Hey all - would love some input/reasoning, but I’ll keep it simple. This vehicle will be used for family hauling and plan to keep it as long as possible. Daily driver.

CPO 2021 e63 amg-s wagon. Similar specs

$90k with 50k miles

Or

$110k with 22k miles

Obviously wouldn’t mind saving $20k, but also want to make the right long term choice.

I know if we were talking about an older accord or Camry - those miles would mean nothing. This is a dream car for me but I’m also new to the amg world. (Well dream would be an 05 e55 amg, but wife wants some modern touches and some insurance - not the worse compromise).

Thanks!

 

Both asking prices seem to be at an insane premium by a huge margin.

 

Genuinely appreciate the feedback - what would you say these should be going for instead?

 

In Canada, there is a 2023 e63s wagon cpo at a mb dealer. $102,000 converted to US $ with 23,000 miles (excluding any tariffs, taxes, insurance, freight, etc. if transaction is bought for a US buyer). Car is pretty loaded … without carbon brakes though.

example 2 in a Canadian dealer - a 2021 e63s wagon is asking $82,500 converted to US $ with 27,500 miles.

the above prices are just a reference point for you to negotiate with dealer. If uou are unable to negotiate, then that would be the premium you end up of paying.


i am in Canada and my 2018 e63s wagon was bought by a US car dealer last year and resold there.

 

thinking of selling my wagon, granted its 2018 but its got the performance seats and super low mileage 17k miles. if ur interested

 

For me, the milage difference from 20k-50k is less of a concern than the condition of the car, service history, and must-have options (whatever you determine those to be)

 

Both of those asking prices seem insane to me. The one with 50k miles they are asking way to much on that car. I would honestly pay 95k - 98k for the low mileage wagon. The only ones that Ive seen used to sell over 100k are the final edition

 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...63-s-wagon-12/

 

So KBB private sale value has it $86k while dealer value from TrueCar and Edmund’s has it at $72k. Quite the difference. I understand the basic differences private sale vs dealer value, but maybe I don’t completely understand it with such a large price difference. Obviously neither value is CPO (about $4k additional).

 

Like someone else suggested, if you have a budget north of 110K and time is not a major concern, keep your eyes on BAT and Cars and bids.

Similar to you, this was a dream car purchase for me and I was the winner of a 2018, local to me, 52K mile on BAT and I took it for 56K before fees/etc.
Sure it didn't have everything I wanted, but for the price, who cares.

Make accounts on both those sites, as I peruse them still and there is usually one or sometimes 2 on each site.
History, photographs, communication and other comments are a much more personalized experience than trying a dealer that prob does not give a **** about the car and just wants to offload.

If you get one, do your research especially the regarding the biggest pain point in this platform which is the AOS separators + RMS Leak.

Best of luck on your search

 

Hey - appreciate the personal experience - the tough part is that my wife prefers something with some "insurance" aka CPO. That's where it gets tough. That being said, I can definitely use those two sites to gauge the market. I have bid and used BAT a whole lot, but never heard of cars and bids. Appreciate that recommendation because I just found a very similar spec with 25k miles that sold for $88k.
Anyway - thank you again. All the feedback and education is greatly appreciated. This situation could turn into an expensive headache, instead of accomplishing and enjoying a goal/dream car.

 

CPO is going to be hard to come by on a car that is discontinued imo.

Do what most do here and get Fidelity Platinum Warranty from Trenton Gibson. He's on here.

 

Yeah I think that’s where I’ve seen a jump in price from a 2019 to a 2021 (can be cpo) and then you add the cpo part and it bumps the price even more.
I’ll have to reach out to him.
thanks for the help!

 

Whether it’s cpo or not, you should first ask for independent comprehensive inspection before you consider buying it.

for the 22k one asking $110k .. i feel fair value is in the mid $80’s. Asking a $25k premium is insane

 

Same exact thing I was thinking. It is extremely insane to me.

 

Thank you for the shout out, I'll drop my information below. My suggestion would be the lower mileage option, it will be better for warranty coverage.

Trenton O. Gibson
tgibson@highline-autos.com
Highline Autos
Direct: 602.909.9216
Office: 480.348.0777

 

US market is very different than Canada for these cars. I was actively looking at 2021+ wagons up there prior to the tariffs, and I agree low- to mid-80s USD. But even before tariffs it was a tough value proposition, as Canada-spec cars typically sell for 10% less here, the cost to import/ship is not insignificant, and although you can purchase aftermarket warranties there is always the looming concern of having no manufacturer support for recalls.

A 22k mile CPO would sell quickly here at 100k depending on color/condition/options.

 

For reference my loaded 2023 was CAD $247k out the door and it had an MSRP of CAD$185k. Add admin fees, freight, fuel surcharge, extended warranty, Luxury Tax, Sales Tax.
@bobblehead I wonder what that 2023 would be "out the door" as it's ask before the bull**** is only $40k less then my car's MSRP?

