E63 S Sedan vs Wagon ride harshness?
I'm cross shopping M5, M5 comp, and E63 S. Yesterday I test drove the M5 standard and Comp, I found both to be a bit too harsh on moderately poor roads. A number of reviews of the E63 S Sedan have mentioned it has a very harsh ride as well. I started reading/viewing reviews on the E63 S Wagon and noticed some of those reviews say the ride is reasonably comfortable (in comfort setting of course) for the kind of car it is. A while back I drove the Panamera 4s and 4s Sports Turisomo back-to-back and the ride quality was nearly identical.
Does anyone have first hand knowledge of wether the E63 S Wagon drives less harshly than the Sedan? |
The ride harshness is also subject to tire pressure as well. Most of us here have settled down to whatever pressure that is suitable for their preference.
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Not a direct comparison, but my initial impressions on the E63 Wagon is that it rides a lot smoother than my prior 2018 M3 Competition package car.
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Originally Posted by Kwilks
(Post 7726058)
I'm cross shopping M5, M5 comp, and E63 S. Yesterday I test drove the M5 standard and Comp, I found both to be a bit too harsh on moderately poor roads. A number of reviews of the E63 S Sedan have mentioned it has a very harsh ride as well. I started reading/viewing reviews on the E63 S Wagon and noticed some of those reviews say the ride is reasonably comfortable (in comfort setting of course) for the kind of car it is. A while back I drove the Panamera 4s and 4s Sports Turisomo back-to-back and the ride quality was nearly identical.
Does anyone have first hand knowledge of wether the E63 S Wagon drives less harshly than the Sedan? |
I've driven all of the cars mentioned and I have a '19 E63 Wagon... To me, the Panamera 4s with air suspension rides the best of the 3 models. Sport Turismo comes with air suspension standard if I'm not mistaken.
The M5 and even the Comp, rides better than the E63 sedan and wagon. While I agree the E63 wagon rides better than the sedan, it's still harsher for sharper bumps vs the M5/M5 Comp |
Originally Posted by Kwilks
(Post 7726058)
I'm cross shopping M5, M5 comp, and E63 S. Yesterday I test drove the M5 standard and Comp, I found both to be a bit too harsh on moderately poor roads. A number of reviews of the E63 S Sedan have mentioned it has a very harsh ride as well. I started reading/viewing reviews on the E63 S Wagon and noticed some of those reviews say the ride is reasonably comfortable (in comfort setting of course) for the kind of car it is. A while back I drove the Panamera 4s and 4s Sports Turisomo back-to-back and the ride quality was nearly identical.
Does anyone have first hand knowledge of wether the E63 S Wagon drives less harshly than the Sedan? 1) Porsche Panamera - best ride quality by a large margin. 2) BMW M5 3) Mercedes E63S In my opinion the M5 has noticeably better ride quality than the E63S. The ride quality in my E63S is even worse than my 911 Turbo S. It is a car which really demand good roads. This is assuming all cars are on 20" wheels. |
Originally Posted by stealth.pilot
(Post 7726560)
I have driven all three and I own the E63S. If I were to rank ride quality:
1) Porsche Panamera - best ride quality by a large margin. 2) BMW M5 3) Mercedes E63S In my opinion the M5 has noticeably better ride quality than the E63S. The ride quality in my E63S is even worse than my 911 Turbo S. It is a car which really demand good roads. This is assuming all cars are on 20" wheels. I guess they they could have made comfort mode a little less bone breaking but ultimately I’m still happy since the whole package offsets the ride quality issue as far as I’m concerned. |
I think everyone should post their tire pressures and general road quality when opining on ride characteristics, it really makes a huge difference. Dealer put my tires at 51 all around recenlty, which btw is appropriate for a fully loaded (passenger and cargo) wagon going up to 180kmh, and the ride felt like concrete on local roads that need repaving (think 1-2 inch deep potholes and a lot of surface imperfections) roads.
I switched to 41 all around because there are normally 2-3 people in the car (1 or 2 of them being children), limited cargo, and nowhere near speed limits that high. The ride quality got noticeably better - more 'give' on potholes, less noise on road imperfections. It's not a luxury ride by any means, but significantly more livable. |
Originally Posted by Dagger9903
(Post 7727155)
I think everyone should post their tire pressures and general road quality when opining on ride characteristics, it really makes a huge difference. Dealer put my tires at 51 all around recenlty, which btw is appropriate for a fully loaded (passenger and cargo) wagon going up to 180kmh, and the ride felt like concrete on local roads that need repaving (think 1-2 inch deep potholes and a lot of surface imperfections) roads.
I switched to 41 all around because there are normally 2-3 people in the car (1 or 2 of them being children), limited cargo, and nowhere near speed limits that high. The ride quality got noticeably better - more 'give' on potholes, less noise on road imperfections. It's not a luxury ride by any means, but significantly more livable. |
Thanks to all for your input. Today I drove the E63 S sedan and wagon and found both too be too harsh for my liking. Both were fantastic in so many ways, I preferred the wagon but it drove the same as the sedan. I ended up getting a Porsche Cayenne Turbo. Very different vehicle, but suited me better.
