Skipping
10-27-2018, 04:56 AM
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Skipping
So, big twist in situation.
Yesterday the weather got worse over here in UK, much colder and much wetter.
I started the car, reversed and boom, this almighty noise and judder like I had gone over a big pothole.
Family were alarmed but car seemed to carry on without any further issues.
I phoned the dealer and agreed to see them today. Got in the car this morning, weather even worse and had some massive ‘skids/slips’ when turning full lock on both turning corners and reversing.
I get to the dealer and he nods his head immediately, calls it ‘skipping’ and agrees it’s a known issue with C, E class and particularly the GLC’s.
Supposedly it’s a combination of the 4WD system, low profile/hard compound tyres and low temperatures.
I was stunned that this was being admitted as an issue that they couldn’t rectify! He assured me it wasn’t a safety issue but not good nevertheless.
The dealer is a good guy and is going to raise a investigation to see if they can get me a free set of winter tyres as supposedly that helps it but this is mental for a £100k car!!!
I’m mystified, his story does add up as I had the E63 out on test in the summer and didn’t have an issue then.
Really disappointing as I am truly loving the car but this is a joke!
I thought I had done my due diligence and am kicking myself more than anything I didn’t know about it beforehand!
Yesterday the weather got worse over here in UK, much colder and much wetter.
I started the car, reversed and boom, this almighty noise and judder like I had gone over a big pothole.
Family were alarmed but car seemed to carry on without any further issues.
I phoned the dealer and agreed to see them today. Got in the car this morning, weather even worse and had some massive ‘skids/slips’ when turning full lock on both turning corners and reversing.
I get to the dealer and he nods his head immediately, calls it ‘skipping’ and agrees it’s a known issue with C, E class and particularly the GLC’s.
Supposedly it’s a combination of the 4WD system, low profile/hard compound tyres and low temperatures.
I was stunned that this was being admitted as an issue that they couldn’t rectify! He assured me it wasn’t a safety issue but not good nevertheless.
The dealer is a good guy and is going to raise a investigation to see if they can get me a free set of winter tyres as supposedly that helps it but this is mental for a £100k car!!!
I’m mystified, his story does add up as I had the E63 out on test in the summer and didn’t have an issue then.
Really disappointing as I am truly loving the car but this is a joke!
I thought I had done my due diligence and am kicking myself more than anything I didn’t know about it beforehand!
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10-27-2018, 05:46 AM
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Unfortunately, this is a characteristic of summer tires when the ambient road temperatures get below 45 degrees Fahrenheit. You need to change to either all-season or winter tires. I've ordered a set of Bridgestone UHP all-season tires to be installed next week. I'm not truly understanding why MB does not offer all-season tires as an option for for the E63S for those of us who are not interested in tracking our vehicles.
10-27-2018, 06:23 AM
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Unfortunately, this is a characteristic of summer tires when the ambient road temperatures get below 45 degrees Fahrenheit. You need to change to either all-season or winter tires. I've ordered a set of Bridgestone UHP all-season tires to be installed next week. I'm not truly understanding why MB does not offer all-season tires as an option for for the E63S for those of us who are not interested in tracking our vehicles.
Ill have a look at the Bridgestones, thanks
10-27-2018, 10:25 AM
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This also happened with my previous car - Porsche Cayman - when it was cold weather + summer tire combo. This also occurs in 991.1 (not sure about 991.2) Porsche 911's .
10-27-2018, 11:21 AM
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Are you talking about an issue when the surface is wet and cold and when wheels are fully turned in one or either side and at low speed, there is weird sound is coming? I noticed that only when it's wet around, I thought about some issue but then noticed if you will turn on "drift mode" this sound is gone that means this is like front axle works...
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10-27-2018, 12:33 PM
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I believe you should buy a Y rating model instead of a W for all season tires.
what kind of sound/feeling is that you described as i did not understand exactly what happened?
i live in a general hot country, but can get rainy winters and temperatures normally go to 0 to -5ºC at its peak. never used winter tires but i'm curious to know about these issues
what kind of sound/feeling is that you described as i did not understand exactly what happened?
i live in a general hot country, but can get rainy winters and temperatures normally go to 0 to -5ºC at its peak. never used winter tires but i'm curious to know about these issues
10-27-2018, 12:38 PM
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We had this happen when driving the car after delivery in Germany last November. Temps in the upper 30s lower 40s much of the trip with rain and drizzle. Some snow thrown in too.
