ECU Tune - 2 seconds faster
02-23-2020, 03:48 AM
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So please if you dont believe stay at thst point where you are and be happy.
ronin is quiet after i upload the dyno.
02-23-2020, 07:58 AM
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I don't get it, GAD is the only company who is racing their cars on 1/2 mile events in Germany,Russia,Dubai. You can google tons of their runs to see the cars in action, NO car with under 1000 HP runs over 300 kmh 186 mph in the half mile. You must have more than 1000 HP, this is evidence enough for me. And their are also Dynos enough on Superflow etc.from their cars, when you search a little bit.
Dynos can always be manipulated, but not a whole half mile run on the street.
Dynos can always be manipulated, but not a whole half mile run on the street.
02-24-2020, 08:09 AM
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02-24-2020, 03:21 PM
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I will take a car that is 1 full second faster than stock than one that makes 200rwhp more than stock and can barely clear 3-4mph in the quarter-mile.
Imagine two cars making 660rwhp, one traps 128mph and the other traps 134mph.....that's what we have been facing with E/CLS/etc 63s for years now vs BMW M5s for example
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02-24-2020, 03:54 PM
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Normally I tend to agree with you Peter, but this is definitely not one of them lol. The whole point behind the TCU tunes and AMGs torque limitation is just that....dyno queens that do not replicate the dyno numbers on a track or street.
I will take a car that is 1 full second faster than stock than one that makes 200rwhp more than stock and can barely clear 3-4mph in the quarter-mile.
Imagine two cars making 660rwhp, one traps 128mph and the other traps 134mph.....that's what we have been facing with E/CLS/etc 63s for years now vs BMW M5s for example
I will take a car that is 1 full second faster than stock than one that makes 200rwhp more than stock and can barely clear 3-4mph in the quarter-mile.
Imagine two cars making 660rwhp, one traps 128mph and the other traps 134mph.....that's what we have been facing with E/CLS/etc 63s for years now vs BMW M5s for example
02-24-2020, 03:57 PM
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i 100% agree as well and everybody here knows i have bitten "as hard as possible" on the supposedly "black magic" claim of the CPC torque limits (i don't think it is black magic, but some people do)
however
how do we describe that car with stage 3 ECU tune + hybrid turbos, no CPC tune, doing 5.9s 100-200? i feel like the global torque limit of the CPC should not have allowed that car to perform "that well"
however
how do we describe that car with stage 3 ECU tune + hybrid turbos, no CPC tune, doing 5.9s 100-200? i feel like the global torque limit of the CPC should not have allowed that car to perform "that well"
02-24-2020, 08:40 PM
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i 100% agree as well and everybody here knows i have bitten "as hard as possible" on the supposedly "black magic" claim of the CPC torque limits (i don't think it is black magic, but some people do)
however
how do we describe that car with stage 3 ECU tune + hybrid turbos, no CPC tune, doing 5.9s 100-200? i feel like the global torque limit of the CPC should not have allowed that car to perform "that well"
however
how do we describe that car with stage 3 ECU tune + hybrid turbos, no CPC tune, doing 5.9s 100-200? i feel like the global torque limit of the CPC should not have allowed that car to perform "that well"
After a while, you simply overwhelm the CPC (or TCU, or torque management) with more and more and more boost. After all, stock ecu's simply limit throttle and boost mostly to manage the torque
02-25-2020, 07:35 PM
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i 100% agree as well and everybody here knows i have bitten "as hard as possible" on the supposedly "black magic" claim of the CPC torque limits (i don't think it is black magic, but some people do)
however
how do we describe that car with stage 3 ECU tune + hybrid turbos, no CPC tune, doing 5.9s 100-200? i feel like the global torque limit of the CPC should not have allowed that car to perform "that well"
however
how do we describe that car with stage 3 ECU tune + hybrid turbos, no CPC tune, doing 5.9s 100-200? i feel like the global torque limit of the CPC should not have allowed that car to perform "that well"
I’m not doubting the CPC tune works it just seems like this platform is still in the dark ages. I come from a long line of M5s and it feels like that platform is more transparent. BM3 is on the verge of being released and the beta testers are running consistent 10.1s at 136-138 on stage 2 E30 tune.
I’m done throwing money into this platform. I will ride out this year and pickup a used M5 competition next year.
02-25-2020, 09:49 PM
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Normally I tend to agree with you Peter, but this is definitely not one of them lol. The whole point behind the TCU tunes and AMGs torque limitation is just that....dyno queens that do not replicate the dyno numbers on a track or street.
I will take a car that is 1 full second faster than stock than one that makes 200rwhp more than stock and can barely clear 3-4mph in the quarter-mile.
Imagine two cars making 660rwhp, one traps 128mph and the other traps 134mph.....that's what we have been facing with E/CLS/etc 63s for years now vs BMW M5s for example
I will take a car that is 1 full second faster than stock than one that makes 200rwhp more than stock and can barely clear 3-4mph in the quarter-mile.
Imagine two cars making 660rwhp, one traps 128mph and the other traps 134mph.....that's what we have been facing with E/CLS/etc 63s for years now vs BMW M5s for example
Prove to me this drivetrain can handle the cpc tune and bump in hp and torque to achieve 2 seconds Off in the 100-200 and also survive the average ownership of about 3-4 years without catastrophic out of warranty repair bills ...
02-25-2020, 09:53 PM
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02-26-2020, 10:56 AM
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and I totally understand your excellent points; but a guy coming on here saying "people all over the world" without problems with this cpc tune and stage 1 is a guy selling a bit of snake oil.
