My E63 Wagon buyback
09-24-2018 | 02:32 PM
#26
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I have not heard anything about if the S63 AMG's are affected or for that matter even the 2018 S560's which have a detuned version of the E63 AMG 4.0 motor with just 463 HP. Nothing on the forums to indicate anyone with either one of these cars has had this check engine light issue.
Just think about it logically - the E63 shares its engine with C63, S63, G63, etc. AND this seems to be a engine problem, so its safe to associate this issue with this particular engine , not with any one particular model. That being said, it seems majority of engines function normally, otherwise they would stop production.
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09-24-2018 | 02:46 PM
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I have a friend with a W205 C63 AMG S - comes with that detuned engine version you mention above - labelled M176. He has had same issues as described here on this forum multiple times - CEL; for him - cylinders 5 and 6 misfire. His cars been in the shop three times since 2017. First time they changed coil packs, second time changed spark plugs; third time they changed injectors. That is just one example. Also, many people driving these cars do not participate on the forums.
Just think about it logically - the E63 shares its engine with C63, S63, G63, etc. AND this seems to be a engine problem, so its safe to associate this issue with this particular engine , not with one any particular model. That being said, it seems majority of engines function normally, otherwise they would stop production.
Just think about it logically - the E63 shares its engine with C63, S63, G63, etc. AND this seems to be a engine problem, so its safe to associate this issue with this particular engine , not with one any particular model. That being said, it seems majority of engines function normally, otherwise they would stop production.
09-24-2018 | 03:09 PM
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09-24-2018 | 03:19 PM
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09-24-2018 | 04:00 PM
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Exactly--- Only people within MBUSA know warranty claims from the dealer (the true number vs the number sold). But I digress as I can only say this so many times... its the internet and a forum which is a microcosm of the ownership in totality. Further, bad news will always be posted vs those that are enjoying their cars with no issues.
and again, not here to discredit those who have had issues but instead to say there are that many more that are enjoying their cars with no probs.
09-24-2018 | 04:31 PM
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Exactly--- Only people within MBUSA know warranty claims from the dealer (the true number vs the number sold). But I digress as I can only say this so many times... its the internet and a forum which is a microcosm of the ownership in totality. Further, bad news will always be posted vs those that are enjoying their cars with no issues.
and again, not here to discredit those who have had issues but instead to say there are that many more that are enjoying their cars with no probs.
and again, not here to discredit those who have had issues but instead to say there are that many more that are enjoying their cars with no probs.
Same thing for our satellite broadband user forum. There we know exactly how many users there are on the satellite vs how many folks are showing up on the forums and which have real issues versus simple how to use the system questions. Happy users are always under represented.
How many healthy people check in to the hospital just to say hi? Not many
To be clear, I'm not upset or disgruntled about the CEL on my car. I'm giving the dealer a fair shot at repairs. As an engineer who's worked on a variety of systems I do find it interesting that a number of people are reporting the same 1/6 misfire codes. I'm curious about what the root cause ends up being. Who knows, might even be a software bug.
09-24-2018 | 10:46 PM
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You'd sure think MB would having engineers working on this issue full time if they are smart, it can't be cheap for them in buying cars back nor good for their reputation. I still have this feeling it might be something to do with cylinder compression imbalance or at least the computer seeing that there is a imbalance even though there may not be.
09-25-2018 | 10:19 AM
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It was the fuel injectors on mine. Going on three wheels without an issue.
Hope they found the issue. I agree that MB should get out in front of the issue the lack of transparency makes it more of a concern.
If they issued a bulletin it would be helpful.
Hope they found the issue. I agree that MB should get out in front of the issue the lack of transparency makes it more of a concern.
If they issued a bulletin it would be helpful.
09-25-2018 | 10:40 PM
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Yes most companies would have a TSB out by now on the issue. I don't believe they do. So far I've covered 11,500 miles no issue. I just sure hope its not something like the the injectors carboning up or something although it sounds like a lot of the cars affected have a lot fewer miles than my car when the issue comes up.
