Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 - MBWorld.org Forums

Log In 


C32 AMG, C55 AMG (W203) Discuss the C32 and C55 AMG.

Sponsored by CARiD
Click Here


Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rating: Thread Rating: 2 votes, 5.00 average.
Old 04-30-2010, 04:02 PM   #1
Super Member
Thread Starter
 
60n5pt1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: san jose, ca
Posts: 510
Drives: 2002 C32 1987 190E 2.3 334K miles and going
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40

Anyone use this formula?
60n5pt1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2010, 04:27 PM   #2
Super Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 877
Drives: asdf
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
isn't this OEM for all AMG engines?
henry47 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2010, 06:11 PM   #3
Super Member
 
superstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 606
Drives: 03 R230 SL55 / 94 W124 E500
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thumbs up Best Oil

I use Mobil 1 5W-50, Rally Formula in my C55 .
here is the link:
http://www.mobil1.com.au/products/product_5W50.aspx
superstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2010, 07:05 PM   #4
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Viper98912's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,424
Drives: C55 AMG, SL65 AMG
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
I just use what's recommended everywhere and is standard, and that's Mobil 1 0w-40 European Formula.
Viper98912 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2010, 08:31 PM   #5
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 7,139
Drives: Corrolla
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Viper98912 View Post
I just use what's recommended everywhere and is standard, and that's Mobil 1 0w-40 European Formula.
Most of us here using that .

Andy
M-bENZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2010, 11:04 PM   #6
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: California
Posts: 2,317
Drives: 06 C55, 09 E350
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I use Mobile 5w40 ESP
JonMBZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2010, 07:52 AM   #7
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Viper98912's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,424
Drives: C55 AMG, SL65 AMG
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
I'm just curious to know why anyone would want to use anything other than Mobil 1 0w-40? It's a great brand oil, it's highly recommended for the engine, and there's no big reason to switch to a different weight that isn't 229.5 approved? It's not like you're saving money by going to another Mobil 1 product either.

BTW, Oreilly's is having a special, $4.99/qt of Mobil 1 through May 25.
Viper98912 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2010, 11:54 AM   #8
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
loudandheard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 1,945
Drives: C32/C55 AMG
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
From what I heard Mobil 1 ESP is what they are now recommending for Mercedes vehicles. I could be wrong, though.
loudandheard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2010, 11:55 AM   #9
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: California
Posts: 2,317
Drives: 06 C55, 09 E350
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
MB phased out 0w40 and 5w40 was the direct replacement.
JonMBZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2010, 02:14 PM   #10
Super Member
Thread Starter
 
60n5pt1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: san jose, ca
Posts: 510
Drives: 2002 C32 1987 190E 2.3 334K miles and going
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
The ESP stands for Emission System Protection.

quote from Mobil:
Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 is an advanced performance synthetic engine oil designed to provide exceptional cleaning power, wear protection and overall performance. Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 is engineered to help prolong the life and maintain the efficiency of Car Emission Reduction Systems in both diesel and gasoline powered automobiles that require an oil that is approved against Daimler Chrysler's MB 229.51 specification.

And it's slightly cheaper per quart. $7.00 per quart on ebay.
60n5pt1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2010, 10:44 PM   #11
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 185
Drives: LADA 1600
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
The dealer gave me 5w-40 based on my vin number, for my C55. Book clearly states 0w-40. I don't remember if it was ESP, but the part number was Q-1-09-0162
masterianvii is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 11:39 AM   #12
Super Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 752
Drives: 2006 E350; 2008 911 C2; 2005 C55; 2003 360 Modena
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
This was covered in-depth somewhere else - and I thought that the 5w-40 was a diesel engine formula.
kjb55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 11:42 AM   #13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Middle of IL in a corn field
Posts: 293
Drives: 2006 C55 AMG White/Ash
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
The 5W-40 ESP oil is for diesel engines, heres a page from the mobil site.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...a_M_5W-40.aspx

The MB spec 229.51 is for diesel engines and the 229.5 is the spec for gas powered. Unless you guys are converting your AMGs to diesel, you should still be using the 0-W40 European formula Mobil 1 that does meet the 229.5 spec.
Phil C55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 12:36 PM   #14
Super Member
 
