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Has anyone found rubber floor mats/trays to fit the E63S Wagon? WeatherTech does not have the wagon as one of their 2018 body styles. Is the front floor the same on the 2018 E63S Wagon as the Sedan?
I just got the all season mats from the dealer when I picked up my wagon. Told my SA I wanted them and the car had them upon delivery.
A MB dealer has informed me that MB Canada will have the above wheels & Michelin PA4 (265 series) as their standard 19" winter offering. It seems the package will be assembled in Canada, not in Europe. Right now, they are running into Michelin PA4 supply issue and they don't know when the supply will be brought in (best guess is early December).
As for the price offering, MB Burlington has informed me the package, which includes everything (installed and 1 free year of tire storage) is $5,675 + taxes.
Tire Rack seem knowledgeable and offered me this solution for $2364. Wheels look good enough and not out of place on the car. Also Pirelli have $120 worth of rebates. PRODUCTS ORDERED
Size & Description
Qty
Availability
Price Each
Item Total 255/40R-19 Pirelli Winter Sottozero Serie II Star BMW XL2
In Stock
$246.62 $493.24 Note:
Two Year Road Hazard Included* Rim Width Range 8.50 to 10.00
Includes Free Road Hazard Protection ($38.40 value. Two-year coverage.)
$0.00
To make a claim, please contact the Road Hazard Program Administrator (855) 623-0468 www.tirerack.com/roadhazard Retail Tire Registration Card 1
In Stock
N/C N/C Basic Limited Warranty 1
In Stock
N/C N/C 19x8.5 Sport Edition ST6 ADC 2
In Stock
$171.00 $342.00 Required lugbolt for vehicle 10
In Stock
N/C N/C Sport Edition center cap - 75mm diameter 2
In Stock
N/C N/C 433MHz Tire Pressure Sensor 2
In Stock
$93.00 $186.00 19x9.5 Sport Edition ST6 ADC 2
In Stock
$149.00 $298.00 Required lugbolt for vehicle 10
In Stock
N/C N/C Sport Edition center cap - 75mm diameter 2
In Stock
N/C N/C 433MHz Tire Pressure Sensor 2
In Stock
$93.00 $186.00 285/35R-19 Pirelli Winter Sottozero Serie II N0(Porsche) 2
In Stock
$343.76 $687.52 Note:
Two Year Road Hazard Included* Rim Width Range 9.50 to 11.00
Includes Free Road Hazard Protection ($53.52 value. Two-year coverage.)
$0.00 Retail Tire Registration Card 1
In Stock
N/C N/C Basic Limited Warranty 1
In Stock
N/C N/C Mount and Balance (No Charge) 2
In Stock
N/C N/C Mount and Balance (No Charge) 2
In Stock
N/C N/C
Some products above selected for the following vehicle(s)
Vehicle: 18 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG S Wagon
Tire Rack seem knowledgeable and offered me this solution for $2364. Wheels look good enough and not out of place on the car. Also Pirelli have $120 worth of rebates. PRODUCTS ORDERED
Size & Description
Qty
Availability
Price Each
Item Total 255/40R-19 Pirelli Winter Sottozero Serie II Star BMW XL2
In Stock
$246.62 $493.24 Note:
Two Year Road Hazard Included* Rim Width Range 8.50 to 10.00
Includes Free Road Hazard Protection ($38.40 value. Two-year coverage.)
$0.00
To make a claim, please contact the Road Hazard Program Administrator (855) 623-0468 www.tirerack.com/roadhazard Retail Tire Registration Card 1
In Stock
N/C N/C Basic Limited Warranty 1
In Stock
N/C N/C 19x8.5 Sport Edition ST6 ADC 2
In Stock
$171.00 $342.00 Required lugbolt for vehicle 10
In Stock
N/C N/C Sport Edition center cap - 75mm diameter 2
In Stock
N/C N/C 433MHz Tire Pressure Sensor 2
In Stock
$93.00 $186.00 19x9.5 Sport Edition ST6 ADC 2
In Stock
$149.00 $298.00 Required lugbolt for vehicle 10
In Stock
N/C N/C Sport Edition center cap - 75mm diameter 2
In Stock
N/C N/C 433MHz Tire Pressure Sensor 2
In Stock
$93.00 $186.00 285/35R-19 Pirelli Winter Sottozero Serie II N0(Porsche) 2
In Stock
$343.76 $687.52 Note:
Two Year Road Hazard Included* Rim Width Range 9.50 to 11.00
Includes Free Road Hazard Protection ($53.52 value. Two-year coverage.)
$0.00 Retail Tire Registration Card 1
In Stock
N/C N/C Basic Limited Warranty 1
In Stock
N/C N/C Mount and Balance (No Charge) 2
In Stock
N/C N/C Mount and Balance (No Charge) 2
In Stock
N/C N/C
Some products above selected for the following vehicle(s)
Vehicle: 18 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG S Wagon
The Sotto 2 is really old tires that came out in 2008/2009, if you benchmark to today's winter performance, then they are nowhere near as good esp. the rubber compound composition may not have improved since introduction. If you can change and get Sotto 3 (newer and came out in the last couple of years), it would be better.
As for the wheels, I can see tirerack has 20" on their site but don't see the 19". Just wondering the offset for those wheels they have offered you.
What is the general opinion about the sotto 2 vs the 3? 3 seems a ton more ice worthy but isn't in Canada with all sizes yet
sotto 3 vs PA4?
