Iowa boy

I'm going to be shopping for tires for My 2010 E 350 Sport. One of the down sides of this car (and there are few) is the fact with the staggered wheel configuration and I can't rotate the tires like I'm used to. It also looks like you need to have an engineering degree to understand all the tire codes and everything. I'm looking for something quiet! I have Pirelli P-zero Nero and I think they are loud. They are worn (23k miles if you can call that worn) but they are loud. Has anyone tried Goodyear.

hyperion667

I've always enjoyed Michelin's.
I'd also look and see if that Pirelli tire could be pro rated, that isn't many miles,
I myself had some mich's pro rated....


don't know why you can't run a 245/40/18 all the way around on your 2010


good luck

dbldpr

Vogue also now makes tires for the E350. I will be buying them when these wear out. The wife likes the pinstripe white wall with the gold pinstripe. Really hard to keep clean.

shadinator

I also have the staggered AM 18 inch wheels with 245/40/18 up front and 265/35/18 in the rear.

Is it possible to put 245/40/18 on all 4 tires safely?

As a side note, I dont think we can rotate the tires as the rear wheels are wider. Just wondering if the rear wheels can fit 245/40/18.

Raymond Lee

Do staggered tires have effects on rotor wears? I heard some say E550 have frequent rotor warping prematurely.

hyperion667

I drove the E550V4 I had for almost four years with 245/40/18 with no issue's.....4 different sets too ....came like that at delivery put 43K miles on that car

DerekACS

I just took delivery of a 2015 E250BT 4M with Pirelli P Zero Nero all season tires (245/40 x 18"). IMO, these tires are much superior to the Conti ProContacts that I had on my previous 2013 E350BT RWD (same size).

The Pirellis offer a better, quieter ride and handle better. According to Tirerack.com, these tires are classified as 'ultra high performance all seasons'. There are several brands that receive higher ratings in this same category, but not all are available in the correct sizes for E350. Suggest you consult the 'surveys' for each brand listed on the www.tirerack.com website; you can filter the search to Mercedes only.

What I did notice on a recent 6500 km road trip with the E350BT is that road noise varies greatly with the type of pavement. A coarse aggregate makes for a much noisier ride. Also, as tire treads wear down, road noise tends to increase.

Arrie

Yes, some tires at 245/40-18 will fit even 9.5" wide rims. Your rims should be 9" in rear if they are AMG that came with the car.

El Cid

Consumer Reports rates tires for noise and ride comfort. They just released the 2015 Buyers Guide, but you also could find reports in the monthly magazines. Might have to go to a library to find them.
Personally, when it is time to replace mine I'm going to consider stepping down a speed level. I would never consider UHP's.

Firestopper0383

Yes it is possible. To purchase the new OEM AMG wheels from the dealer, I was quoted $1552.00 per wheel without tire. I don't know about you but, $3100+ to buy new wheels before tires equals about 3 sets of new tires for the staggered setup and about 80,000 miles of driving. I'm sticking with the original setup.

GoBlando

I only get 20k miles out of my tires anyway at 245/40/18. The tires wear unevenly thanks to the camber, so even after rotation the inside of the tire is still wearing faster than that inside of the tire. I bought the Michelin AS/3 and they have 20k miles and are at 4/32" on the outside and 2/32" on the inside. Tire wear is just a way of life in these cars unless you change the camber.

shadinator

Sorry, what I meant to say was, can I simply place tires that are 245/40/18 in the front and rear on my existing staggered 18 inch AMG sport rims? (I believe the back wheels are wider which is why they currently wear 265/35/18 tires). Sounds like that answer is yes from other comments.

Here is a pic of my wheels (not my car):

http://photos.ecarlist.com/d6/1o/FO/.../hl/YQ_800.jpg

instantfob

If you care about treadwear then go with Pilot Sport A/S 3
If you want king of street tire then Pilot Super Sport

hyperion667

I think the tire eating comes from the nature of the 4matic and like another member mentioned, camber.....
I always rotated my tires every 5 k and still had high wear, but always had a pro rated set
to replace them which was fine with me as I really like Michelin's

Arrie

Well,


I measured my tire tread depth yesterday. It measures 6 mm evenly all the way across with 4 grooves on the tire to measure from.


In the rear it is equally as even but there is "only" 5 mm tread left.


I want to put weight on the word evenly as the tires do not show any sign of difference in wear between inside and outside edge.


Originally these tires had 8 mm tread depth. My measurement yesterday was after 14055 miles on these tires.


I don't think it is correct to say " Tire wear is just a way of life in these cars unless you change the camber". It might be the way in your car but mine wears tires very evenly like the E350 that I had before this one did. Perhaps your car has a problem but not in general with this car model?


Did you buy it new? If not, did someone before you change it?

K-Mac

FACT IS THERE IS NO CAMBER ADJUSTMENT!


Since the mid ‘90 model’s, with the ever increasing speed of vehicle assembly lines there has been no front or rear Camber (or front Caster) adjustment facility fitted OEM


Only current adjustment is front and rear Toe!

It’s no wonder many owners continually change tire brands or go from one MB Dealer or alignment shop to another in an attempt to return vehicle to factory specs – to try and resolve costly premature inner edge tire wear, improve traction and fix steering pull.


