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Old Dec 23, 2020 | 12:33 PM
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Any of you recent buyers consider the RS6? I'm so torn. Sold my 212 a while ago and want back in, but now that the RS6 is available feeling like I should try and change it up. The RS6 seems to come up short in many regards (power, space, sound) but definitely have wanted one after listing after them in Europe for so many years. Curious how many others here came close to trying the Audi.
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Old Dec 23, 2020 | 01:45 PM
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I've wanted an RS6 since Layer Cake, I feel you. They are so damn cool looking, but the performance out of the box leaves something to be desired. That said, the Audi RS cars WAKE UP with some tuning. Mod for mod they destroy AMG's. If you're going to tune it, there is no need to worry about performance. That said, you are correct that their V8 doesn't sound remotely as good as an AMG V8 and the ride on the RS6/7 has always been pretty "sterile". They also hold their value well, which is nice.
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Old Dec 23, 2020 | 02:11 PM
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I considered getting it last year when it was announced but all the dealers in my local area wanted msrp with no discount at all. There was also no guarantee I will get one in the first production year and one dealer even wanted $5000 non-refundable deposit. 😄
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Old Dec 23, 2020 | 02:17 PM
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I too am torn, i really want an RS6 but most reviewers give the edge to the E63S if not the panamera as well.
Go with the one you really want to own and you think looks the best or suits your lifestyle better because any difference in performance is really splitting hairs at this point.
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Old Dec 23, 2020 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cylinder Head
I've wanted an RS6 since Layer Cake, I feel you. They are so damn cool looking, but the performance out of the box leaves something to be desired. That said, the Audi RS cars WAKE UP with some tuning. Mod for mod they destroy AMG's. If you're going to tune it, there is no need to worry about performance. That said, you are correct that their V8 doesn't sound remotely as good as an AMG V8 and the ride on the RS6/7 has always been pretty "sterile". They also hold their value well, which is nice.
Nah, they are slower out of the box, and they are also slightly slower mod vs mod. The only car that can take a modded W213 is a modded F90 M5.

New RS6/RS7s performance tune and stock is lack luster, they are actually a bit slower than the last gen cars tuned vs tuned.. They sure do look good though..
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Old Dec 23, 2020 | 04:15 PM
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I had the option of ordering a RS6 or RS7 back in June. Decided on the latter and have been driving it for a couple of months now. I traded my 2016 C7 RS7 (APR Tuned) for the C8. I will tell you it's a significant improvement over the last generation. Driving dynamics are significantly better with four wheel steering and the air suspension makes you forget you're riding on 22" wheels. The latest interior along with all the new advanced tech puts this car well ahead of the one it replaces. Around town it feels faster than the C7....... likely due to the the additional torque of the new engine and there is almost zero turbo lag. Also, the new sport exhaust sounds exceptional. I plan to have the car tuned soon and would expect/hope it's mid 10sec. That said, I don't think anyone has an official 1/4mile run on a tuned C8 RS6/RS7 yet.

signes.... you cannot go wrong with the M5, E63 sedan/estate or RS6/RS7. They all offer exceptional performance that can be tweaked if desired. If you're going to purchase one of these cars, I'd bet the RS6 is most likely retain its resale value.

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Old Dec 23, 2020 | 09:54 PM
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did someone say tune?

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Old Dec 25, 2020 | 09:30 AM
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There is also a great video by Throttle body where they compared the RS6 to the E63 Wagon and then flash tuned the RS6. That engine in the RS6 is very responsive to tuning for sure. If money were no object, the RS6 can produce insane power levels with a turbo upgrade. HGP performance in Germany has that engine up over 900 hp.
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Old Dec 25, 2020 | 10:40 AM
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^Agreed. The C7 could run mid 10s on a tune only. I would expect the C8 to only improve on that number. The vid you referenced is below. The RS6 run after a tune starts at the 10 minute mark.



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Old Dec 26, 2020 | 01:05 AM
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Great stuff, thanks for all of the perspectives.
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Old Dec 26, 2020 | 02:31 PM
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We test drove the rs6 and the e63s back to back... at the end we went with the e63s.

