5.4 swap!

NismoPower · 04-08-2012, 12:38 AM

hello everyone. so i decided to keep my 208 and swap in a 55 engine and supercharge it as well. heres some pics. It should get it wrapped on monday when i get back to work.

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BenzoBoi · 04-08-2012, 12:45 AM

Looks like a hell of a build! Look forward to the progress and the end result!

NismoPower · 04-08-2012, 12:48 AM

Thanks. Im pretty excitied. Im going to either do a custom vortech v3 or a factory superchager.

Kevwood · 04-08-2012, 10:57 AM

Very cool. What was in it before, the 4.3?

NismoPower · 04-08-2012, 12:32 PM

Hey Kevwood. Awesome 209 by the way. It had a 430. So it was pretty straight forward.
I resealed the rear main and valve covers. Now i need to see what route im gonna take to boost it up. Ive really been leaning towards a custom vortech v3. Im a little worried on the boost curve they make, but im really not tryin to brake any speed records. So i think ill be ok with boost coming on at 3500rpm to redline. Also the 5.4 makes good low end torque anyways. I also have the option of a factory blower. A another benz tech i work with has the crank pulley and ilder Setup. The only thing with the factory set up is that dyno comp wants 2000-2500$ to tune it. Vs i would use a fmu and split second air mass unit to tune the vortech. Any thoughts on either setup?

Kevwood · 04-08-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NismoPower

Hey Kevwood. Awesome 209 by the way. It had a 430. So it was pretty straight forward.
I resealed the rear main and valve covers. Now i need to see what route im gonna take to boost it up. Ive really been leaning towards a custom vortech v3. Im a little worried on the boost curve they make, but im really not tryin to brake any speed records. So i think ill be ok with boost coming on at 3500rpm to redline. Also the 5.4 makes good low end torque anyways. I also have the option of a factory blower. A another benz tech i work with has the crank pulley and ilder Setup. The only thing with the factory set up is that dyno comp wants 2000-2500$ to tune it. Vs i would use a fmu and split second air mass unit to tune the vortech. Any thoughts on either setup?

If there was one thing MB invetrantly did right, it was the ease to swap any M113 around with a simple ECU tune. Plug, flash and play

Sounds like you've got an awesome plan and I absolutely agree with the 3500 kick, even my 5.0 made so much bottom end torque that the Kleemann blower I have on it now just makes it a tire shredding beast off the line - even the Quaife LSD and feathering the pedal don't make the launching easy, but it sure is fun

Seems a little steep to me regarding the tune, I used to manage a tune/custom build shop in Canada years ago and our pricing was quite a bit lower than that for custom boost setups. You might want to call around and get some additional quotes, in the end, boost is boost, a good tuner can probably take the basic Kleemann tune for the 5.4 (n/a converted to s/c) and build ontop of it.

I'll definitely be following your thread, I always have respected the hard core custom builds

Thanks for you comments by the way, lots more to come on mine over the next few months...

suicidal4life · 04-08-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NismoPower

hello everyone. so i decided to keep my 208 and swap in a 55 engine and supercharge it as well. heres some pics. It should get it wrapped on monday when i get back to work.

Most people would have taken the easy way out and used something more conventional like an engine hoist to get the engine out but I applaud your use of the Topsy Turvy bomb from Armed and Dangerous

You Tube

NismoPower · 04-08-2012, 05:25 PM

Kevwood,
Ive driven some kleemann cars are they pull just as hard as a kompressor mOtor.
I think ill try the fmu with a split second unit for the challenge. It'll be a slow process for the vortech. Im going to use my 430 to Mock up the vortech mount and pulley set up.

NismoPower · 04-08-2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by suicidal4life

Most people would have taken the easy way out and used something more conventional like an engine hoist to get the engine out but I applaud your use of the Topsy Turvy bomb from Armed and Dangerous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fcJtsAEe3E

I dont get it !!

Jerryswfl · 04-08-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NismoPower

I dont get it !!

(I'm no mechanic, but he may be referencing your last pic!)

NismoPower · 04-08-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerryswfl

(I'm no mechanic, but he may be referencing your last pic!)

I kinda figured that.
If he had a trained eye he would see the Engine Equalizer that goes on a engine hoist

Jerryswfl · 04-08-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NismoPower

I kinda figured that.
If he had a trained eye he would see the Engine Equalizer that goes on a engine hoist

Yeah, and it works in any position, too!

Kevwood · 04-09-2012, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NismoPower

Kevwood,
Ive driven some kleemann cars are they pull just as hard as a kompressor mOtor.
I think ill try the fmu with a split second unit for the challenge. It'll be a slow process for the vortech. Im going to use my 430 to Mock up the vortech mount and pulley set up.

Yeah, I have no complaints with mine, it's a beast. Great idea in using the 430 for a mock up, I've done the same many, many times when I was building cars back home - everything always turned out spectacular that way.

suicidal4life · 04-09-2012, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NismoPower

I dont get it !!

