Chris Harris drives W213 E63
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07-03-2017, 11:32 AM
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I think he is complaining about ride quality. But when you listen to the video, the exhaust when on the street does not appear to be on the comfort setting. It has the backfires and double de-clutching. I wonder how he had the suspension set.
07-03-2017, 12:03 PM
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What's the general consensus about ride quality in comfort mode? I just got interested in this car, haven't followed the reviews.
I'm sure it's firm, but is it comfortable for long touring?
I'm sure it's firm, but is it comfortable for long touring?
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07-03-2017, 01:26 PM
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If your primary focus was on having a smooth plush slushmobile for those long distance cruises, wouldn't you be looking at an S model?
Personally, I'm willing to sacrifice a little on the comfort side for better all around handling in the sportier modes.
If I want plush I'll take my motorhome out for a spin ;-)
Personally, I'm willing to sacrifice a little on the comfort side for better all around handling in the sportier modes.
If I want plush I'll take my motorhome out for a spin ;-)
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07-03-2017, 02:57 PM
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I'm personally a little disappointed AMG has gone more towards handling. The old 211s were great and no slouch for a 4500lb car. I certainly don't want anything more harsh (or larger like an S class) than my current 212! If I wanted harsh feel or to brag about cornering I'd have gone BMW along time ago...
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I'm personally a little disappointed AMG has gone more towards handling. The old 211s were great and no slouch for a 4500lb car. I certainly don't want anything more harsh (or larger like an S class) than my current 212! If I wanted harsh feel or to brag about cornering I'd have gone BMW along time ago...
FYI- when did a W211 weigh 4500 lbs?
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You'll be fine. A nice firm ride is what you want in the mountains, no slushy milkshake.
Agreed. This looks amazing.
If your primary focus was on having a smooth plush slushmobile for those long distance cruises, wouldn't you be looking at an S model?
Personally, I'm willing to sacrifice a little on the comfort side for better all around handling in the sportier modes.
If I want plush I'll take my motorhome out for a spin ;-)
Personally, I'm willing to sacrifice a little on the comfort side for better all around handling in the sportier modes.
If I want plush I'll take my motorhome out for a spin ;-)
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I'm personally a little disappointed AMG has gone more towards handling. The old 211s were great and no slouch for a 4500lb car. I certainly don't want anything more harsh (or larger like an S class) than my current 212! If I wanted harsh feel or to brag about cornering I'd have gone BMW along time ago...
maybe its just harsh in his review because he has low tire pressure
(notice the TPS warning light)
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That doesn't mean anything. You can set exhaust and suspension separately. I would normally drive on city streets with suspension in comfort and exhaust on loud.
07-03-2017, 05:33 PM
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Im the opposite, I have always felt there should be more in the handling department coupled with better steering so this car is going to be great for me. My C63S and GTS are both rather taut with the dampeners that come OEM. I just have to run a softer setting (usually just sport= 1 light).
FYI- when did a W211 weigh 4500 lbs?
FYI- when did a W211 weigh 4500 lbs?
07-03-2017, 06:09 PM
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IIRC, it's mostly been UK based reviewers that complain about the ride quality in comfort. UK roads can be pretty crap in town and so also many US city roads. It's funny but everyone else seems to say it's comfortable if anything only complain of higher than expected tyre noise (then again I think those were also Uk reviewers) So unless you live in Dubai or Germany where the roads are generally spotless I guess you might find the ride a little too busy around town.
"https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mercedes-amg/e-63/first-drives/2017-mercedes-amg-e-63-s-review
while the suspension is firm enough that in the UK it might be approaching (if I can use this word) nuggety.
It’s good fun, in other words, and certainly comfortable and controlled enough"
"https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mercedes-amg/e-63/first-drives/2017-mercedes-amg-e-63-s-review
while the suspension is firm enough that in the UK it might be approaching (if I can use this word) nuggety.
It’s good fun, in other words, and certainly comfortable and controlled enough"
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Oh then the W213 under your descriptors will be well over the 4500 but I have a feeling it will drive like its under the actual.
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My main point was that the 211 was plenty capable for the limited cornering most will do while still maintaining a luxury ride. I felt the 212 gave up too much comfort to gain something I wasn't looking for from a mid sized AMG and it sounds like the 213 takes that a step further. Maybe if I lived in an area closer to canyon or coastal roads I'd be more in favor.