Finishing of the MB is way better everywhere inside and out.

The rs6 fender looks like some added one to make the car wider it does not blend like the e63.

Normal Brakes on the rs6 are huge.. that will limit the rim choice to 21 or bigger. Not ideal for winter.

The 3 displays on the rs6 its not really nice.

the e63s has the drift mode... trunk is way bigger and in general the suspension feel stiffer even in comfort mode less roling on the MB but if comfort is important the rs6 suspension does a better job... we prefer the harder one of the e63s.
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Old Dec 26, 2020 | 02:52 PM
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Seems as though Audi have left themselves some room to roll out a performance version that will be closer to the S.
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Old Dec 27, 2020 | 01:43 PM
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The horses are now in the barn, 2019 E63s
I’ve also read the Audi doesn’t have a DCT or MCT type transmission which could be a benefit regarding better everyday driving comfort and probably an imperceptible difference regarding high performance sport use compared to the AMG.
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Old Dec 27, 2020 | 01:47 PM
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The RS6 uses the ZF 8 speed no? Both still have a torque converter so are basically normal autos as far as I am concerned.

I actually liked the box in the 212 more than I thought. In sport plus the downshifts were epic the the sound of the 5.5 even with stock exhaust.
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Old Dec 27, 2020 | 10:51 PM
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The RS6 uses the ZF 8 speed no? Both still have a torque converter so are basically normal autos as far as I am concerned.

I actually liked the box in the 212 more than I thought. In sport plus the downshifts were epic the the sound of the 5.5 even with stock exhaust.
This is why I am keeping my C292 GLE63s - that M157, compared to the competition didn't make as much power mod-to-mod, but their is something magical about that engine and the noises it makes.

Same reason I am looking for an older AMG with the M156 motor.

These new cars are getting faster and faster and offering more tech, but at the same time taking away more and more feeling from their cars.
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Old Dec 28, 2020 | 04:21 AM
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no doubt rs6 is good performance wagon but personally i thought its a bit over-designed. too many cosmatics and unnecessary sharp shaped bodykit. so in this case its no longer a kinda sleeper or stealth family wagon. to be honset, i almost impetuous to get one of them right before i decided to go for e63s. i prefer business shaped performance cars and wanna keep it as long as i could. some of lads in my city bought rs6 but end up with very short ownership because that car didint look posh and wasnt chicks attracted. so in that scenario rs6 in my area was not sounding very well.
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Whenever I see these wagon threads on the RS6 vs...... I think of this:



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Old Dec 28, 2020 | 02:19 PM
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Whenever I see these wagon threads on the RS6 vs...... I think of this:


LOL this is true. It's a great car if you can get it for sticker, marked up for $30-35K over sticker? That's moronic. Audi should have restrictions on dealer markups on these cars, because it will prohibit the already niche market buyers from picking one up for that much over sticker. The car has no value selling for $150-$160K with markups.
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Any of you recent buyers consider the RS6? I'm so torn. Sold my 212 a while ago and want back in, but now that the RS6 is available feeling like I should try and change it up. The RS6 seems to come up short in many regards (power, space, sound) but definitely have wanted one after listing after them in Europe for so many years. Curious how many others here came close to trying the Audi.
Agreed. For years the only wagon I wanted was the elusive RS6 Avant. I called AoA DOZENS of time over the years since the C5 platform to complain that the ultimate wagon was not brought into the US, even when the E55 wagon was proven to be commercially successful. And then the C6 with the twin-turbo V-10 Lambo engine version came out and I was obsessed. Since that power plant however (12yr ago) very little has ben done to improve on its performance.

The new RS6 Avant comes in as too little and too late IMO. It underperforms the E63 wagon in every test. There is the question of looks, which Audi does better than MB, but that won't be enough reason to trade down in everything else.

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Old Dec 28, 2020 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock
Whenever I see these wagon threads on the RS6 vs...... I think of this:


lol, that’s hilarious.

I would never pay over sticker and have no interest in the Nogaro one so likely would wind up spending a little less but that is negligible.

I might be answering my own question...
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