09-26-2018 | 11:00 AM
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I received mine back yesterday. They checked the cylinder bores, compression, leak down test, etc etc. In the end, the concluded it was the injectors and replaced three of them. We'll see if it succeeds.
09-26-2018 | 12:08 PM
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Looks like from the Mercedes Me driving journal they test drove my car several times yesterday and started it once so far today. So hopefully they're successfully wrapping up the five cold start/drive cycles they wanted to do.
Fingers crossed I'll get the car back later today or tomorrow. Will report on what they find.
Fingers crossed I'll get the car back later today or tomorrow. Will report on what they find.
09-26-2018 | 12:15 PM
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Hopefully the injectors are gonna do it for you both you guys. It's a shame people who have had to get rid of these cars. I think with me if this does happen I'll give it more time to get ironed out as i like the car so much. There is a reason for everything and good things generally come in time. I don't know what I'd replace car with, I really like having a Wagon and there is really no other choice other than the Porsche wagon which I think is 160K or more for the faster turbo model.
09-26-2018 | 12:19 PM
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This is good news that it seems that the problem is isolated to fuel injectors. My problem occurred at less than 1,000 miles so it would seem to be a manufacturing defect and or bad design. You would like to believe this is a fixable problem.
12-21-2019 | 11:45 AM
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I ordered my car approximately one year ago after searching for a configurable allocation. Once I decided on the options the car was ordered and the wait began. After a delay due to a brake parts issue the car was delivered the middle of February 2018.
My car had its first CEL at almost 2000 miles in May. The dealer was accommodating and provided a loaner car. After three weeks the car was ready for pickup. I saw a few injectors and bunch of tests on the paperwork. Car ran great and I was happy.
The second CEL happened in the middle of July at 3000 miles. Same routine at the dealer. Pretty much the same repair procedure. The car was down for another 3 weeks. A case with AMG was opened by the dealer the first time the car was in for repairs.
The third episode began almost immediately after picking up the car the second week of August. I had already been in contact with MBZ corporate after the first CEL so I reached out to the same people and voiced my desire to rid myself of this problem.
MBZ quickly agreed to my buyback request and moved the process along fairly quickly. Total time from them agreeing to the buyback to today was around one month. They were very professional and reasonably fair with me.
The agreement was basically all monies paid minus $1/ mike for the 3000 miles. This included any deposits, taxes and payments made by me. The only thing I wasn't happy about was their unwillingness to reimburse for the Ceramic coat and Ceramic window tint. I removed a few accessories that I could and will list them here for sale.
All in all this wasn't a horrible experience. I was put through a lot worse ten years ago when Lemon Law'ing a Lexus. I could have probably negotiated more on the miles but overall I'm happy.
My car had its first CEL at almost 2000 miles in May. The dealer was accommodating and provided a loaner car. After three weeks the car was ready for pickup. I saw a few injectors and bunch of tests on the paperwork. Car ran great and I was happy.
The second CEL happened in the middle of July at 3000 miles. Same routine at the dealer. Pretty much the same repair procedure. The car was down for another 3 weeks. A case with AMG was opened by the dealer the first time the car was in for repairs.
The third episode began almost immediately after picking up the car the second week of August. I had already been in contact with MBZ corporate after the first CEL so I reached out to the same people and voiced my desire to rid myself of this problem.
MBZ quickly agreed to my buyback request and moved the process along fairly quickly. Total time from them agreeing to the buyback to today was around one month. They were very professional and reasonably fair with me.
The agreement was basically all monies paid minus $1/ mike for the 3000 miles. This included any deposits, taxes and payments made by me. The only thing I wasn't happy about was their unwillingness to reimburse for the Ceramic coat and Ceramic window tint. I removed a few accessories that I could and will list them here for sale.
All in all this wasn't a horrible experience. I was put through a lot worse ten years ago when Lemon Law'ing a Lexus. I could have probably negotiated more on the miles but overall I'm happy.
Last edited by nazyg; 12-22-2019 at 10:16 AM.