I had experience with PA4, I can say it is a very good dry performance winter tire. There are couple of cons for the tires, they wear relatively fast due to the soft rubber compound and in a real icy and snowy condition, the traction is just average at best. Therefore, as the tires wear in couple of season , the traction will start to give way when you kind of hoping it will provide you with the necessary grip. Would I buy again ? I would buy the Michelin esp pa5 which is now available for NA market
As for the Pirelli, I have never been a fan of Pirelli tires at all. They make average tires but charge hefty premium pricing.
Last edited by bobblehead; 11-26-2017 at 09:25 AM.
The Sotto 2 is really old tires that came out in 2008/2009, if you benchmark to today's winter performance, then they are nowhere near as good esp. the rubber compound composition may not have improved since introduction. If you can change and get Sotto 3 (newer and came out in the last couple of years), it would be better.
As for the wheels, I can see tirerack has 20" on their site but don't see the 19". Just wondering the offset for those wheels they have offered you.
I believe this Sottozero was all they had to fix the Mercedes. I'll call Tire Rack and ask about other options and the offset.
The Sotto 2 is really old tires that came out in 2008/2009, if you benchmark to today's winter performance, then they are nowhere near as good esp. the rubber compound composition may not have improved since introduction. If you can change and get Sotto 3 (newer and came out in the last couple of years), it would be better.
As for the wheels, I can see tirerack has 20" on their site but don't see the 19". Just wondering the offset for those wheels they have offered you.
According to Tire Rack the Sotto Zero III is not available in the size used on the E63. Also the offset on the 19 are 32 on the front and 48 for the rear.
For the front aftermarket setup: this new wheel will have an inner rim which is 5.7mm further away from the suspension strut. The outer rim will poke out 19.7mm less than before
For the rear aftermarket setup: this new wheel will have an inner rim which is 13.4mm further away from the suspension strut. The outer rim will poke out 0.6mm more than before.
If you want the front to be pushed back out to the factory spec, then you would need about 15 or 20mm spacers. If you don't use spacers, I believe there is no real safety issue, therefore, appearance wise is like the front wheels being pushed in (if you are very picky on the look)
Note: It seems you have already gotten this set already, double check to make sure those winter tires are not like 3 yrs old or older. The aged rubber compound may not give you the best traction after this many years due to degradation even if they are brand new.
Last edited by bobblehead; 11-27-2017 at 01:20 PM.
For the front aftermarket setup: this new wheel will have an inner rim which is 5.7mm further away from the suspension strut. The outer rim will poke out 19.7mm less than before
For the rear aftermarket setup: this new wheel will have an inner rim which is 13.4mm further away from the suspension strut. The outer rim will poke out 0.6mm more than before.
If you want the front to be pushed back out to the factory spec, then you would need about 15 or 20mm spacers. If you don't use spacers, I believe there is no real safety issue, therefore, appearance wise is like the front wheels being pushed in (if you are very picky on the look)
Note: It seems you have already gotten this set already, double check to make sure those winter tires are not like 3 yrs old or older. The aged rubber compound may not give you the best traction after this many years due to degradation even if they are brand new.
These tires were made week 41, year 2015 so already 2 years old. Called Pirelli and spoke to technical support and all I got from them was "there is no shelf life". TR option is that the clock starts ticking once the tire is on the car and with proper storage the tires do not degrade. So I called TR to ask what is proper storage, and they claim that they have climate controlled warehousing, not inflated and often rotated (whatever that means). People need to know that Tire Rack will sell you a tire as old as 2013 and class it as brand new. If you want to sell your tires and wheel make sure you keep the invoice. https://blog.tirerack.com/blog/hunte...old-is-too-old
Lessons learnt, be prepared to ask questions. The only thing I can say is that if you don't care and need easy, quick service then use Tire Rack otherwise work with someone locally that you can trust.
Typically I think most say tires have a lifespan of 7 years... so, at 2 to 3 years, there is some shorter lifespan but I guess if you'll use them and wear them down within 4 to 5 years you'll be fine (if not quicker).
I went with 2 year old sotto zero 2 on my car. they were 275 something 20 and I put them on the factory wheels... They are perfect. no issues whatsoever.
So I got some snows for our new car and will use the factory 20" rims. I prefer staggered over square setups when using the factory rims as they are also staggered. Have done that for years and it works great. Our RWD SL which we use on/off in the winter time has Pirelli Sottozero's on factory rims/tire specs and handles MN winters with ease.
So our setup is (near) factory as well. 255/35/20 (instead of 265's) for the front and 295/30/20 for the rear. Turns out that the wheel diameter is exactly the same front/rear. Pirelli Sottozero 3 W-rated. Will have them installed Monday.
The Sotto 2 is really old tires that came out in 2008/2009, if you benchmark to today's winter performance, then they are nowhere near as good esp. the rubber compound composition may not have improved since introduction. If you can change and get Sotto 3 (newer and came out in the last couple of years), it would be better.
As for the wheels, I can see tirerack has 20" on their site but don't see the 19". Just wondering the offset for those wheels they have offered you.
These are terrible...sorry..Its like wearing a Tom ford suit with a pair of Walmart shoes.
I don't disagree, but not sure I want expensive wheel for winter driving. I'll see how this winter goes and I may change next season. What I will say is the ride quality has dramatically improved on the Sotto Zero.
That's a good looking wheel. The Neuspeed RSE102 is an Audi wheel with center a smaller hub bore of 57.1 so the wheel has to be bored out to 66.6. Does Neuspeed offer hub shaving?
11-21-2017, 07:34 AM