Was a bit worried because by German law we were supposed to have winter tires on the car, but it was delivered with Pirelli summer tires. My dear and the tech at delivery told us that as long as we didn't get stuck and cause a problem in traffic we were unlikely to be ticketed.
So, summer tires in cold wet conditions, much as you describe.
Having driven a variety of 4x4 vehicles off and on road with a mix of limited slip axles and locking differentials, the skipping felt kind of similar to what happens when turning tightly in them. Try a tight turn in a 2 door jeep with full lockers on dry pavement sometime ;-) You get to enjoy both the front and rear skipping big time.
What I think is happening with the E63S is similar in that the inside tire is turning a smaller radius than the outer tire so needs to turn at a different rate, it's also turned at a tighter angle and it almost feels as if it's a combination of the tire being pushed forward at the same time as rotationally skipping.
You can feel it to some degree on dry pavement too, but maybe there's enough grip on warm dry pavement to force the differential to slip enough to absorb the difference till you straighten the wheels.
Back home in San Diego, I notice that the rear skips when I turn out of my office in the evenings even in comfort mode when the drive train is still cold. It's a hard right and the inside tire slips a couple of times as I'm straightening out even though I'm not stepping on the throttle that hard.
Was a bit worried because by German law we were supposed to have winter tires on the car, but it was delivered with Pirelli summer tires. My dear and the tech at delivery told us that as long as we didn't get stuck and cause a problem in traffic we were unlikely to be ticketed.
So, summer tires in cold wet conditions, much as you describe.
Having driven a variety of 4x4 vehicles off and on road with a mix of limited slip axles and locking differentials, the skipping felt kind of similar to what happens when turning tightly in them. Try a tight turn in a 2 door jeep with full lockers on dry pavement sometime ;-) You get to enjoy both the front and rear skipping big time.
What I think is happening with the E63S is similar in that the inside tire is turning a smaller radius than the outer tire so needs to turn at a different rate, it's also turned at a tighter angle and it almost feels as if it's a combination of the tire being pushed forward at the same time as rotationally skipping.
You can feel it to some degree on dry pavement too, but maybe there's enough grip on warm dry pavement to force the differential to slip enough to absorb the difference till you straighten the wheels.
Back home in San Diego, I notice that the rear skips when I turn out of my office in the evenings even in comfort mode when the drive train is still cold. It's a hard right and the inside tire slips a couple of times as I'm straightening out even though I'm not stepping on the throttle that hard.
10-27-2018, 12:45 PM
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We had this happen when driving the car after delivery in Germany last November. Temps in the upper 30s lower 40s much of the trip with rain and drizzle. Some snow thrown in too.
Was a bit worried because by German law we were supposed to have winter tires on the car, but it was delivered with Pirelli summer tires. My dear and the tech at delivery told us that as long as we didn't get stuck and cause a problem in traffic we were unlikely to be ticketed.
So, summer tires in cold wet conditions, much as you describe.
Having driven a variety of 4x4 vehicles off and on road with a mix of limited slip axles and locking differentials, the skipping felt kind of similar to what happens when turning tightly in them. Try a tight turn in a 2 door jeep with full lockers on dry pavement sometime ;-) You get to enjoy both the front and rear skipping big time.
What I think is happening with the E63S is similar in that the inside tire is turning a smaller radius than the outer tire so needs to turn at a different rate, it's also turned at a tighter angle and it almost feels as if it's a combination of the tire being pushed forward at the same time as rotationally skipping.
You can feel it to some degree on dry pavement too, but maybe there's enough grip on warm dry pavement to force the differential to slip enough to absorb the difference till you straighten the wheels.
Back home in San Diego, I notice that the rear skips when I turn out of my office in the evenings even in comfort mode when the drive train is still cold. It's a hard right and the inside tire slips a couple of times as I'm straightening out even though I'm not stepping on the throttle that hard.
