2020 Order - Am I missing any options?
10-10-2019, 09:21 AM
#26
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Like everyone said, it's personal preference but after a couple of cars with carbon ceramics, I wish they were standard (and less expensive, of course). If not for road dirt I wouldn't have needed to touch my rims for the past 18 months, you also don't realize how much brake dust ends up on the side of your car while driving until you have CCBs. I also like how they fill out the inside of the rim more than the steel units. If you can swing it, it's a nice option, but more of a convenience/aesthetic thing than performance. Even Porsche admits they're basically just to reduce brake dust.
10-10-2019, 09:34 AM
#27
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i have noise reduction package and you can still easily hear the exhaust note, especially with exhaust open.
this car is still crazy loud on some roads (live in Texas). i could not imagine how loud it would be without that noise reduction package
this car is still crazy loud on some roads (live in Texas). i could not imagine how loud it would be without that noise reduction package
10-10-2019, 01:40 PM
#32
Most options are based on individual needs or preferences (audio, heated this or that etc.), however, the soft close doors are fairly useless so I would consider skipping it. The doors on the E63's close of you sneeze on them so the soft close feature virtually never actually get used. I got them but probably wouldn't if I were to do it again. They are a fairly low cost option so if the cost is no matter, then why not.
I thought perhaps it had something to do with people who might have physical ailments, but I'm pretty banged up now and I still don't see the point. Maybe I'm missing that point entirely.
10-10-2019, 01:50 PM
#33
Like everyone said, it's personal preference but after a couple of cars with carbon ceramics, I wish they were standard (and less expensive, of course). If not for road dirt I wouldn't have needed to touch my rims for the past 18 months, you also don't realize how much brake dust ends up on the side of your car while driving until you have CCBs. I also like how they fill out the inside of the rim more than the steel units. If you can swing it, it's a nice option, but more of a convenience/aesthetic thing than performance. Even Porsche admits they're basically just to reduce brake dust.
They're different than iron, in that regard.
Depending on the increase in diameter, they can also be much lighter; reducing unsprung mass dramatically. Actual braking improvements are really only going to occur upon descending an array of nasty switchbacks or similar conditions on the street; but brakes ain't all about brakes.
I'm not sure if they're worth the money for cleanliness or longevity, but nobody really needs an excuse to enjoy a fun option.
I've often wondered if they'd survive a washboard road and general off-pavement conditions over long runs. That drop in mass would be very nice out there; it would widen the "sweet spot" when it comes to one's appropriate harmonic velocity.
If they're bigger, though, it limits wheel choices. You're stuck with whatever will fit around the braking system.
10-10-2019, 01:56 PM
#34
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Every passenger is going to slam them, anyway, and I personally don't see the utility. Some people find it fascinating, but I've never really understood why.
I thought perhaps it had something to do with people who might have physical ailments, but I'm pretty banged up now and I still don't see the point. Maybe I'm missing that point entirely.
I thought perhaps it had something to do with people who might have physical ailments, but I'm pretty banged up now and I still don't see the point. Maybe I'm missing that point entirely.
10-10-2019, 02:25 PM
#35
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I think they should come with a briefing from one of the techs explaining the differences. I know two people who have them on personal cars, and they're not really up to speed on what they do or how to inspect them.
They're different than iron, in that regard.
Depending on the increase in diameter, they can also be much lighter; reducing unsprung mass dramatically. Actual braking improvements are really only going to occur upon descending an array of nasty switchbacks or similar conditions on the street; but brakes ain't all about brakes.
I'm not sure if they're worth the money for cleanliness or longevity, but nobody really needs an excuse to enjoy a fun option.
I've often wondered if they'd survive a washboard road and general off-pavement conditions over long runs. That drop in mass would be very nice out there; it would widen the "sweet spot" when it comes to one's appropriate harmonic velocity.
If they're bigger, though, it limits wheel choices. You're stuck with whatever will fit around the braking system.
They're different than iron, in that regard.
Depending on the increase in diameter, they can also be much lighter; reducing unsprung mass dramatically. Actual braking improvements are really only going to occur upon descending an array of nasty switchbacks or similar conditions on the street; but brakes ain't all about brakes.