Prove to me this drivetrain can handle the cpc tune and bump in hp and torque to achieve 2 seconds Off in the 100-200 and also survive the average ownership of about 3-4 years without catastrophic out of warranty repair bills ...
Prove to me this drivetrain can handle the cpc tune and bump in hp and torque to achieve 2 seconds Off in the 100-200 and also survive the average ownership of about 3-4 years without catastrophic out of warranty repair bills ...
they put the torque limits there for a reason.. right? lol
i feel like given my luck, i would for sure be the first guy in america with CPCNG tune, and then broken transmission
until we have any data/proof though, all just conjecture.
02-26-2020, 10:58 AM
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That is what I’m struggling with. Mopes has the fastest E63 in states (5.7 60-130 I believe) and he doesn’t have any CPC tune. How could he be that fast if CPC limited torque? Also, how did he blow two trannys if CPC limits torque to protect the tranny?
I’m not doubting the CPC tune works it just seems like this platform is still in the dark ages. I come from a long line of M5s and it feels like that platform is more transparent. BM3 is on the verge of being released and the beta testers are running consistent 10.1s at 136-138 on stage 2 E30 tune.
I’m done throwing money into this platform. I will ride out this year and pickup a used M5 competition next year.
I’m not doubting the CPC tune works it just seems like this platform is still in the dark ages. I come from a long line of M5s and it feels like that platform is more transparent. BM3 is on the verge of being released and the beta testers are running consistent 10.1s at 136-138 on stage 2 E30 tune.
I’m done throwing money into this platform. I will ride out this year and pickup a used M5 competition next year.
f90 m5 with an ECU flash, stock fuel pumps + 3-4 gallons E85 = 10.1s? what's the 100-200 / 60-130? that's very interesting. what supporting mods?
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02-26-2020, 07:02 PM
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02-26-2020, 11:59 PM
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DME E30 Tune
Weistec Meth Injection
JB4 Meth Controller
GruppeM Intake
Keller Downpipes
Remus Exhaust
target ECU boost: 25psi, boost is already going 1-2 psi above request on it's own
Weistec Meth Injection
JB4 Meth Controller
GruppeM Intake
Keller Downpipes
Remus Exhaust
target ECU boost: 25psi, boost is already going 1-2 psi above request on it's own
I was hoping the meth would help lower IAT which would in turn also keep the hp stronger throughout the run. However, the IAT's are not dropping with the meth over the run. I'm spraying with 500cc nozzles and 50/50 mix. Meth is a bit of a disappointment so far in terms of any sort of performance increase. I could try larger nozzles.
What would a 6.04s 60-130mph be in 100-200kmh time you think? my math shows maybe 5.25s?
on hybrid turbos, i wonder if it traps 143-145mph
but also, that s63 motor can't have much more stability left, can it?
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02-27-2020, 02:07 AM
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For what? You are not interested for the tune to spend money. If you dont believe it, take a plane and fly to germany to proof it with your eyes. This guys built 1300+ hp AMG cars and you believe they cant do a propper software? You live on moon?
02-27-2020, 02:10 AM
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E30 + meth + downpipes + intake + exhaust is easily $10-$15k-$20k for a 6.04s 60-130mph
What would a 6.04s 60-130mph be in 100-200kmh time you think? my math shows maybe 5.25s?
on hybrid turbos, i wonder if it traps 143-145mph
but also, that s63 motor can't have much more stability left, can it?
What would a 6.04s 60-130mph be in 100-200kmh time you think? my math shows maybe 5.25s?
on hybrid turbos, i wonder if it traps 143-145mph
but also, that s63 motor can't have much more stability left, can it?
But the problem is it dont hold the power. My friends M5 F90 engine brake 3 weeks ago. The internals of a M5 F90 is **** and turbos can do more then the internals can handle. That is not a secret that a lot of F90 engine gone.
So better stay with mercedes which can handle 900hp+ stock
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02-27-2020, 02:13 AM
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That is what I’m struggling with. Mopes has the fastest E63 in states (5.7 60-130 I believe) and he doesn’t have any CPC tune. How could he be that fast if CPC limited torque? Also, how did he blow two trannys if CPC limits torque to protect the tranny?
I’m not doubting the CPC tune works it just seems like this platform is still in the dark ages. I come from a long line of M5s and it feels like that platform is more transparent. BM3 is on the verge of being released and the beta testers are running consistent 10.1s at 136-138 on stage 2 E30 tune.
I’m done throwing money into this platform. I will ride out this year and pickup a used M5 competition next year.
I’m not doubting the CPC tune works it just seems like this platform is still in the dark ages. I come from a long line of M5s and it feels like that platform is more transparent. BM3 is on the verge of being released and the beta testers are running consistent 10.1s at 136-138 on stage 2 E30 tune.
I’m done throwing money into this platform. I will ride out this year and pickup a used M5 competition next year.
02-27-2020, 02:24 AM
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Sure a M5 F90 can do a flat 6 seconds 60-130mhp what is a 5.2 100-200 with race fuel
But the problem is it dont hold the power. My friends M5 F90 engine brake 3 weeks ago. The internals of a M5 F90 is **** and turbos can do more then the internals can handle. That is not a secret that a lot of F90 engine gone.
So better stay with mercedes which can handle 900hp+ stock
But the problem is it dont hold the power. My friends M5 F90 engine brake 3 weeks ago. The internals of a M5 F90 is **** and turbos can do more then the internals can handle. That is not a secret that a lot of F90 engine gone.
So better stay with mercedes which can handle 900hp+ stock
