the results would be and how much gain these high flow intakes have over stock in the same day same DA same tune and nothing else. Just an intake swap. And yesterday we did just that. The results are absolutely amazing and puts these high flow intakes at the very top of all the intakes we have tested and compared. My only goal was to keep the m157 platform and m278 platform alive and to prove these engines have much more in them if some more time is spent understanding them. Through out the years I have proven to be a reliable source of information, providing true and real data that allowed other achieve goals that previously were thought impossible. That said , I have no intention in ruining my reputation and providing false data or to alter data just to show a gain on these intakes. Especially knowing some or many will test these using the same method and same software. That said our method for comparison as follows. Each run was down after all temps are equal or as close as possible before the start of each run. Intake temps between 88-93 degrees , coolant temps between 183-187 degrees .
First thing we found was with the HIGH FLOW intakes, we were able to get intake temps lower prior to starting points . The higher flow allows the turbos to breathe much easier which results in better temps even while Cruising, so we needed to hit it a little just to get temps up in order to start off in the same area as the stock intakes for accuracy in the log comparisons.
Second thing to pay attention too are the STFT. Short term fuel trims . Located at the top right of the logs you will see the fuel trim at WOT and it shows how much fuel the ecu needs to add in order to compensate for the increased air flow. In the meat of the run during peak boost the HIGH FLOW INTAKES are requesting 4 points of fuel over the stock intakes. This is huge for simple adding intakes. For those that actually know, this is hard facts and data. The stock fuel system has more than enough fuel to compensate. Same can't be said for E85 tunes simple because it has not been tested on an e85 software so I can't say how much fuel would have to be added by the ecu.
third. Peak intake temps are lower on avg by 8-10 degrees. In 80 degrees ambient, and these numbers compound the cooler it is ambient. This indicates that with HIGH FLOW intakes the turbos are in a better part of the compressor map. They are rotating less while still providing 2.3 psi higher peak boost numbers . Which is absolutely fantastic. That makes the entire system more efficient as a whole. A turbo that's more efficient lowers back pressure. Regardless of how minor this amount may be, it's still an amount that can add up to something great when you focus on cooling mods.
fourth. Boost pressure peaked higher and stayed higher longer. The stock intakes were choking out so much the boost pressure dropped down to 27 psi. Thats a HUGE drop. Another hard fact proving how much more flow is available with a good designed intake.
we also need to realize these test are on a 60-130 range . That means these intakes would have a greater result with a quarter mile test run when they are being utilized from start to finish. Which we will do testing for next.
SO FOR THE RESULTS l! Over a second faster!!! And this is without attempting for a PB and in over 1100DA . There's no doubt that these intakes in cooler weather would show even better improvements . At the very bottom of each log you can see the date showing these logs were done on the same day . I tried to be as accurate as possible and these are the results on a stage 2 ec tune using 93 octane where boost peaks to33-35 range. Results would vary if your running a tune that's using less boost as that tune would not be demanding as much from the intake. That said we dropped .5 .7 on the 60-130 on a completely stock ecu with no tune at all with stock boost pressure. Still had fantastic improvements
Stock intakes Stock intake log HIGh flow intakes HIGH flow intake logs
Numbers and data don’t lie! Just when we thought there was no more in the stock turbo now we are putting down what once were upgraded turbo numbers . When a good design with good materials goes a long way.
I think my situation represents many of us who don't have access to Ethanol (E85) and are after some "ease gains" on our M157 E63s.
On 91 octane (California),
Using Modal Works intake,
Catted downpipe (200cel)
Modest boost maybe 15-16psi max, to preserve stock turbos etc
Can you estimate 60-130 and 1/4 mile trap speed that is reasonable assumption?
Mine is still OEM stock, its daily driver, needs to stay trouble free as it has been. Hence the simple upgrade path sought.
I am aiming to do it all at once, to limit downtime.
I think my situation represents many of us who don't have access to Ethanol (E85) and are after some "ease gains" on our M157 E63s.
On 91 octane (California),
Using Modal Works intake,
Catted downpipe (200cel)
Modest boost maybe 15-16psi max, to preserve stock turbos etc
Can you estimate 60-130 and 1/4 mile trap speed that is reasonable assumption?
Mine is still OEM stock, its daily driver, needs to stay trouble free as it has been. Hence the simple upgrade path sought.
I am aiming to do it all at once, to limit downtime.
this installation video is good . Once you receive the kit shoot me a message . I’ll get your number and send you detailed information as well . It’s not difficult just takes a little time. But the video does have everything you need.
I think my situation represents many of us who don't have access to Ethanol (E85) and are after some "ease gains" on our M157 E63s.
On 91 octane (California),
Using Modal Works intake,
Catted downpipe (200cel)
Modest boost maybe 15-16psi max, to preserve stock turbos etc
Can you estimate 60-130 and 1/4 mile trap speed that is reasonable assumption?
Mine is still OEM stock, its daily driver, needs to stay trouble free as it has been. Hence the simple upgrade path sought.
I am aiming to do it all at once, to limit downtime.
Another intake install dropped time substantially over his previous intake set ..
seems like he’s already showing what these intakes are capable of . These high flow intake undoubtedly are taking these m157 to times that some needed big turbos to do . Absolutely impressive @bentz69 Killing it!!!