Was a bit worried because by German law we were supposed to have winter tires on the car, but it was delivered with Pirelli summer tires. My dear and the tech at delivery told us that as long as we didn't get stuck and cause a problem in traffic we were unlikely to be ticketed.
So, summer tires in cold wet conditions, much as you describe.
Having driven a variety of 4x4 vehicles off and on road with a mix of limited slip axles and locking differentials, the skipping felt kind of similar to what happens when turning tightly in them. Try a tight turn in a 2 door jeep with full lockers on dry pavement sometime ;-) You get to enjoy both the front and rear skipping big time.
What I think is happening with the E63S is similar in that the inside tire is turning a smaller radius than the outer tire so needs to turn at a different rate, it's also turned at a tighter angle and it almost feels as if it's a combination of the tire being pushed forward at the same time as rotationally skipping.
You can feel it to some degree on dry pavement too, but maybe there's enough grip on warm dry pavement to force the differential to slip enough to absorb the difference till you straighten the wheels.
Back home in San Diego, I notice that the rear skips when I turn out of my office in the evenings even in comfort mode when the drive train is still cold. It's a hard right and the inside tire slips a couple of times as I'm straightening out even though I'm not stepping on the throttle that hard.
10-27-2018, 02:11 PM
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It was pretty dire today with the dealer. I started to full lock/turn to the right and just did circles and it continually skipped non stop.
The other concern of course is how much this will wear the tyres?
The other concern of course is how much this will wear the tyres?
10-27-2018, 03:18 PM
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I believe you should buy a Y rating model instead of a W for all season tires.
what kind of sound/feeling is that you described as i did not understand exactly what happened?
i live in a general hot country, but can get rainy winters and temperatures normally go to 0 to -5ºC at its peak. never used winter tires but i'm curious to know about these issues
what kind of sound/feeling is that you described as i did not understand exactly what happened?
i live in a general hot country, but can get rainy winters and temperatures normally go to 0 to -5ºC at its peak. never used winter tires but i'm curious to know about these issues
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10-28-2018, 08:27 AM
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Unfortunately, this is a characteristic of summer tires when the ambient road temperatures get below 45 degrees Fahrenheit. You need to change to either all-season or winter tires. I've ordered a set of Bridgestone UHP all-season tires to be installed next week. I'm not truly understanding why MB does not offer all-season tires as an option for for the E63S for those of us who are not interested in tracking our vehicles.
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Wheel hop on my w212 when I had summers ... switched to high perf Conti dws and no issues
i have an ams tune therefore make more hp. And torque at the wheels than a stock w213 amg and they handle fine ... hook up and hold me in the turns very well ... no wheel hop and actually decent in snow
i have an ams tune therefore make more hp. And torque at the wheels than a stock w213 amg and they handle fine ... hook up and hold me in the turns very well ... no wheel hop and actually decent in snow
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So, big twist in situation.
Yesterday the weather got worse over here in UK, much colder and much wetter.
I started the car, reversed and boom, this almighty noise and judder like I had gone over a big pothole.
Family were alarmed but car seemed to carry on without any further issues.
I phoned the dealer and agreed to see them today. Got in the car this morning, weather even worse and had some massive ‘skids/slips’ when turning full lock on both turning corners and reversing.
I get to the dealer and he nods his head immediately, calls it ‘skipping’ and agrees it’s a known issue with C, E class and particularly the GLC’s.
Supposedly it’s a combination of the 4WD system, low profile/hard compound tyres and low temperatures.
I was stunned that this was being admitted as an issue that they couldn’t rectify! He assured me it wasn’t a safety issue but not good nevertheless.
The dealer is a good guy and is going to raise a investigation to see if they can get me a free set of winter tyres as supposedly that helps it but this is mental for a £100k car!!!
I’m mystified, his story does add up as I had the E63 out on test in the summer and didn’t have an issue then.
Really disappointing as I am truly loving the car but this is a joke!
I thought I had done my due diligence and am kicking myself more than anything I didn’t know about it beforehand!
Yesterday the weather got worse over here in UK, much colder and much wetter.