Dingleberry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 983
Drives: Marsaydees
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil C55 View Post
The 5W-40 ESP oil is for diesel engines, heres a page from the mobil site.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...a_M_5W-40.aspx

The MB spec 229.51 is for diesel engines and the 229.5 is the spec for gas powered. Unless you guys are converting your AMGs to diesel, you should still be using the 0-W40 European formula Mobil 1 that does meet the 229.5 spec.
exactly, 229.51 is not a "better" spec than our 229.5, it's a different oil designed for diesels.

you guys are putting the wrong oil in your car, it should be mobil 0w-40
Dingleberry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 12:42 PM   #15
Super Member
 
Dingleberry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 983
Drives: Marsaydees
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
229.5 approved oils:

AGIP Formula LL DC 5W-30 (I)
Amsoil Synthetic 5W-40 European Engine Oil (USA)
Aral SuperTronic M 5W-30 (D)
Castrol DCO TOPUP 0W-30 (D)
Elf Excellium 229.5 5W-30 (F)
FormulaShell Ultra AB 5W-30 (GB)
Fuchs Titan Supersyn SL MB 5W-30 (D)
Labo MB 229.5 5W-30 (F)
Liqui Moly Longtime High Tech 5W-30 (D)
Mobil 1 SuperSyn European Car Formula 0W-40 / Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel 0W-40 (USA)
Mobil SHC Formula MB 5W-30 (USA)
Motorex Profil M-XL 5W-30 (CH)
OMV full syn MB 5W-30 (A)
Pennzoil European Formula Ultra 5W-30 (USA)
Premium Synthetik Motorenöl 5W-30 (DaimlerChrysler, D)
Quaker State European Formula Ultra 5W-30 (USA)
Shell Helix Ultra AB 5W-30 (Mercedes-Benz) (GB)
Shell Helix Ultra DC 229.5 (GB)
Total Quartz 229.5 5W-30 (F)
Valvoline SynPower MB 5W-30 (NL)
Dingleberry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 12:54 PM   #16
Super Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Phoenix, AZ USA
Posts: 561
Drives: '06 C55, '13 Audi S5 Cpe, '35 Ford 5w Cpe, '48 Willys Jeepster, '53 MGTD and others
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I've had two different dealers in Phoenix put in 5w-40. They both claim that it better suits Arizona summers. But after hearing way too much mechanical piston slap and valve clatter in "cold" 45 deg mornings I insisted that they use 0w-40 the last service. Most of the noise was gone. I suspect that 5w-40 in bulk is cheaper for the dealer than bottles of 0w-40.
lkfoster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 12:54 PM   #17
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: California
Posts: 2,317
Drives: 06 C55, 09 E350
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
There is a lot of misinformation in the thread. 5W40 is fine and is made to be compatible with diesels emission standards, it is not only for diesels.

Last edited by JonMBZ; 05-02-2010 at 12:56 PM.
JonMBZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 01:00 PM   #18
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: California
Posts: 2,317
Drives: 06 C55, 09 E350
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Here is the bulletin sent from MBUSA to dealers.
Attached Files
File Type: pdf 5W40_Bulletin.pdf (59.8 KB, 2388 views)
JonMBZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 01:34 PM   #19
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
RichardM98's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: SoCal
Posts: 1,564
Drives: 98 Brilliant Silver E320 Wagon
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by JonMBZ View Post
Here is the bulletin sent from MBUSA to dealers.
Jon - What troubles me about this document is that it is very generic and could have been produced by anyone with a computer. No MB document reference number, no source and no date of publication.

I'm not saying it isn't accurate just that there's no proof or procedure to verify.

Further it is contradicted by MB's official recommended fluids document (S-0473-08B) which states:

on page 5 -

footnote 1 - "... 229.51 is only approved for diesel engines."

footnote * - Not approved for use in AMG engines. (Where the * denotes all oils in the list except Mobil 1 Formula 0W-40 and Mobil 1 ECF 0W-40).

This document (S-0473-08B) is still the latest posted on the Startekinfo website. From the left menu, select MB workshop resources and then select Recommended fluids. It is the larger 151KB of the two docs listed.

