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Old Apr 23, 2018 | 04:30 PM
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Why is the alpha Romeo Giulia fastest sedan in the world?

Based on the Nuremberg result ... 7:32???

wouldnt the w213 or new m5 beat that car?
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Old Apr 23, 2018 | 04:47 PM
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So far as I know not that many manufacturers are interested in the Ring or any other track times of their saloons/sedans as almost no one buys them to track them on road courses.
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Old Apr 23, 2018 | 04:54 PM
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I had an Alfa Quadrifoglio and it is deceptively fast. That car is essentially built for the track- it has power, very responsive steering, and is light. However I prefer the E63 for my daily driver- more comfortable, yet it is still a beast when need be.
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Old Apr 23, 2018 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
Based on the Nuremberg result ... 7:32???

wouldnt the w213 or new m5 beat that car?

It’s a smaller car. Way lighter than the M5/e63s genre. Bigger sedans are not meant to put down crazy track numbers. They are meant to be a practical luxury car that has lots of power and are faster in a straight line than around a track. If you are worried about autocross number the Gulia/M3/M4/C63 are better cars for that.
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Old Apr 23, 2018 | 05:14 PM
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Ah, all this makes sense
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Old Apr 23, 2018 | 05:18 PM
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Ah, all this makes sense
The Gulia is an impressive car. Idk how much I trust driving around an Italian Car as a daily driver for 2-3 years with limited tech knowledge in the states.
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Old Apr 23, 2018 | 05:55 PM
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R compounds didnt hurt for the Alfa.

I dont know if the E63S has been run yet.
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Old Apr 23, 2018 | 07:57 PM
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R compounds didnt hurt for the Alfa.

I dont know if the E63S has been run yet.
p zero coras are not R compound.

insanely aggressive 60 treadwear? sure, but r compound aren't street legal.
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Old Apr 23, 2018 | 08:39 PM
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Based on the Nuremberg result ... 7:32???

wouldnt the w213 or new m5 beat that car?
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Look at #43 & #57. I realize this is a Car & Driver Lighting Lap comparison & not the Ring but it does illustrate that the big fat E63S can put down a decent road course time.
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ry-car-feature
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Originally Posted by tipsyhemi
p zero coras are not R compound.

insanely aggressive 60 treadwear? sure, but r compound aren't street legal.
Oh yeah duh, my bad (Ive been on the M4 boards so much and confused the materials still LOL), but still a stickier tire that what we get on our cars from the factory.

60 tw means that tire probably lasts ... not much.
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Old Apr 23, 2018 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
Based on the Nuremberg result ... 7:32???

wouldnt the w213 or new m5 beat that car?
Nürburgring... As others have said it is a quick car, much lighter, good tires and balanced handling. I don't see it as a competitor to the E63. Kind of a 'tweener in size between C/E class or 3/5er. Still no quicker sedan out there, esp in its price range.
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Old Apr 24, 2018 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
Based on the Nuremberg result ... 7:32???

wouldnt the w213 or new m5 beat that car?
If the W213 E63S wagon lapped the Ring in 7:45, it is almost certain the sedan could be inside the 7:32 mark... watch the wagon lap, too... seems he could have been a bit quicker if he had taken a few corners better. It is interesting that nobody has taken the E63S sedan for a hot lap... I would love to see that and the M5 run by the same driver on the same day for a hot lap time.
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Originally Posted by tipsyhemi
p zero coras are not R compound.

insanely aggressive 60 treadwear? sure, but r compound aren't street legal.
There are plenty of R compound DOT approved (“street legal”) tires.
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Old Apr 24, 2018 | 12:47 PM
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tipsy - you must be tipsy R compounds are street legal
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Originally Posted by tipsyhemi
p zero coras are not R compound.

insanely aggressive 60 treadwear? sure, but r compound aren't street legal.
Actually, per SCCA regulations, anything sub 200 (used to be 140 UTQG) is considered an R compound...

Pirelli Trofeo R is another 60 UTQG tire (Corsas come on the Giulia) - When it was introduced on the 5th Gen Camaro z28, they had to leave the bead seating edges of the wheels unfinished because under braking the tire would spin ON THE RIM from friction with the road surface.

Corsa, Trofeo, Pilot Sport Cup 2 are all streetable R compounds

Next level would be purple crack hoo hoo a7/r7 and your lesser performing "slicks"
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Alfa can be very fast .. to display Check Engine light
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Alfa can be very fast .. to display Check Engine light
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Why is this even a question?

I dont think any AMG sedan will touch that on the nurburgring.
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Old Oct 9, 2018 | 10:42 AM
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Why is this even a question?

I dont think any AMG sedan will touch that on the nurburgring.
because I'm not as smart as you, that's why I asked.
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Why is this even a question?

I dont think any AMG sedan will touch that on the nurburgring.
Seriously who cares about the nurburgring ? You guys need to get out and drive what ya have and learn how to use the car properly.
Driving in straight lines and worrying about 1/4 mi. times is not what these cars are about.. A clapped out Honda Civic with some work will smoke the best AMG E63s in the 1/4 for the price of a AMG turbo up grade alone.
Find a mountain pass / canyon and enjoy the best sedan/wagon on the road..
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Old Oct 9, 2018 | 06:25 PM
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because I'm not as smart as you, that's why I asked.
You sure are overly sensitive
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60 tw tires that chunk in less than 10 laps around a short track. That's the Alfa's parlor trick.
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