Owners can fit inaccurate (one position offset) slotted bolts. These are only available for the front offering a minimal .3 of one degree (3mm, 1/8”) Camber and Caster change. Labor intensive removal is required each time to change a setting.


We saw the need therefore "to fix it right the first time"….


By designing, developing, patenting (and re-instating from the 1990's) fully adjustable front (and rear) suspension for virtually all models.

The current K-MAC kits have up to 4 times the adjustment of these one only position offset bolts (both Positive or Negative). And unlike these one position bolts they can be accurately adjusted on car(under load) direct on alignment turntable (no need for labor intensive removal/replacement each time).


Providing ongoing full, precise adjustment of both Camber and Caster settings if altering suspension height, fitting wide profile tires/wheels, curb knock damage or being able to quickly fine tune/change specs on race days (extra Negative/plus track width to go deeper into the corners/lower lap times). With the unique K-MAC patented design only requiring use of a single wrench/no disassembly.

For the rear, similar kits for full precise Camber adjustment (with additional Toe to compensate for the new Camber facility). Importantly unlike the alternative rear adjustable Camber control arms available K-MAC kits do not move top of tire outwards - this reducing essential clearance top of tire to outer fender when adjusting to fix premature inner edge tire wear/improve rear traction.


Also instead of spherical bearings as used on control arms which prematurely pound out allowing metal to metal contact. At K-MAC we have developed long life elastomer bushings.


Bonus with the four front and four rear bushes is that they are also designed with twice the load bearing area and replace the highest wearing suspension bushings. And with K-MAC no special tools are required to fit.


Note (Product background re bushings): Majority OEM bushes have air voids to allow 2 axis movement. So control arms can travel through their required arcs without binding, locking up.


Essential with today’s modern designs of “multi-link” arms with different angle mount points!


Yet most “aftermarket” replacement bushes the industry standard is to eliminate these air voids in an attempt to improve both steering response and reduce wheel hop, loss of traction under brake and acceleration.


The opposite is often the case – the elimination of the air voids causes even more severe wheel hop, loss of traction through binding, locking up of arms.


K-MAC bushes – with 50 years now of bush technology are designed without the air voids but where needed with “full 2 axis movement”. Result is power to the ground – maximum traction/acceleration/braking - along with noticeably improved directional control and steering response for highway driving, lane changing.

Firestopper0383

Then the answer is No. The larger width of the rear wheel will cause it to rub either on the fender or the frame when making a sharp turn.

VegasE

All recent independent testing I've seen rates the Super Sports the best daily driver UHP tire available. They are absolutely the best tire I have ever bought; quiet, great handling, and ride comfort. I replace Pirelli P-Zeros and the difference was incredible. It is a summer tire and not advised in snow or ice but great in the rain.


I replaced the OEM on my wife's car with the Michelin AS because we take that car into the mountains during winter. Again, much improved over the OEM, particularly with noise, but do not corner quite as good as the SuperSports. I have not had them long enough to evaluate treadwear.


If cost is a concern, the ContiExtreme DW or DWS are a great buy for the money according to testers. The rate well above average but are not in the same league as the Michelins but sell at about 2/3 the coast of the Michelins. My son has used them for years and loves them.

noka

I guess it depends on what you are looking for. The Michelins have higher scores in many categories but the DWS Extreme has a higher overall score. For me, it's important that an All-Season tire have optimal snow and ice traction, where the DWS Extreme has superior survey numbers. Having said that, Michelin took the 'more likely to buy again' category.

MJ50

michelins are good but $$$...
ventus v12 is good alternative...
it all comes down personal preference...
grip vs price vs treadwear vs noise vs etc...

Arrie

Firestopper,


You should read the posts more carefully. shadinator says in his post that he does not believe the staggered tires/wheels can be rotated between axles because of the wider rear wheel. He then says that he just wonders if 245/40-18 tires can be safely installed on the wider rear wheels.


The answer for this is that absolutely for sure some tires can be installed on the 9" wide rear wheels. Some on even 9.5" wide wheels.


What comes to the wider rear wheels in front: if the wheel does not interfere with the strut I believe the wheel will fit in front just fine. I don't think fender rubbing will be of any kind of an issue as the offset of the wider rear wheel makes the outside of the wheel to the same location as it is with the narrower (8.5") front wheel. Also, the part that would be rubbing is the tire itself. That tire being the same size as the front tire should not cause any kind of an issue.

aeroconfigs

I got the contiprocontacts. I tried the pure contact with ecoplus and they were just too hard for the car IMO. There was a bouncy feeling on the highway that I hated. I went back to the pro contacts last week as they were the original tires. 245-40-18 4matic

Didn't know the pirellis might be better. The procontacts are doing great in the snow and are so much smoother. Downside is I'll have to buy more in 30k or so... And they weren't cheap, 500 more for a set than the pure contacts.

Sportstick

The original ContiProContacts were quite mediocre....noisy and uninspired handling. First, we tried DWS and they were an excellent improvement and did a stellar job in a variety of weather conditions. On the third set of tires for the car now, and I installed Michelin AS3.....outstanding tire....quiet, smooth, and much better handling and steering response. This is what I will buy again, unless the AS4 is out by then!

mikeyle

just buy the michelin as3s and dont worry about it, rarely have i ever heard a complaint about michelins.

aeroconfigs

So as3 sounds like the way to go... Dammit, why didn't I make this thread two weeks ago!