Is a E63 a good daily driver?
12-10-2018, 04:34 PM
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I think one issue for me is I drive with hand controls and found the throttle very sensitive therefore getting a not so smooth transition accelerating, plus the trans is kind of jerky. Personally I like dual clutch transmittions better as used in VW's and Porsches or just a plain torque converter trans as used in both my E450's, very happy with the way those shift. For me the E63 was just too raw and in your face, but that's my personal opinion. The E450's I have now I can more closely relate them to the S Class, silky smooth and nice and comfortable to drive. 63I think anyone looking into a E63 AMG should take a drive in a E450 either Sedan, Cabriolet or Wagon and compare. My White 2019 E450 Wagon I have now was a Sticker of 80 grand, got the car for 70 grand. The 2018 E63 AMG I had was a sticker of 123 grand and got the car for 116 grand so that is a $46K difference, that is a lot of money. The OE tune will be around a grand so 45K difference then.
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12-10-2018, 05:25 PM
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Whats the reason for the switch to begin with? You looking for more of a drivers car/nimble/quick? Its a world of a difference from an S Class. I was driving my W213/E63 today and for a brief moment I wondered if life would be better in an S63 vs an E63...but then I went back to driving my E63. I feel like most people make the switch because they want a more responsive, fun commute.
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12-10-2018, 08:10 PM
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I think one issue for me is I drive with hand controls and found the throttle very sensitive therefore getting a not so smooth transition accelerating, plus the trans is kind of jerky. Personally I like dual clutch transmittions better as used in VW's and Porsches or just a plain torque converter trans as used in both my E450's, very happy with the way those shift. For me the E63 was just too raw and in your face, but that's my personal opinion. The E450's I have now I can more closely relate them to the S Class, silky smooth and nice and comfortable to drive. 63I think anyone looking into a E63 AMG should take a drive in a E450 either Sedan, Cabriolet or Wagon and compare. My White 2019 E450 Wagon I have now was a Sticker of 80 grand, got the car for 70 grand. The 2018 E63 AMG I had was a sticker of 123 grand and got the car for 116 grand so that is a $46K difference, that is a lot of money. The OE tune will be around a grand so 45K difference then.
12-10-2018, 08:57 PM
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I think one issue for me is I drive with hand controls and found the throttle very sensitive therefore getting a not so smooth transition accelerating, plus the trans is kind of jerky. Personally I like dual clutch transmittions better as used in VW's and Porsches or just a plain torque converter trans as used in both my E450's, very happy with the way those shift. For me the E63 was just too raw and in your face, but that's my personal opinion. The E450's I have now I can more closely relate them to the S Class, silky smooth and nice and comfortable to drive. 63I think anyone looking into a E63 AMG should take a drive in a E450 either Sedan, Cabriolet or Wagon and compare. My White 2019 E450 Wagon I have now was a Sticker of 80 grand, got the car for 70 grand. The 2018 E63 AMG I had was a sticker of 123 grand and got the car for 116 grand so that is a $46K difference, that is a lot of money. The OE tune will be around a grand so 45K difference then.
> I think one issue for me is I drive with hand controls
You drive a 600hp E63 AMG with hand controls? As in the kind used for handicap?
12-10-2018, 11:45 PM
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Yes, I had a 2012 E63 for 5 years with the same hand controls installed and never really had a issue and liked the car, but for whatever reason the 2018 was a lot more sensitive at the top of the pedal travel and made the car a lot more tricky to drive with the hand controls. I'd thought about trying a sprint booster and putting it on the least sensitive setting to see if that would help but never got around to it. There was just something with the car that did not work for me. It will be interesting to see if the person who bought it ends up on these forums and see how he/she likes the car. The dealer sold the car around a week ago in Florida.
12-17-2018, 07:41 PM
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You live in San Jose, I live in Chicago and have different experience.
Had to replace rotors in SL65 after just 8k miles, after 12k miles in S65, had zero issues with CCBs in CLS and E63 both over 50k miles.
Hard use in cold climate and frequent getting the brakes to very high temps do not go well together, they warp easily.
I would never ever order a car without ceramic brakes again.
Another comment to e55phil, I'm afraid 19" wheel will not fit over CCB rotors.
Had to replace rotors in SL65 after just 8k miles, after 12k miles in S65, had zero issues with CCBs in CLS and E63 both over 50k miles.
