Car and Driver: C450 AMG 4MATIC First Drive
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"Looks almost identical to the c63 on the inside and out..."
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Originally Posted by Car and Driver
Once the C450 arrives, in fact, it will replace the C400 in the lineup.
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Keep telling yourself that......... Once the C450 hits the street, the values of the C300/400 will plummet like our temps the past three months.
BTW, those 0-60 times are not far off the old C63 which tells me that the C450 is really hooking. In the wet, I'd speculate that it'll easily take a C63 off the dig.
BTW, those 0-60 times are not far off the old C63 which tells me that the C450 is really hooking. In the wet, I'd speculate that it'll easily take a C63 off the dig.
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I'm kinda happy I went with C400. IMMO the racing seats, red stitching and grill don't really fit the character of the car...it looks neither sporty nor classy, but then again, it is just my opinion.
Btw I think it's a mistake from a marketing point of view to replace C400 with C450...enough people out there who want a classic, non-sporty look with a bit of power.
Btw I think it's a mistake from a marketing point of view to replace C400 with C450...enough people out there who want a classic, non-sporty look with a bit of power.
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I still don't get why this car is so controversial
I get the amg "sport" moniker bothers people but as a car in the lineup this is a good thing for Benz IMO
I get the amg "sport" moniker bothers people but as a car in the lineup this is a good thing for Benz IMO
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I agree.....this car is perfect for Benz in terms of product placement going forward. Especially taking into consideration the success of the S4 and on a smaller scale the X6 (GLE Coupe).
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You can only get the C400 with the sport package.
The C450 is a C400... its the same car!
The C400 has been touched by AMG and is now call the C450.
It is not a new or different car so why sell both the C400 and C450?
I would Agree that there might be customers that want a C class with extra power and without the added cost and harsh suspension of an AMG vehicle though.
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Keep telling yourself that......... Once the C450 hits the street, the values of the C300/400 will plummet like our temps the past three months.
BTW, those 0-60 times are not far off the old C63 which tells me that the C450 is really hooking. In the wet, I'd speculate that it'll easily take a C63 off the dig.
BTW, those 0-60 times are not far off the old C63 which tells me that the C450 is really hooking. In the wet, I'd speculate that it'll easily take a C63 off the dig.
This is sad/frustrating but very likely true, especially with C400 values. Same thing happened when BMW's 335i came out and replaced the one-year model 330i back in ~2007.
I can only hope some buyers would rather have crystal grey interior and non-racing seats when it's time to sell on.. sigh
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I think of pure AMG's as "Beta" test vehicles with cool technology that needs qualification and a few affluent people get the technology ahead (sometimes years) of mainstream. (speaking as an engineer, not intended to start a fire and purely my personal opinion).
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I'm kinda happy I went with C400. IMMO the racing seats, red stitching and grill don't really fit the character of the car...it looks neither sporty nor classy, but then again, it is just my opinion.
Btw I think it's a mistake from a marketing point of view to replace C400 with C450...enough people out there who want a classic, non-sporty look with a bit of power.
Btw I think it's a mistake from a marketing point of view to replace C400 with C450...enough people out there who want a classic, non-sporty look with a bit of power.
Originally Posted by Car & Driver
The C450 AMG looks almost exactly like the C63 and has a nearly identical interior, including the must-have optional one-piece racing-style seats.
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The C400 does not offer a "classic, non-sporty look."
You can only get the C400 with the sport package.
The C450 is a C400... its the same car!
The C400 has been touched by AMG and is now call the C450.
It is not a new or different car so why sell both the C400 and C450?
I would Agree that there might be customers that want a C class with extra power and without the added cost and harsh suspension of an AMG vehicle though.
You can only get the C400 with the sport package.
The C450 is a C400... its the same car!
The C400 has been touched by AMG and is now call the C450.
It is not a new or different car so why sell both the C400 and C450?
I would Agree that there might be customers that want a C class with extra power and without the added cost and harsh suspension of an AMG vehicle though.
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Come on now Jimmy, we've known each other for a long time. Why are the hardcore AMG guys all butt hurt about the C450? NO, its NOT a C63, no one is claiming it to be, BUT with a tune or other light work from Weistec or another tuner, you can guarantee that it'll be in the mid 400s and with AWD its a no brainer. In fact, in our crappy Chi-Town weather, I can guarantee that off a digg it'll take a C63 to 100.