I started the car, reversed and boom, this almighty noise and judder like I had gone over a big pothole.
Family were alarmed but car seemed to carry on without any further issues.
I phoned the dealer and agreed to see them today. Got in the car this morning, weather even worse and had some massive ‘skids/slips’ when turning full lock on both turning corners and reversing.
I get to the dealer and he nods his head immediately, calls it ‘skipping’ and agrees it’s a known issue with C, E class and particularly the GLC’s.
Supposedly it’s a combination of the 4WD system, low profile/hard compound tyres and low temperatures.
I was stunned that this was being admitted as an issue that they couldn’t rectify! He assured me it wasn’t a safety issue but not good nevertheless.
The dealer is a good guy and is going to raise a investigation to see if they can get me a free set of winter tyres as supposedly that helps it but this is mental for a £100k car!!!
I’m mystified, his story does add up as I had the E63 out on test in the summer and didn’t have an issue then.
Really disappointing as I am truly loving the car but this is a joke!
I thought I had done my due diligence and am kicking myself more than anything I didn’t know about it beforehand!
summer tires are for certain temps... if they are wheel hopping then they aren't safe in that temp to drive and you should switch to all season or winter tires for your and other drivers' safety
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10-29-2018, 03:09 PM
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There is basically no selection of all-season tires with Y rating. W rating is good for 145 mph. I don't think that I would be even approaching that speed during the winter or any other time. The temp in NC got down to 0 degrees Fahrenheit several times last year. At those temperatures, the summer tires will crack.
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Happens to my 911 every winter when it's exposed to anything under 40F for any period of time long enough to cool down the interior of the car. The tires are too hard for the weather. Its perfectly normal behavior and actually a good thing imo because it tells you you're outside the normal operating range of the tires. I don't bother with winter tires here in Houston because weather like that never stays around for more than a few days at a time but if you're in the UK you might be well served investing in a set of alipns.
11-10-2018, 05:07 AM
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I had these installed on new OEM wheels this week. My first impressions.are that they are a bit quieter on rough asphalt than the Michelin PS4s that I removed, much quieter on smooth surfaces. Handling seems about the same and the car tracks like it's on rails, I may just leave these on all year (they are all-season) if my first impressions last. It's going to be below freezing this weekend so I get to see how they feel in cold weather, but I don't expect much difference. The appearance of the tires on the wheels look better than the PS4S especially the rear tires (295-30/R20). The PS4s always looked like the wheel was significantly recessed from the tire compared to the front tires. These look the same.
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11-10-2018, 06:06 AM
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I had these installed on new OEM wheels this week. My first impressions.are that they are a bit quieter on rough asphalt than the Michelin PS4s that I removed, much quieter on smooth surfaces. Handling seems about the same and the car tracks like it's on rails, I may just leave these on all year (they are all-seaon) if my first impressions last. It's going to be below freezing this weekend so I get to see how they feel in cold weather, but I don't expect much difference. The appearance of the tires on the wheels look better than the PS4S especially the rear tires (295-30/R20). The PS4s always looked like the wheel was significantly recessed from the tire compared to the front tires. These look the same.
11-10-2018, 09:39 AM
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Continental DWS06's...
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11-10-2018, 10:46 AM
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I agree with HBerman: DWS06 is not available in 295/30R20 and reducing rear to 285/30R20 worries me, as this car is AWD; it requires identical diameters front and back. Correct staggered would be 255/35R20 Front and 285/30R20 Rear. Or go square as mentioned above. But why not choose OEM size when its available in the Potenzas - there will be a very minimal price difference, if any, and the Potenza has had great response so far by critics.
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I had these installed on new OEM wheels this week. My first impressions.are that they are a bit quieter on rough asphalt than the Michelin PS4s that I removed, much quieter on smooth surfaces. Handling seems about the same and the car tracks like it's on rails, I may just leave these on all year (they are all-season) if my first impressions last. It's going to be below freezing this weekend so I get to see how they feel in cold weather, but I don't expect much difference. The appearance of the tires on the wheels look better than the PS4S especially the rear tires (295-30/R20). The PS4s always looked like the wheel was significantly recessed from the tire compared to the front tires. These look the same.