Hard use in cold climate and frequent getting the brakes to very high temps do not go well together, they warp easily.
I would never ever order a car without ceramic brakes again.
Another comment to e55phil, I'm afraid 19" wheel will not fit over CCB rotors.
12-18-2018, 09:22 AM
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I order cars with CCBs only now, still "abuse" them and have no problems whatsoever....
01-22-2019, 10:34 PM
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What kind of mpg/range are you guys getting?
I am considering it, but drive 20K/year, NJ (read - potholes), and don't want to be living at the gas station. I was hoping to be able to get 400 miles / tank, is this doable?
My drive is primarily suburbs, not too much stop/go...
thoughts?
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I am considering it, but drive 20K/year, NJ (read - potholes), and don't want to be living at the gas station. I was hoping to be able to get 400 miles / tank, is this doable?
My drive is primarily suburbs, not too much stop/go...
thoughts?
Aceman
01-22-2019, 11:47 PM
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Expect a little under 400 miles per tank or worse if you really are putting your foot into it a lot. Best I could get being real easy on the car was around a 22 mpg average on the highway and that was under ideal conditions. On average around 19 or 20 mpg. With my E450 Wagon with all the highway driving I do I can average 27 mpg or so which translates into around over 520 miles per tank, very happy with that.
01-23-2019, 09:41 AM
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I personally dont think CCB are a option worth getting if you wont track the car on a regular bases. I got my E63 to replace my GLS550, going to use it as a daily. I am in nyc area too, queens to be more specific.
01-23-2019, 12:20 PM
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What kind of mpg/range are you guys getting?
I am considering it, but drive 20K/year, NJ (read - potholes), and don't want to be living at the gas station. I was hoping to be able to get 400 miles / tank, is this doable?
My drive is primarily suburbs, not too much stop/go...
thoughts?
Aceman
I am considering it, but drive 20K/year, NJ (read - potholes), and don't want to be living at the gas station. I was hoping to be able to get 400 miles / tank, is this doable?
My drive is primarily suburbs, not too much stop/go...
thoughts?
Aceman
Much worse than my M6
01-23-2019, 12:40 PM
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I drive 22-25k miles a year, it’s my one daily driver.
I got 24 mpg on a long motorway run today. However, that was with the family, no putting foot down in Sport+.
My general style is a mix of hard driving, city driving and sedate motorway stuff.
I’m getting in general 350-370 miles from a tank.
I got 24 mpg on a long motorway run today. However, that was with the family, no putting foot down in Sport+.
My general style is a mix of hard driving, city driving and sedate motorway stuff.
I’m getting in general 350-370 miles from a tank.
01-23-2019, 01:15 PM
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I get around 12 mpg on my daily 4ish mile commute to work. When I do get out and about for longer drives the mileage goes up to 16+. I've seen low 20s mpg on highway runs.
I have the CCBs but no plans on tracking the car. I do take it nearby mountains for some fun driving.
No brake dust so that's a plus. Very happy with them.
I have the CCBs but no plans on tracking the car. I do take it nearby mountains for some fun driving.
No brake dust so that's a plus. Very happy with them.
01-23-2019, 01:52 PM
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While driving during the break in period. I was averaging 19 mpg (no highway driving) back and forth to work and some small indulgence on the country roads in upstate NY. Since breaking the 1000 mi mark, driving mostly in individual mode ( comfort suspension, sports + everything else) about 14 mpg with major indulgence on back roads. Highway driving would expect 22-25mpg.
01-23-2019, 01:57 PM
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I was very conservative breaking the car in the first 1000 miles. Now i have close to 2000 miles, a few long trips and mostly local driving. The average since the beginning is about 10-12 MPG. It is cold also which probably does not help. And except for the few multi hour trips my commute is only about 7 miles... I think long distances and as it breaks in more will get better and better, I am hopeful I can get to 19 MPG average one day.. But as others have said... it is more about relation to putting your foot in it...
01-23-2019, 05:23 PM
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As far as CCB's go, I wouldnt buy them from a performance or wear perspective. I'd buy them because the standard pads dust so badly that your wheels get a brownish, brake-dust induced hue on them after 30 miles.