All they are trying to do it increase the AMG brand across the line. I see no dilution there. BMW has done this with MUCH SUCCESS with the M235 class of cars and guess what. They're beating the M3/4 cars if you give it a tune, just like the old 335s were smoking the old M3s when they got bolt-ons and a tune.
I know a lot of Duck guys and they swear that a Diavel is NOT a true Duck. Its all in how you look at it!!
All they are trying to do it increase the AMG brand across the line. I see no dilution there. BMW has done this with MUCH SUCCESS with the M235 class of cars and guess what. They're beating the M3/4 cars if you give it a tune, just like the old 335s were smoking the old M3s when they got bolt-ons and a tune.
I know a lot of Duck guys and they swear that a Diavel is NOT a true Duck. Its all in how you look at it!!
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The C400 does not offer a "classic, non-sporty look."
You can only get the C400 with the sport package.
The C450 is a C400... its the same car!
The C400 has been touched by AMG and is now call the C450.
It is not a new or different car so why sell both the C400 and C450?
I would Agree that there might be customers that want a C class with extra power and without the added cost and harsh suspension of an AMG vehicle though.
You can only get the C400 with the sport package.
The C450 is a C400... its the same car!
The C400 has been touched by AMG and is now call the C450.
It is not a new or different car so why sell both the C400 and C450?
I would Agree that there might be customers that want a C class with extra power and without the added cost and harsh suspension of an AMG vehicle though.
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Come on now Jimmy, we've known each other for a long time. Why are the hardcore AMG guys all butt hurt about the C450? NO, its NOT a C63, no one is claiming it to be, BUT with a tune or other light work from Weistec or another tuner, you can guarantee that it'll be in the mid 400s and with AWD its a no brainer. In fact, in our crappy Chi-Town weather, I can guarantee that off a digg it'll take a C63 to 100.
All they are trying to do it increase the AMG brand across the line. I see no dilution there. BMW has done this with MUCH SUCCESS with the M235 class of cars and guess what. They're beating the M3/4 cars if you give it a tune, just like the old 335s were smoking the old M3s when they got bolt-ons and a tune.
I know a lot of Duck guys and they swear that a Diavel is NOT a true Duck. Its all in how you look at it!!
All they are trying to do it increase the AMG brand across the line. I see no dilution there. BMW has done this with MUCH SUCCESS with the M235 class of cars and guess what. They're beating the M3/4 cars if you give it a tune, just like the old 335s were smoking the old M3s when they got bolt-ons and a tune.
I know a lot of Duck guys and they swear that a Diavel is NOT a true Duck. Its all in how you look at it!!
Regarding what BMW has been doing...are you saying tht it's cool for AMG to follow BMW? AMG has never followed BMW. BMW has not built a car to compete with an AMG in probably 10 years. W204's will murder a E9X M3 and an E63S will murder an F10 M5 and an E60 M5.
The C450 is simply nothing more than a run of the mill C400 with an ECU tune and some AMG bumpers. The truth of the matter is I would buy a CLA45 before a C450. A CLA45 will run circles around a C450. You will never get a C450 to make over 400whp yet Wesitec is making over 450whp with their CLA45. The C450 motor has mediocre tame cam lobe, stock C400 heads, stock C400 crank and a C400 block. It is for all purposes a C400 with some extra fuel and timing thrown into the ECU.
On the other hand we have the W205 C63 powerplant which was derived from the AMG GT 4.0 power plant. The C63 was built from the ground up to be a maximum performance high output engine as were the C450 motor is a band-aided C400 nearly tweaked to it's max output from the factory.
Anyone to make a comparison between the two is simply grasping at straws and for AMG to maek the exteriors of the two cars so similar it is shameful and as I said before a slap in the face to W205 C63 buyers/owners.
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The C450 is a C63 without the engine. It even has an AMG part that the C63 doesn't have... It has the AMG 4matic... yes that's correct, it doesn't have the Mercedes 4Matic, it has the AMG 4Matic in a W205 Chasis.
Do I think that they should have released this vehicle? No!
Do I think they are watering down the brand? yes!
But there is no denying that this vehicle is an AMG, it has EVERYTHING the C63 has except the engine and dynamic engine mounts. And like I said before it even has an W205 exclusive AMG 4Matic!