I'm not sure if they're worth the money for cleanliness or longevity, but nobody really needs an excuse to enjoy a fun option.
I've often wondered if they'd survive a washboard road and general off-pavement conditions over long runs. That drop in mass would be very nice out there; it would widen the "sweet spot" when it comes to one's appropriate harmonic velocity.
If they're bigger, though, it limits wheel choices. You're stuck with whatever will fit around the braking system.
10-10-2019, 03:23 PM
#36
Not for any disability, just for coolness. You tell passengers to close the doors like a kitchen cabinet and they won't slam them. Then they ooh and aah. No more having to unlock the car you just parked because a door wasn't latched completely. They seal better. And that bank vault feel is a key part of the classic Mercedes experience. Like I said, you get so used to this experience when you own an S-class, it's something you don't want to give up in other models. Slamming your car door is so Ford.
10-10-2019, 03:54 PM
#37
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As someone that has the soft close doors on my E63, I don't see how they seal any better or feel any more "bank vault" like. Once shut, they are exactly the same as an non-soft close option door. My understanding is that the only difference is the electric mechanism fully closes a not fully closed door. On many other Mercedes, I think it's a great option because the level of force needed to fully close other models is high enough that on occasion, the door doesn't fully shut. My E63 (and most others), is not one of those models. The doors shuts so easily that you have to try to intentionally not fully shut the door and even then, it usually fully shuts. Thus making the soft close feature nearly ever used. It is a fairly cheap option so if in doubt, check the box LOL.
BTW, W213 doors close much better than W212.
At the end, this is personal: buying a luxury car like S-class, vs sport car....
10-10-2019, 04:16 PM
#38
For the record, I like soft close doors as a feature. It's just somewhat useless on the W213 E63. Also, the term "soft close" is a bit misleading IMO. It's not like a soft close kitchen cabinet that dampens the shutting action. The "soft close" on cars do no such thing so there's nothing preventing someone from slamming the door. All it does is shut a not fully closed door and only if it has half way latched.
10-10-2019, 04:58 PM
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Agreed, you can still slam a door if you want. Typically that's what happens with passengers who aren't used to the car.
But, slamming is necessary even without the soft close option. They showed us during the factory how the car has vents that let the air out when you close the door so you aren't trying to overcome the increased pressure like you do in non-vented cars. No brief pressure spike for the passengers in the car as a result of a door slam either. As a result, the closing force is fairly light.
I for one am pleased with the option. I can close the door with a normal to light push and it will close solidly. Or if I desire I can close it very lightly and give a slight push to engage the first clink and then the door does the rest.
Will add the option again on the next car I buy.
But, slamming is necessary even without the soft close option. They showed us during the factory how the car has vents that let the air out when you close the door so you aren't trying to overcome the increased pressure like you do in non-vented cars. No brief pressure spike for the passengers in the car as a result of a door slam either. As a result, the closing force is fairly light.
I for one am pleased with the option. I can close the door with a normal to light push and it will close solidly. Or if I desire I can close it very lightly and give a slight push to engage the first clink and then the door does the rest.
Will add the option again on the next car I buy.
10-10-2019, 05:35 PM
#40
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As someone that has the soft close doors on my E63, I don't see how they seal any better or feel any more "bank vault" like. Once shut, they are exactly the same as an non-soft close option door. My understanding is that the only difference is the electric mechanism fully closes a not fully closed door. On many other Mercedes, I think it's a great option because the level of force needed to fully close other models is high enough that on occasion, the door doesn't fully shut. My E63 (and most others), is not one of those models. The doors shuts so easily that you have to try to intentionally not fully shut the door and even then, it usually fully shuts. Thus making the soft close feature nearly ever used. It is a fairly cheap option so if in doubt, check the box LOL.
10-10-2019, 05:49 PM
#41
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Better seal is because of the operation I described. Watch carefully and you'll see it sets the door seals by compressing them 2 mm before moving the door outward again to just flush. This provides the optimum preload consistently, for better sealing and longer seal life.
10-10-2019, 05:57 PM
#42
Better seal is because of the operation I described. Watch carefully and you'll see it sets the door seals by compressing them 2 mm before moving the door outward again to just flush. This provides the optimum preload consistently, for better sealing and longer seal life.