I have a 2018 E63S that Ive driven for 8K miles. Im not 100% sold that its the best daily driver. Especially coming from an S-class, its night and day. It rides like a sports car. Comfort is not so comfortable, and I'd argue that it rides like a 991 TTS. If you want a car that has this ride quality and dont need the back seats, Id consider a 991 TTS or Audi R8 over this car. More performance and similar ride characteristics. If you need the back seats, its still the best option. I feel that the interior of the M5 is lackluster and the RS7 has a new body inbound next year. Panamera turbo is another consideration.....
I have a 2018 E63S that Ive driven for 8K miles. Im not 100% sold that its the best daily driver. Especially coming from an S-class, its night and day. It rides like a sports car. Comfort is not so comfortable, and I'd argue that it rides like a 991 TTS. If you want a car that has this ride quality and dont need the back seats, Id consider a 991 TTS or Audi R8 over this car. More performance and similar ride characteristics. If you need the back seats, its still the best option. I feel that the interior of the M5 is lackluster and the RS7 has a new body inbound next year. Panamera turbo is another consideration.....
01-24-2019, 08:16 AM
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As far as CCB's go, I wouldnt buy them from a performance or wear perspective. I'd buy them because the standard pads dust so badly that your wheels get a brownish, brake-dust induced hue on them after 30 miles.
I have a 2018 E63S that Ive driven for 8K miles. Im not 100% sold that its the best daily driver. Especially coming from an S-class, its night and day. It rides like a sports car. Comfort is not so comfortable, and I'd argue that it rides like a 991 TTS. If you want a car that has this ride quality and dont need the back seats, Id consider a 991 TTS or Audi R8 over this car. More performance and similar ride characteristics. If you need the back seats, its still the best option. I feel that the interior of the M5 is lackluster and the RS7 has a new body inbound next year. Panamera turbo is another consideration.....
I have a 2018 E63S that Ive driven for 8K miles. Im not 100% sold that its the best daily driver. Especially coming from an S-class, its night and day. It rides like a sports car. Comfort is not so comfortable, and I'd argue that it rides like a 991 TTS. If you want a car that has this ride quality and dont need the back seats, Id consider a 991 TTS or Audi R8 over this car. More performance and similar ride characteristics. If you need the back seats, its still the best option. I feel that the interior of the M5 is lackluster and the RS7 has a new body inbound next year. Panamera turbo is another consideration.....
I agree, the only advantage of CCB's other than using it for track purposes is decreasing the amount of brake dust. This car generates quite a bit of brake dust. I switched to carbon brake pads, this probably reduces the dust by 50%, still annoying.
Yes, this is a rough car for really no reason with today's technology. Even in comfort mode it is rough. I have owned both the 991tt and the R8, they ride about the same or even better in their respective comfort modes. The new M5 even rides better. With all that said, I didn't buy this car for its ride. All the other plus's way outweigh the ride quality for me.
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01-24-2019, 09:14 AM
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I agree, the only advantage of CCB's other than using it for track purposes is decreasing the amount of brake dust. This car generates quite a bit of brake dust. I switched to carbon brake pads, this probably reduces the dust by 50%, still annoying.
Yes, this is a rough car for really no reason with today's technology. Even in comfort mode it is rough. I have owned both the 991tt and the R8, they ride about the same or even better in their respective comfort modes. The new M5 even rides better. With all that said, I didn't buy this car for its ride. All the other plus's way outweigh the ride quality for me.
Yes, this is a rough car for really no reason with today's technology. Even in comfort mode it is rough. I have owned both the 991tt and the R8, they ride about the same or even better in their respective comfort modes. The new M5 even rides better. With all that said, I didn't buy this car for its ride. All the other plus's way outweigh the ride quality for me.
01-24-2019, 09:32 AM
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I don’t see why the 911 and R8 are being mentioned, they occupy a different space/category for me. The E63 should be compared to the M5 and RS6.
I also find the car a bit rough too, hoping the reduction to 19” wheels will help that but I too thought the pluses outweighed the minuses:
1. Estate version, RS6 couldn’t be ordered as it’s not in limbo prior to new version being released and M5 not having a touring class.
2. It looks amazing, got real character. I love the RS6 too but felt the M5 was bland and left me cold when I looked at it.
3. Love the interior, for me it is much classier and looks better than the M5 or RS6.
4. Sound and engine, by far and away better than the M5, much more character.
I can pick holes in the E63 all day long, actually probably more with Mercedes as I think they are behind the curve compared to BMW tech wise and customer service wise but I think people can pick holes in any car, there isn’t a perfect car out there.