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Originally Posted by Kwilks
(Post 7727190)
Thanks to all for your input. Today I drove the E63 S sedan and wagon and found both too be too harsh for my liking. Both were fantastic in so many ways, I preferred the wagon but it drove the same as the sedan. I ended up getting a Porsche Cayenne Turbo. Very different vehicle, but suited me better.
Enjoy. |
Enjoy buddy. A cayenne turbo is no joke and it’s all about what the best fit for you is. Cheers.
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Originally Posted by Dagger9903
(Post 7727155)
I think everyone should post their tire pressures and general road quality when opining on ride characteristics, it really makes a huge difference. Dealer put my tires at 51 all around recenlty, which btw is appropriate for a fully loaded (passenger and cargo) wagon going up to 180kmh, and the ride felt like concrete on local roads that need repaving (think 1-2 inch deep potholes and a lot of surface imperfections) roads.
I switched to 41 all around because there are normally 2-3 people in the car (1 or 2 of them being children), limited cargo, and nowhere near speed limits that high. The ride quality got noticeably better - more 'give' on potholes, less noise on road imperfections. It's not a luxury ride by any means, but significantly more livable. |
I own a e63 wagon.
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Originally Posted by Kwilks
(Post 7727190)
Thanks to all for your input. Today I drove the E63 S sedan and wagon and found both too be too harsh for my liking. Both were fantastic in so many ways, I preferred the wagon but it drove the same as the sedan. I ended up getting a Porsche Cayenne Turbo. Very different vehicle, but suited me better.
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I have a 4s sport turismo and recently drove an E63 wagon for fun. The Porsche suspension is way more supple and compliant over bumps imo. The wagon rides pretty harsh, but some people really like that. Also, road noise is much more noticeable in the Benz if that matters to you. Both are great vehicles, no wrong choice.
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AMG just can’t get suspension settings right. Ridiculous that anyone is even talking about ride comfort and noise in this class and price range of vehicles. Don’t expect it to be a Luxo barge but come on Mercedes, figure it out! When’s the last time anyone picked a car over Nurburgring times! OK rant over.
That said, AMG cars are exciting and sound fantastic! back to my wine..... |
Originally Posted by van_rider
(Post 7730866)
AMG just can’t get suspension settings right. Ridiculous that anyone is even talking about ride comfort and noise in this class and price range of vehicles. Don’t expect it to be a Luxo barge but come on Mercedes, figure it out! When’s the last time anyone picked a car over Nurburgring times! OK rant over.
That said, AMG cars are exciting and sound fantastic! back to my wine..... |
Originally Posted by stealth.pilot
(Post 7726560)
I have driven all three and I own the E63S. If I were to rank ride quality:
1) Porsche Panamera - best ride quality by a large margin. 2) BMW M5 3) Mercedes E63S In my opinion the M5 has noticeably better ride quality than the E63S. The ride quality in my E63S is even worse than my 911 Turbo S. It is a car which really demand good roads. This is assuming all cars are on 20" wheels. |
On the highway it is great but on local streets it is a little hard. The car has a height adjustment and I wonder if lifting it at low speed will provide more travel length and a softer ride?
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I really don't find the ride all that bad, considering what the car is. Now I haven't driven the M5 or other cars for comparison purposes, but neither my nor my family find the ride jarring or unpleasant and they like riding in the E63 over our other vehicles.
That said, I did ride from the airport to my hotel in Rome yesterday in an S class and I could tell that the ride was smoother than my E63 right away, but I suspect I'd also notice an immediate difference in favor of the E63 if I was driving the S class and pushed it through a turn or two. |
Originally Posted by PeterUbers
(Post 7732994)
ive gotten quite used to always riding my my 2014 e63S in S+ all the time ... will I be ok with the 2018+ e63S?
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If you guys think the e63s rides harsh, you should ride a C63s. When I upgraded from C63s to E63s, I was actually a little concerned that everyone mentions how stiff the ride is. The ride on the e63s feels like a cloud compared to the C lol, it's all relative. It is a little harsh on bumps but still miles better than what I drove for 2 years.
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Originally Posted by jkob5
(Post 7733495)
If you guys think the e63s rides harsh, you should ride a C63s. When I upgraded from C63s to E63s, I was actually a little concerned that everyone mentions how stiff the ride is. The ride on the e63s feels like a cloud compared to the C lol, it's all relative. It is a little harsh on bumps but still miles better than what I drove for 2 years.
So my E63S is riding on 42/39 front to rear and have the standard seats. Comfort mode in city and sport on the open roads feels just about right. I wouldn’t call it plus by any measure I would wish for softer comfort mode, but it’s good enough that my wife didn’t complain at all. AMG are lucky they didn’t loose me as a customer just based on ride quality but I can understand people not choosing them based on that alone. It should be simple as use less air pressure right? The build quality in the E63S is two classes above the C63S. That and everything is just that much better made swallowing the price pill to upgrade and get out if the C easier to deal with. |
Completely agree re ride quality. What Mercedes were thinking is beyond me, it’s first and foremost a road car and it should be more compliant.
Having said that, I’ve just changed tyres from the Pirellis’s to GoodYear Eagle’s after a UK forum recommendation. The difference in comfort is huge, my wife has instantly noticed the difference. It’s probably not quite a grippy and I wouldn’t use them on a track but for daily commute, the comfort factor has improved considerably. |
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