DutchC54

someone on here allready asked me if i had a clue why my swapped engine burned so much oil...
here are the pictures..see for your self.

KJI3jflarryfe93

where did you get the other engine?

how many km's differs from donor engine to your km's in cluster?
is it similar km stand?
i wouldn't put a high mileage donor engine on a low mileage car.
that engine had to be 100% renovated if i was going to put it in my car.

DutchC54

hehe.... u worry too much


my Original mileage is 311.500km. (!!!!) engine which is pulled now had 245.000km.
engine wich will be installed got 144.000km.
it really doesnt mather....(i think) u never know how the previous driver/owner drove his car.
i got my 5.4 from a car which i thought i knew....... oil consumption was insane.
1 liter to 350km. (!!!!)
i hope now it will get better.. if not i swap it again.. perhaps i damaged it myself. i dont know.. i like to trash and drive as i stole it. ( uve seen the video i think.)
its not to much work.. only thing is now.. the water channel is on back-order.
and to do the swap this is ESSENTIAL!!
so my trip to the ring next weekend wont be in my AMG but an RX8 from Mazda.

Sulaco

I hate to see a 5.4 m113 go to waste. Is there any type of rebuild that could fix that without having to resleeve the cylinder walls?

DutchC54

i wouldnt know but the grooves are really deep.
this one is going to the "oldmetal-pickup-dude"
ive been thinking to rebuild but i dont think oversize piston rings will cover this.
besides that an engine from the wreckers is like 700.- USD which is less then a rebuild.
i bought 2 about a month ago for 1500.- USD.


i had MB quoted me new pistons but those are about 750.- each (!!!)

KJI3jflarryfe93

it's good you managed to find a lower mileage engine, it might be in better shape?

do you thrash your car from cold driving like you stole it?
it takes about 25-30 minutes normal driving to get the fluids fully warmed, then you can drive like a car thief.
i had extra gauges installed for oil temp, oil pressure, volts.
oil temp takes about 30 min to come up to approx 80-90 degrees C.
it feels like ages to get the engine fully warmed for carthief driving style

DutchC54

u are so right.
according to my old collegue which is still working at MB dealership where i worked im too impatient.
like u said i need to take more time to give my engine the oppurtunity for it to get to the right temperature.
therefor i can only blame myself for destroying this one.
but once swapped to 5.4 its difficult not to drive fast or do trafficlight-runs.


the oil which came from my transmission was also colored to grey/black.
this i refreshed about 5000km ago when i installed the 55-engine.

KJI3jflarryfe93

you live and learn the expensive way.
if you did the engine swap yourself, it won't cost you much besides wasting money on a 2nd engine.

i told my güru to install these gauges, now i know exactly when to drive like the devil
gauges has a nice touch and dials match the same color as my AMG cluster

sick430

Nice idea with the gauges!

KJI3jflarryfe93

i borrowed the idea from MB 190E 2.3 16V when i had my gauges fitted.
i also saw this once in a Carlsson tuned CLK 208, they had installed extra gauges in centre console.

Sulaco

they are a lot more than that in the US and I need 2 of them!

DutchC54

for a good car its not that bad to invest a bit more.
off course low mileage engine cost more.
but if u end up not having trouble like i did its better.
if a low mileage engine could be found for 3500.-/4000.- i might have done it to. but then only if im sure the mileage is correct. there for i bought both for 1500.- 3 times a bad one is not happening... i hope.

ive only driven this engine for about 5500/6000 km. which is not really that much.
so i can honestly say im not the only one to blame.

today i will inspected both other engines with an endoscope to check the cilinderwalls.

DutchC54

the left over pieces...
an M113 V8 table is made soon.

DRBC43AMG

For peace of mind before buying a second hand and/or high mileage engine, it may be a good idea to pull the plugs and do a boroscope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borescope of the cylinders. I doubt the damage on Dutch's engine was all due to non respect of engine heating. It could be due to the prolonged use of cheap/bad engine oil.

DutchC54

thanks!


i also think im not the only one too blame.
car is back on his wheels and drives again.

the E55 gearbox was installed and works well.. only thing is it feels like it shift a bit more harder then the C43 / 722.631 box.
my friend from Mercedes tells me the new transmission needs to adapt shiftpoints again.

any way.. the new engine runs perrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrfect way more steady then the one in the pictures.
that one Always had some sort of misfire..not really a misfire but i dont know a "thing" whlie running idle.

KJI3jflarryfe93

what year did your E55 gearbox come from?
did you buy a tiptronic gearbox or non tiptronic?

do you experiance any delays or other weird stuff in shifting gears if you got the tiptronic gearbox or do you get all smooth gear shifts?

DutchC54

my gearbox came from a 2000 model
its the non tiptronic version.
currently it shifts good but not as good as i think it should.
according to my long time mechanicfriend at Mercedes-Benz this is because it needs to adapt new shiftpoint.

i had to swap the 4 finger for a 3 finger flange and also transfer the P-cable mechanism from the 722.631 to the 722.636.

at this moment im installing the illuminated door sill's

benzslo

It's not so much how you drive it. If anything driving it harder will keep it better. These engines use oil because the rings stick which results in scored walls like you see. Rings stick from going too long on oil changes, especially if not using synthetic.

All the 98/99 cars that never got synthetic and went on 10k mile oil changes got stuck rings and used heavy oil. All 112 and 113 engines. Have rebuilt alot of these and replaced many blocks with fitted pistons, there was a big class action lawsuit on this here in USA. If you use Mobil 1 you can do the 10k oil changes no problem.

cm60k

+100000000

ZAYED,,

PJmak

I also have a tranny out of a e55(2001) and it shifts weird. First to second is a lot more rough then the rest of the gears and it slips here and there.

Tranny is in good shape since it was opened recently and serviced.

According to my research it could be the vacuum modulator valve or whatever its called. Any ideas?

Sulaco

Did you use the old M113 to make a table yet? I was actually coming back here to make that suggestion.

Also real curious to see the other pieces. What did you do with the heads/cams from that engine? Surely they are fine? I'd really be curious what happens when you try to apply those heads to a non-AMG m113... From what I can tell, in the 4.3 all they did was heads/cams! You could in theory make any 5.0 or 4.3 into a Frankenstein AMG?

If you feel like surrending any of those messed up guts, feel free to send a piston my way. Would make an AWESOME table decoration or paper weight!

DutchC54

the heads, cams etc are still in good shape.. it the cylinders and pistons whats damaged.
ive been thinking about regrinding the cams.. but would like to have some feedback before doing this. good or bad and perhaps a shop who does a good job..
the damaged engine is still sitting in my workshop.. the table idea still exists