nasscmw

Hey guys! I got a 2.5 16v and I want more power!! Horsepower and torque! Any advise?

I've got straight flow with normal filters since it's mentioned that the standard filters are better, will keep those.

Any idea if maybe it could be changed to EFI by taking it from an SL or something?

Let me know!!

theyuw

how about an echip? Those enhance hp and torque. What have you got to lose, well except the warranty...

MTI

Can't really "chip" a pre-94 Mercedes.

nasscmw

Can't chip it? Didn't know, lucky you told me. Would have done it!

Any other suggestions?

s_business

MORE POWER!

* K&N AIRFILTER
* REMUS DTM MUFFLER
* NITROUS OXIDE (NOS)
* CHIPTUNING
* OIL COOLER

MTI

K&N = ? HP, but you will have a nice growl from the engine.
Remus = Unless you do the whole system for 5 HP, all you get is more growl
Nitrous = Only effective at WOT and gives your powertrain a nice jolt
Chip Tuning = Read the previous posts, EFI can be chipped, but not CIS
Oil Cooler = Always a good idea, but no HP gain.

Matteus

I think if you really want more power,
you should go turbo.
We've had a 2.3-16 with Oettinger driveshafts and Mosselman turbo system. produced a mere 300hp and 380nm torque. engine remained standard except for these changes, and also gearbox and drivetrain remained standard.
Was an absolute blast to drive, and was still strong at 160.000 kms.

Mosselman Turbo systems: www.mosselmanturbo.com

greetz,

matteus

rahoul

i have a 1990 180e (1.8l).

I dont really htink theres much power to be gotten out of this engine, unless you start looking at forced induction. I mean my car has a chip and a high flow exhaust system from the headers back and, while there is a litle more low-down torque its not hugely significant.

The only reason i had the install done was because i have a free mechanic (one of my mates). It sounds awesome tho

cdiken

Chev 350 stroked out.

If your're on a beer budget like me, just get a Vortec 350, new cam (like maybe $79.99 from Summit), drop that S.O.B. in there with an auto overdrive trans and presto-chango, 20 miles per gallon easy, tire smoking, quiet, and will eat fart-can ricers for breakfast.

nasscmw

Now come to think of it, I wished I dropped in a SL500 engine instead!

Anyways will see how free flow, race cams, blueprint and port and polish goes. If that doesn't make it go any higher than maybe the mossel will go in. But gotta make sure reliability's still there.

Anyone with NA tune suggestions?

ProjectC55

Here you go!


AMG C43 4.3L for sale.

SRDiver

sure
go for a knife edge crank, go for a stroker kit and do the cam.
You could also go for a oversized trottlebody.

nasscmw

Hi Coolcarl, how much are you selling the C43 for?

perzbenz

c43 engine is too heavy, if u would do a swap i'd go with c36 engine or........................... c32 evosport engine SEX

ProjectC55

the C43 engine is lighter and has more hp than the C36 engine So why would he do that?

perzbenz

It really is?,,, hmm i dont think it is lighter, but anyways it will wouldn't fit.

ProjectC55

Yes it is lighter.The C36 uses an iron block while the C43's long block is ALL aluminum.Not only that but it's a little shorter or practically the same length as the C36 engine.If you are unsure,maybe you need to do some research b4 just giving misinformation.Thanx!

nasscmw

Hey, **** I wouldn't mind the C43 in my car. ACtually I would love to have that in my car!!

Don't thnk a V8 engine would a problem in the 190E. Some people have done it, they managed to put in those old carb 6 litre V8s. Think all you need is to have stronger springs. Like putting those SL500 springs.

By the way, does anyone know which V8 is a twin cam engine?

LowBenz89

Is it possible to install a turbo system on a 190E 2.6 Sportline? Didnt see nothing on the web concerning this specific engine.

nasscmw

you could look into the what other people have done for the E260 because its the same engine and also mosselman turbos. Those were made for Mercs!

MTI

It's either "homebrew" or paying over US$5K to Mosselman. For that amount of money, you can get a 2.3-16 to satisfy your "need for speed." There are some handy folks that have done their own turbo and supercharger installs for a lot less than half of what Mosselman would charge, even if they still make the kits.

LowBenz89

You're right. I build my own turbo system on my old Honda Crx 1988. On my Mercedes E190 2.6 the only thing that i'm not to sure is concerning the fuel management... It's not an electronic fuel injection I dont realy know what to use exactly... what about PSI, with the stock engine how high can I go without any risk??

mctwin2kman

The stock CIS system can handle up to about 10 psi before you really need to add anything. You can tweak the EHA to give extra fuel for boost. Some on Mercedesshop have done it. One guy with a V-8 turbo'ed and adjusted his EHA 8 full turns to compensate for the added air and needed fuel flow on a CIS-E system. It can be done! 7 psi is very achievable easily and the CIS system is not the limiting factor for boost if tinkered with. Also on 190revolution.net forums a guy was selling EFI systems with instructions and a basic fuel map for the M102 or M103 motors for around $1000 USD. He was in the Netherlands I believe so you had to pay in there currency but it cam to around $1000 for the setup.

LowBenz89

great! thanks for all those info I think i'm gonna do something like that... fuel management was my biggest concern but seems to be easy after all! What about this injectors? On my old Honda, injectors was a big part of the setup..becose at 10psi they were not able to provide enough gas... but on my 190e 2.6, stocks injectors would be ok?

Matteus

You got a point there,
however... Nasscmw already has a 2.5-16, why would he get a 2.3-16???

Believe me... in this case a forced induction system is one of the best/easiest solutions (if not the cheapest...) to get considerably more power. A Mosselman turbo system is an example (if you find a used system, the price can be ok) , there's also Lotec who has a system for the 16valve engine.
But you can also buy a Garret, KKK or whatever turbo and build youre own kit. not really that hard and probably cheaper... ofcourse if you buy Mosselman, you have quality.

I've found that the 16valve engine responds very well to Turbocharging, without having to change something to fuel injecting.
Turbo, intercooler and custom header and pipes and that 2.5-16 can easily reach 280+ hp.

just some ideas,

greetz,

matteus