I know people will say I should be looking at a full size sedan but they just don't appeal to me. And I prefer my mid size sedan not treating me like a sports car or C class. I may end up with this car but the 212 has made me take a close look at Audi!
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It really is a race car dressed as a street car, I would even say that about my 212, but the 213 even more so. I'm getting a S as my daily driver and the 213 will be my sports car. The roads around where I live summers really suck and I'll drive the 213 as little as possible around new england, In florida the car will be fine.
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No doubt you're right and it's amazing that a car this heavy can handle so well.
My main point was that the 211 was plenty capable for the limited cornering most will do while still maintaining a luxury ride. I felt the 212 gave up too much comfort to gain something I wasn't looking for from a mid sized AMG and it sounds like the 213 takes that a step further. Maybe if I lived in an area closer to canyon or coastal roads I'd be more in favor.
I know people will say I should be looking at a full size sedan but they just don't appeal to me. And I prefer my mid size sedan not treating me like a sports car or C class. I may end up with this car but the 212 has made me take a close look at Audi!
My main point was that the 211 was plenty capable for the limited cornering most will do while still maintaining a luxury ride. I felt the 212 gave up too much comfort to gain something I wasn't looking for from a mid sized AMG and it sounds like the 213 takes that a step further. Maybe if I lived in an area closer to canyon or coastal roads I'd be more in favor.
I know people will say I should be looking at a full size sedan but they just don't appeal to me. And I prefer my mid size sedan not treating me like a sports car or C class. I may end up with this car but the 212 has made me take a close look at Audi!
I was lucky enough to have a crack on the new E 63 AMG S press car here in Brazil, in the 2017 AMG Driving Tour. Man, what a car, long gone are the days where AMGs couldn't handle their obscene power figures. I have had a long past history of M-Cars and AMG (I had a M3 E90, W204 C 63 AMG, CLS 63 AMG PP, M5 F10, W212 E 63 4 Matic and lastly M6 F06 Gran Coupe).
None of these cars come even close to the AMG. In fact, I think at the moment there is not a single Saloon or Estate that can even come close or hold a candle to the E 63 AMG S. The car feels amazing to drive. A RS6/RS7 will not even be able to see where the AMG is heading, and a M5 F10 will probably spin out of control trying to keep up. This car is just a whole new category of handling. To my eyes not even the Giulia QV and the Panamera Turbo (despite their exceptional Nurburgring lap-times) can match the E 63 AMG S. I have not driven the new Panamera Turbo, but I have had plenty of seat time in Turbo S model from previous generation, and it doesn't even come close to this new E 63.
I drove it only for 2 laps, but oh boy was I in for a treat. The steering is incredibly precise and feels awesome on your hands, and the car's handling is razor sharp. The transmission is instant, it is pretty much on pair with M-DCT, and the brakes are impeccable too. I drove a non CCB car, but it still took a day of multiple people abusing of it on track without distress. The brake pedal feels great, in fact the whole car feels great. It feels at least 300-400kg lighter than it really is, it has an amazing sense of agility. This is a car that weighs 1950kg but from personal experience I feel like it can easily keep up with a 911 Turbo in a twisty road if driven properly. The car has surreal traction, amazing throttle response, pretty much instant change of direction. In fact all of the controls are pretty immediate. Not trying to kiss too much ***, but this car feels like a saloon 911 Turbo. It is that awesome.
I can not comment on road usability or ride comfort because my contact with the car was on track laps and simulated drag races (pretty pointless if you ask me), but on track at least it is a whole new level. I have taken the M6 GC, and the previous E 63 on track, and while the M6 was an awesome experience, the chassis always felt overwhelmed by the sheer power and mass of the thing (it either understeered or oversteered big time), although the car always felt composed, and very agile. The W212 E 63 on the other hand was just awful on track, the transmission was rubbish, brakes were useless, and the steering felt loose and numb. M3 E90 and W204 C 63 I never had the chance to take them to the track, but from my past experience the new E 63 steers with more precision and delicacy than even the E90 M3. The car is sublime.
You are probably thinking I am a AMG asslicker from my personal report, but I am saying this because I loved the car, I absolutely loved it. My only criticism is the rear styling, the run flat tyres, and I would probably complain about ride comfort. But as far as criticism goes, that is it really. The new M5 will have to be exceptional and at least 4 cuts above the current to compete with the E 63.