That being said, I emotionally bought in to the E63 in a way that I didn’t with the M5 but admittedly, if I was in the market for a ‘sedan’, I think the M5 was a better choice, but practically wise, I need a bigger boot!
I also find the car a bit rough too, hoping the reduction to 19” wheels will help that but I too thought the pluses outweighed the minuses:
1. Estate version, RS6 couldn’t be ordered as it’s not in limbo prior to new version being released and M5 not having a touring class.
2. It looks amazing, got real character. I love the RS6 too but felt the M5 was bland and left me cold when I looked at it.
3. Love the interior, for me it is much classier and looks better than the M5 or RS6.
4. Sound and engine, by far and away better than the M5, much more character.
I can pick holes in the E63 all day long, actually probably more with Mercedes as I think they are behind the curve compared to BMW tech wise and customer service wise but I think people can pick holes in any car, there isn’t a perfect car out there.
That being said, I emotionally bought in to the E63 in a way that I didn’t with the M5 but admittedly, if I was in the market for a ‘sedan’, I think the M5 was a better choice, but practically wise, I need a bigger boot!
01-24-2019, 10:41 AM
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I don’t see why the 911 and R8 are being mentioned, they occupy a different space/category for me. The E63 should be compared to the M5 and RS6.
I also find the car a bit rough too, hoping the reduction to 19” wheels will help that but I too thought the pluses outweighed the minuses:
1. Estate version, RS6 couldn’t be ordered as it’s not in limbo prior to new version being released and M5 not having a touring class.
2. It looks amazing, got real character. I love the RS6 too but felt the M5 was bland and left me cold when I looked at it.
3. Love the interior, for me it is much classier and looks better than the M5 or RS6.
4. Sound and engine, by far and away better than the M5, much more character.
I can pick holes in the E63 all day long, actually probably more with Mercedes as I think they are behind the curve compared to BMW tech wise and customer service wise but I think people can pick holes in any car, there isn’t a perfect car out there.
That being said, I emotionally bought in to the E63 in a way that I didn’t with the M5 but admittedly, if I was in the market for a ‘sedan’, I think the M5 was a better choice, but practically wise, I need a bigger boot!
01-24-2019, 12:43 PM
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Firstly, when I talked about customer service, actually what I meant was I think they get the customer base better and have adopted tech in a much more user friendly way, akin to the old ‘apple’ v ‘andriod’ comparisons.
Having had a few BMW’s and Audi’s, the BMW stuff ‘just works’, it doesn’t take 3 steps where one will do.
Even it’s 3rd party integration is good, for example using dragon drive messaging was a joy, you could talk the message out but could also edit it on screen. While there are safety aspects to that, it was great for me. Media services, particularly Napster integration has been excellent, way way before Merc got Tidal which is rubbish unless you have MBUX and I’ve still not heard any good reports about that.
Specifically I like the following:
1. Sat Nav is excellent, it’s 3D maps are actually 3D where I don’t get anywhere near the same quality in my E63. It’s also really user friendly. In the Merc I now use google maps because the main system is so ‘faffy’
2. Wireless car play, well before anyone else. Split screen with car play is good as well.
3. Their online entertainment is great, I loved using Napster in the car, much wider functionality than the apps in car play.
4. Their parking function now has that really cool 3D visual, which while not massively useful is pretty cool
5. Microsoft Exhange in the car! Not like the BS we get from Merc about In Car Office
6. More stuff available in the UK. I wasn’t allowed to get heated rear seats, massage seats , acoustic glass which you can get as standard in the M5 in the UK
7. HUD - it had more integration with the media services in my X5 than the MB does and now it has 3D visuals which is cool! In the MB you can see radio stations but in the BMW it worked with things like Napster.
8. Remote heating!! A big bug bear of mine! You can’t get it for the MB in the UK, doesn’t seem to be an issue for BMW though!!
9. Touchscreens - debatable as to whether people want them but it’s taken MB years to get to the party! Touchscreen for CarPlay is a must in my view
Overall, I find the idrive, simpler with more reliable tech that actually works. Even down the the fact that MB currently are operating 2 apps rather than one for all their remote tech stuff, reallly annoying!!
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