 

Can you get eyes on the cars?
Because my 2016 with almost 200k kms on it was mint and had every service, part, paint, switch, interior replaced or reconditioned to perfection including under trays, hood insulation, you name it, I saw wear/dirt/whatever, it got fixed. Open wallet maintained. I'd buy my old car over ones with less miles that are ratted out in comparison.

I'd say ignore the mileage and inspect and buy the better car.

 

https://www.mercedes-benz-maple.ca/i...h8kb4pb131272/

the 2023 is sitting at MB Maple. I believe the car has been sitting for awhile (since early May 2025). Carfax shows car has always been serviced at the same dealer. Car service history does not show any warranty issues that owner needed to visit dealer. 👍

when new … MSRP was $173,645 Cdn + fees of $5,000 + LT of around $16,000 + HST $26,000 = around $220,000 CDN (including all listed options on the dealer ad).

Now, dealer is asking $137,900 for 2 yrs old or 80% of orig msrp. A bit in the high side, imo. I feel $130,000 Cdn (or around $95,000 US) is fair value.

So, yours is higher due to having ccb and extended warranty.

 

I would buy the newest, lowest mileage example you can find. I would also get the Fidelity Warranty while the miles are low and have it covered for your entire expected ownership time. MB has a real issue with the Oil Vapor Separators and RMS failure on this platform. It is a massive and expensive job and not one you want to pay out of pocket for. If I was buying an E63 variant with the M177 motor I would also seriously consider the 63 motorsports catch can set up as it addresses the OVS clogging issues that cause crankcase pressure that blows out the seals. Everything is expensive on these cars though. My S63 is in the shop right now getting the alternator replaced and it is costing almost as much as I spent on the Fidelity Warranty. They also paid out on my RMS failure so well worth the money. Nothing beats the CPO warranty though. As great as FIdelity has been, it is still a massive hassle to deal with a 3rd party warranty. Dealers don't want to accept the hours Fidelity is willing to pay and you end up turning into a hostage negotiator between Fidelity and the MB dealer to try and get the majority of the repair covered.

 

If you were to find a private party sale from the original owner, still under warranty… that seller could purchase extensive additional coverage from MB that would transfer to you.
If not, silly not to go with Fidelity.

 

This is not a common occurrence, but one that has become more frequent. Third party warranty companies have the same Mercedes-Benz XENTRY repair portal, where repairs are broken down by the minute, but yet there are dealerships across the country just making up their own repair times looking for cash out of the customer's pocket on top of the warranty payout at full OEM rates. Not to mention mark up on parts over MSRP, unnecessary repairs, inflated labor rates, you name it! At least with the warranty company, you have someone in your corner trying to keep them honest.

I'm happy to hear the warranty has worked out for you!

Trenton O. Gibson
tgibson@highline-autos.com
Highline Autos
Direct: 602.909.9216
Office: 480.348.0777

 

"Hostage Negotiator"



I was just talking with friends about the good old days, when for the most part people just did what they were supposed to do, when they were supposed to do it. It's flipped the other way and so much of life has to be micromanaged these days. It never used to be like that.

 

Actually I was told by Fidelity that they use Alldata and Mitchell Guide to determine book hours for a job. Both of the times I have used the warranty, it has been a fight between the dealer and warranty company where the dealer is indicating that they are using the MB workbook hours to determine the cost. The other issue is that most Mercedes dealers have two fee schedules, one for "warranty hours" and one for "consumer hours" as MB corporate does not pay the same cost to a dealer for work as joe blow off the street. It is almost double for the consumer. I suspect that the bigger issue is that alldata and mitchell guide are basing a lot of their hourly assumptions on non AMG cars as there is not a very large pool of S63 repairs for example but a lot more for an S560. A few of the Fidelity service advisors that I spoke with came to this same conclusion on my last go around with them. They approved 3 hours to remove and replace the alternator and MB of Seattle wanted 9. In this case the dealer showed me the work instructions straight from MB and it did in fact indicate 9 hours of work. An AMG car has a lot more coolers and other parts that dramatically change the amount of work to get to a part. Once they sent this to Fidelity is was approved. Let me be clear, I would still purchase the Fidelity warranty without hesitation. Trenton, my selling dealer rep was super helpful and easy to work with, and every interaction I have had with the Fidelity reps has been great, they are also super friendly and want to help but it is substantially more work that just dropping off your keys and getting your car fixed fast and free with the factory warranty. With Fidelity you really need to find a repair facility that has advisors that will put in the extra time to make sure they are providing Fidelity with the exact documentation from Mercedes for the job being quoted and will then advocate for this amount of hours, and also accept warranty hour pay. I will probably look for an independent for any future repairs as I think part of my problem has been the dealer and the fact that they are so busy that they can just blow me and Fidelity off if we do not pay what they want. Fidelity is definitely in your corner but at the end of the day the dealer can still just deny the work so that is where it turns into a bit of a persian bizarre type negotiation.