Your last picture is upside down. I did see the engine equalizer. I was simply trying to make a joke. I guess it didn't go over well.

Pauljay · 04-09-2012, 05:35 PM

Ha ha!!

I thought that funny!

NismoPower,

I've done a 55AMG N/A swap but used my 430 gearbox. How come your not using yours?

Jerryswfl · 04-09-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by suicidal4life

Your last picture is upside down. I did see the engine equalizer. I was simply trying to make a joke. I guess it didn't go over well.

Yeah it did!

NismoPower · 04-10-2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by suicidal4life

Your last picture is upside down. I did see the engine equalizer. I was simply trying to make a joke. I guess it didn't go over well.

NismoPower · 04-10-2012, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pauljay

Ha ha!!

I thought that funny!

NismoPower,

I've done a 55AMG N/A swap but used my 430 gearbox. How come your not using yours?

I did as well. After my blower setup all rebuild it after it starts to slip.
I finished it up tonight. The extra 75 or so torque is very noticeable. I shouldve done the swap way earlier. Did you flash your ME to run the 5.4?

Pauljay · 04-10-2012, 05:57 PM

In the UK the N/A 55 AMG conversion are only just being done. We are yet to do the Super-charged one!

I did mine 4yrs ago, No-one knew much about it then so I had the MB dealership order me a custom ECU which is unheard of!

NismoPower · 04-20-2012, 09:43 PM

Got my Vortech V3 !

VIPclk320 · 04-21-2012, 05:58 AM

Art your the man, you beat me to it. Exact same setup. Is that the cintrifical?
I was a little busy this week but I'll call you next week and I have and idea that I think would benefit both of us

big_mike1979 · 04-21-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NismoPower

hello everyone. so i decided to keep my 208 and swap in a 55 engine and supercharge it as well. heres some pics. It should get it wrapped on mondayHos when i get back to work.

how much all that gonna cost u ?so swapping engine and tranny!!!! Am I correct ?

NismoPower · 04-21-2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by VIPclk320

Art your the man, you beat me to it. Exact same setup. Is that the cintrifical?
I was a little busy this week but I'll call you next week and I have and idea that I think would benefit both of us

Thanks Ash!
Its a Vortech V3 centrifugal blower.
Yeah give me a call when you get time, I wrote down a plan of attack for your
project u got going.

NismoPower · 04-21-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by big_mike1979

how much all that gonna cost u ?so swapping engine and tranny!!!! Am I correct ?

Well price wise its pretty cheap. Got a hook up for the engine and no labor

Its going to be cheaper then a new kleemann kit, even at cost that i can get it for.
I only swapped the engine, no really need for the trans, Ill add some more clutch packs if it starts to slip with the blower. Check out car-part.com
they have really good prices on amg motors.

big_mike1979 · 04-21-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NismoPower

Well price wise its pretty cheap. Got a hook up for the engine and no labor

Its going to be cheaper then a new kleemann kit, even at cost that i can get it for.
I only swapped the engine, no really need for the trans, Ill add some more clutch packs if it starts to slip with the blower. Check out car-part.com
they have really good prices on amg motors.

ty

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NismoPower Junior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 73	Kevwood, Ive driven some kleemann cars are they pull just as hard as a kompressor mOtor. I think ill try the fmu with a split second unit for the challenge. It'll be a slow process for the vortech. Im going to use my 430 to Mock up the vortech mount and pulley set up. Last edited by NismoPower; 04-08-2012 at 05:29 PM. Reason: Missing

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Pauljay Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Surrey, England. Posts: 326 Drives: '00 Mercedes 430/55 clk cabriolet	Ha ha!! I thought that funny! NismoPower, I've done a 55AMG N/A swap but used my 430 gearbox. How come your not using yours? __________________ " Star in the hood. "

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NismoPower Junior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 73	Hey Kevwood. Awesome 209 by the way. It had a 430. So it was pretty straight forward. I resealed the rear main and valve covers. Now i need to see what route im gonna take to boost it up. Ive really been leaning towards a custom vortech v3. Im a little worried on the boost curve they make, but im really not tryin to brake any speed records. So i think ill be ok with boost coming on at 3500rpm to redline. Also the 5.4 makes good low end torque anyways. I also have the option of a factory blower. A another benz tech i work with has the crank pulley and ilder Setup. The only thing with the factory set up is that dyno comp wants 2000-2500$ to tune it. Vs i would use a fmu and split second air mass unit to tune the vortech. Any thoughts on either setup?

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Pauljay Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Surrey, England. Posts: 326 Drives: '00 Mercedes 430/55 clk cabriolet	In the UK the N/A 55 AMG conversion are only just being done. We are yet to do the Super-charged one! I did mine 4yrs ago, No-one knew much about it then so I had the MB dealership order me a custom ECU which is unheard of! __________________ " Star in the hood. "

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NismoPower Junior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 73	Vortech v3 Got my Vortech V3 ! Attached Thumbnails

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