None of these cars come even close to the AMG. In fact, I think at the moment there is not a single Saloon or Estate that can even come close or hold a candle to the E 63 AMG S. The car feels amazing to drive. A RS6/RS7 will not even be able to see where the AMG is heading, and a M5 F10 will probably spin out of control trying to keep up. This car is just a whole new category of handling. To my eyes not even the Giulia QV and the Panamera Turbo (despite their exceptional Nurburgring lap-times) can match the E 63 AMG S. I have not driven the new Panamera Turbo, but I have had plenty of seat time in Turbo S model from previous generation, and it doesn't even come close to this new E 63.
I drove it only for 2 laps, but oh boy was I in for a treat. The steering is incredibly precise and feels awesome on your hands, and the car's handling is razor sharp. The transmission is instant, it is pretty much on pair with M-DCT, and the brakes are impeccable too. I drove a non CCB car, but it still took a day of multiple people abusing of it on track without distress. The brake pedal feels great, in fact the whole car feels great. It feels at least 300-400kg lighter than it really is, it has an amazing sense of agility. This is a car that weighs 1950kg but from personal experience I feel like it can easily keep up with a 911 Turbo in a twisty road if driven properly. The car has surreal traction, amazing throttle response, pretty much instant change of direction. In fact all of the controls are pretty immediate. Not trying to kiss too much ***, but this car feels like a saloon 911 Turbo. It is that awesome.
I can not comment on road usability or ride comfort because my contact with the car was on track laps and simulated drag races (pretty pointless if you ask me), but on track at least it is a whole new level. I have taken the M6 GC, and the previous E 63 on track, and while the M6 was an awesome experience, the chassis always felt overwhelmed by the sheer power and mass of the thing (it either understeered or oversteered big time), although the car always felt composed, and very agile. The W212 E 63 on the other hand was just awful on track, the transmission was rubbish, brakes were useless, and the steering felt loose and numb. M3 E90 and W204 C 63 I never had the chance to take them to the track, but from my past experience the new E 63 steers with more precision and delicacy than even the E90 M3. The car is sublime.
You are probably thinking I am a AMG asslicker from my personal report, but I am saying this because I loved the car, I absolutely loved it. My only criticism is the rear styling, the run flat tyres, and I would probably complain about ride comfort. But as far as criticism goes, that is it really. The new M5 will have to be exceptional and at least 4 cuts above the current to compete with the E 63.
07-05-2017, 03:53 PM
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I then moved to the E 63 4Matic and regretted the change almost immediately. I didn't want an RS7 or RS6 because I am sorry to whoever owns or owned one of this, but it just isn't a driver's car. It is a complete turd. It understeers like there is no tommorow, steering feel is absolutely atrocious, bodyroll is gigantic, and the whole thing feels like it is taped together. The E 63 fixed all the traction complaints, but upon fixing the traction problem, AMG hit a chassis problem. The chassis couldn't cope with the new speeds and demand of the traction advantage. Therefore the slow transmission felt even slower, the brakes felt uncapable of stopping the car, and the steering felt far more imprecise than on the CLS. Nevertheless handling was pretty neutral, and ride comfort was beyond amazing. The E 63 W212 didn't need a lot to improve substantially. Stiffer suspension, transmission tuning and better brakes would have made it the ultimate M-killer. Small things that would overall account for a massive difference.
07-05-2017, 09:11 PM
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I'm personally a little disappointed AMG has gone more towards handling. The old 211s were great and no slouch for a 4500lb car. I certainly don't want anything more harsh (or larger like an S class) than my current 212! If I wanted harsh feel or to brag about cornering I'd have gone BMW along time ago...
I'm in the UK so roads are pretty crap here. I'd have to say personally the M5 F10 is extremely comfortable. I've got it on 19's rather than 20's but say it's right up there with the W212 and only something like an S class / 7 series would beat it for comfort. I'm extremely happy with how it rides from a comfort point of view.
Feels like the brands are swapping here. I suspect the new M5 will drive softer in comfort than this E63S. However I still cannot help but be lured by the sound and 850Nm of torque. What a machine!
Oh and they said the C63S was a bit firm for UK roads as well but I found it fine. The seats were really comfortable and it never bothered me on a long trip. Having said that it was also a million miles away from the comfort of the M5's ride. There's always something you've got to compromise on I guess when picking a car, they all have some weak spot.
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