10-10-2019, 06:30 PM
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I wished I had picked the upgraded stereo (but doesn’t it take up more trunk space?). I also really like my black piano lacquer heated steering wheel and I “assume” the acoustic package helps a lot.
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10-10-2019, 06:33 PM
#44
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The 3-D Burmester takes up about three inches of width on the left side of the trunk. You also lose a storage area. I find the trunk big enough with the small loss.
10-12-2019, 10:08 PM
#45
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Like everyone said, it's personal preference but after a couple of cars with carbon ceramics, I wish they were standard (and less expensive, of course). If not for road dirt I wouldn't have needed to touch my rims for the past 18 months, you also don't realize how much brake dust ends up on the side of your car while driving until you have CCBs. I also like how they fill out the inside of the rim more than the steel units. If you can swing it, it's a nice option, but more of a convenience/aesthetic thing than performance. Even Porsche admits they're basically just to reduce brake dust.
Porsche apparently came up with a mid range brake option that’s half the cost, that’s supposed to significantly reduce brake dust. It’s like a coated brake caliper option. Have not seen it in real life yet.
Don’t get CCBs if you’re gonna track it though. Performance will be better for sure, but it’ll be one heck of an expensive track consumable.
10-12-2019, 10:47 PM
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So much this!! If you can spare the coin, and it’s a lot of coin, I’d spring for the CCB. The brake dust issue is such a huge pain in the butt, it’s really a never ending labor of hate/love. The care will look great even after spending a couple of hours detailing, and the. You’ll get within 3 feet of the wheels, and you’ll see it. I have not owned CCBs but after my two current (steel brake) AMGs, I have sworn to check the option on any future higher end car I buy if available.
Porsche apparently came up with a mid range brake option that’s half the cost, that’s supposed to significantly reduce brake dust. It’s like a coated brake caliper option. Have not seen it in real life yet.
Don’t get CCBs if you’re gonna track it though. Performance will be better for sure, but it’ll be one heck of an expensive track consumable.
Porsche apparently came up with a mid range brake option that’s half the cost, that’s supposed to significantly reduce brake dust. It’s like a coated brake caliper option. Have not seen it in real life yet.
Don’t get CCBs if you’re gonna track it though. Performance will be better for sure, but it’ll be one heck of an expensive track consumable.
I am in the process of doing that now.
10-15-2019, 05:42 PM
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10-15-2019, 05:43 PM
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10-15-2019, 05:53 PM
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Dinamica Steering Wheel
The car I am using now has the Dinamica steering wheel. I don’t like it at all. I can’t help but think it will be pretty nasty to touch in two years time. Glad I chose the full leather wheel.
I have been holding myself to 140 kph on the Autobahn as it is still in the break in period, but the torque is monstrous and the brakes are amazing. Handling in the mountains is wonderful. I am loving this car.
I have been holding myself to 140 kph on the Autobahn as it is still in the break in period, but the torque is monstrous and the brakes are amazing. Handling in the mountains is wonderful. I am loving this car.
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10-15-2019, 06:53 PM
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The car I am using now has the Dinamica steering wheel. I don’t like it at all. I can’t help but think it will be pretty nasty to touch in two years time. Glad I chose the full leather wheel.
I have been holding myself to 140 kph on the Autobahn as it is still in the break in period, but the torque is monstrous and the brakes are amazing. Handling in the mountains is wonderful. I am loving this car.
I have been holding myself to 140 kph on the Autobahn as it is still in the break in period, but the torque is monstrous and the brakes are amazing. Handling in the mountains is wonderful. I am loving this car.
Pics, please!My story with dinamica: Thought order was for Full Leather steering wheel. However, discovered the leather/dinamica at the time of delivery. Hate it...
Complained vigorously to my dealer and they really wanted to help. Tried to order the full leather steering wheel for me. Finally, it turns out one can get full leather only with the red 12 o'clock mark. I have silver, and the answer is black leather/silver comes with dinamica only.
Believe that part of the confusion is caused by MBUSA configurator: ordered in February 2019 while they were still showing 2018 model, and full leather was available. Same combo was after 2019 configurator was brought up (promptly??!!) in March 2019.
Suggest checking your order: does it have L6J, or L6K for the steering wheel?