Again I'm not trying (or interested in) starting a argument but if you have anymore support for the validity of this I would appreciate hearing it.
RichardM98 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 02:15 PM   #20
Super Member
 
Dingleberry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 983
Drives: Marsaydees
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by JonMBZ View Post
There is a lot of misinformation in the thread. 5W40 is fine and is made to be compatible with diesels emission standards, it is not only for diesels.
i'd rather heed the advice of glyn, and i'm hoping that others do as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck View Post
what do you think about using mobil 1 formula m 5w-40 in our cars?

No good - Diesel only!!!!!!!
http://www.mbworld.org/forums/c-clas...r-sedan-2.html
Dingleberry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 02:17 PM   #21
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: California
Posts: 2,317
Drives: 06 C55, 09 E350
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I don't see it being contradicted unless it specifically states that 5W40 is not to be used it's possible that the other oils listed on what you are referencing are not approved in gas engine. If you read on the back of the 5W40 bottle it states in black and white that works in gas engine. As for the validity of this document, I work at a dealer and pulled the info from a netstar bulletin dated some time back in 2006. I doubt anyone would go this far to publish misinformation.
Attached Thumbnails
Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40-photo.jpg  
JonMBZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 02:23 PM   #22
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: California
Posts: 2,317
Drives: 06 C55, 09 E350
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingleberry View Post
i'd rather heed the advice of glyn, and i'm hoping that others do as well.


http://www.mbworld.org/forums/c-clas...r-sedan-2.html
It's your choice, there is nothing wrong with using 0W40 I choose to use the ESP because of the reasons stated on the back of the bottle. I am sure that there is a minimal difference in the two, the problem is that when everyone spreads this information around it confuses people and they go running back to the dealer screaming foul play. I have been using this oil in my vehicle since it was released and some of you may know I have a 100k mile vehicle with almost no issues besides my alarm horn is broken and my fog light .
JonMBZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 02:48 PM   #23
Super Member
Thread Starter
 
60n5pt1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: san jose, ca
Posts: 510
Drives: 2002 C32 1987 190E 2.3 334K miles and going
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
so I was at Walmart yesterday and came across Mobil1 fully synthetic 5w-40
High Mileage formula for cars with over 75K miles.
Would this formula be alright to use? Is this MB approved?
It states the standard API, etc, approval or meets standard specs.
60n5pt1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 05:13 PM   #24
SMP
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
SMP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,046
Drives: CLK63 BLACK SERIES
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by JonMBZ View Post
It's your choice, there is nothing wrong with using 0W40 I choose to use the ESP because of the reasons stated on the back of the bottle. I am sure that there is a minimal difference in the two, the problem is that when everyone spreads this information around it confuses people and they go running back to the dealer screaming foul play. I have been using this oil in my vehicle since it was released and some of you may know I have a 100k mile vehicle with almost no issues besides my alarm horn is broken and my fog light .
Good post ..............I use the ESP in my Black Series
SMP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 05:33 PM   #25
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Musikmann's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 1,627
Drives: 2001 E320 RWD - Brilliant Silver/Ash: 100,000+
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
There used to be a Mobil1 5W40 Formula M without the ESP designation. My dealer has that in their bulk tank and mine uses oil. I bought a case of 6 online (AVL Luricants in Ohio) because I can't find it here and like to use the same exact oil for the make up quarts. As mentioned, MB says the ESP is only for the diesels but the last bottle I saw said it's O.K. for gassers and oilers plus meets the newest MB 229.51 spec.
Musikmann is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Forgestar F14 Black 19" staggered, from W211 V8Merc124 Wheels and Tires 7 10-10-2015 01:13 PM
Selling my Remote Starter acr2001 C-Class (W204) 0 10-01-2015 12:35 AM
Battery changing help.. plasma E-Class (W211) 2 09-29-2015 03:12 PM
E63 and M156 Real World Maintenance And Warranty HykakanAMG W211 AMG 0 09-27-2015 02:08 AM


Tags
40, 5w, 5w40, amg, c32, car, diesel, esp, european, formula, gasoline, mb22951, mobil, turbo, walmart


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:02 AM.


Copyright © 2001-2012 InternetBrands, Inc. / MBWorld.org. All Rights Reserved.
You Rated this Thread: 5