503C43 ////AMG

I was coming home from a friends tonight and it was about 12am. I was about to take the on ramp to the freeway when I noticed some halo's riding my ***. As soon as I took the turn to the on ramp the beemer cut into the lane next to me OBVIOUSLY wanting to test the AMG. I slowed to see what it was knowing it was a 3 series but not an M3 and it turned out to be a newer 335I. I am familiar with the biturbo inline 6 and know that it is a BEAST producing 300hp and 300 ft-lb of torque and weighs about 3570 lbs. but I also noticed he had someone else in the car with him and I was riding SOLO. There is a light before the on ramp and I am expecting this guy to want to test my C43 but I also notice it seems he is slowing so he can get a roll in on me instead of the red light romp which turns out to be the case. The light goes green before we get to it and this guy gets on it and I oblige starting out behind him but soon start to gain on him and by the time we hit the freeway I am doing about 70 mph and have to cut all the way over to keep from running into the back of this guy. I get nose to nose with this guy by about 90 mph and keep pulling on him until I look down and see we are at 130 MPH which is the fastest I have taken my C43 and REALLY didn't want to go that fast in the first place. I take my foot off the gas pedal and glance to see where I am at in regard to the 335I and I am about 1 1/2 - 2 car lengths ahead of this guy. WOWOWOW I LOVE MY C43. Off the line I'm sure I would of been DUSTED but at the freeway speeds I was able to pull on him (not an an incredible rate but enough that I nosed him out) and I am sure it was partly due to his extra passenger as well as the fact that he had a manual so the AMG auto probably helped as well. The guy gave me a thumbs up before we parted ways. This made my Saturday night making a beemer owner question his $50k purchase as I am sure he was doing when I started to nose out in front Plus my C43 looked and sounded WAY better

RLx02

The 335i actually has closer to 340hp or so since they dyno at around ~270hp. Either you have a very strong c43 or he had a very weak 335i (or him and his passenger were both fat asses).

I ran my c55 when it just had the tune against my friend's stock e92 335i 6speed and were pretty much dead even until 100 until my longer gearing let me slowly pull away from him.

After the new tune and kleemann headers we went again and we were still neck and neck until about 90 this time when i started to pull from him.

I think the fact that the 6speed auto vs my 5speed auto, which is way more sluggish than his helps him deliver his power down even though I have about 70+ more hp. (410 crank).

Regardless, a win is a win. If a c43 pulled on one, thats pretty amazing.

KJI3jflarryfe93

503C43 ////AMG:
Hey man you are like a kid in a candystore, you live for these moments!
One believable story after another!

Most of the time many AMG drivers gets challenged from other drivers in other performance cars to show what their car is made off!
It can be dangerous!
I hope you know what you are doing when you're reycing?
If smokey busts u on the road you will lose all priviligies to drive you car for several months!

Life in da fastlane is fun but can be risky!

503C43 ////AMG

I looked up the HP on the 335I and this is part of an article I found:

The 2009 BMW 3-Series sedans and wagons get slightly freshened interior and exterior styling. Also, for the first time in North America, these premium compact cars will be available with a diesel engine. The 3-Series offers 2-door coupes and convertibles, as well as 4-door sedans and wagons. Convertibles have a power-retractable hard top. The 2009 3-Series model lineup consists of the following: Entry-level 328, mid-line 335, and high-performance M3. Depending on body style, the 328i is available with rear-wheel drive or with BMW's xDrive all-wheel drive. It's powered by a 230-hp 3.0-liter 6-cylinder engine. Also depending on body style, the 335i is available with rear- or all-wheel drive. Those models are powered by a turbocharged 300-hp version of the 3.0-liter 6-cylinder. New for 2009 is the rear-drive 335d. It has a 265-hp 3.0-liter turbodiesel 6-cylinder that is emissions legal in all 50 states. M3 models use a 414-hp 4.0-liter V8.

I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers but I looked at a couple of articles and they all said the same thing? Maybe this guy was toying with me but I find it hard to believe he was feathering the throttle all the way up to 130 MPH allowing me to nose him out, I could be wrong. The driver didn't look to chunky but the woman in the passenger seat DID . I don't think this guy was a good driver either, but yes a win is a win AMG:1 BMW: 0

503C43 ////AMG

I agree I won't race like this unless it is a CLEAR road ahead. It was early in the morning and we did pass a couple cars (me in the fast lane and him in the slow lane with the cars we passed in the middle lane) but I am not into racing and weaving through traffic and possibly hurting myself and someone else. I wish I could of been one of the cars in the middle lane with a benz and a beemer blowing by @ 130 MPH on either side of me, what a sight and SOUND it must of been

M-bENZ

"it doesnt matter you win by an inch or a mile..wining is wining" LOL.

Andy

jayrasheed

Officially they are rated at 295hp those 335i but it seems to be that they are abit over this number from factory, some claim just over 300 other say they have seen more like 325hp before a tunebox. but the nice thing abt them is that they can easily be tuned to 390-400 hp.

PJmak

Someone posted a kill story vs one of those on here before claiming they beat it with a c43. Noone here believed him, I dunno why


I don't see why that car would be faster then a c43 from a rolling start. Good kill

503C43 ////AMG

Yeah..... don't get me wrong he was right there with me pretty much the whole way. I didn't start to pull until around 90 MPH or so but I definitely was pulling on him. I'm sure from a dead stop he would of had me though but yes a kill is a KILL

RLx02

What they're rated at and how much power they actually make are two different things. A stock 335i puts down ~270hp at the wheels, which translates to much more horsepower than 300, which is what they're rated at. Most people think the 335i is closer to 340hp at the crank. BMW downplayed the number so people wouldn't see that its closer to the m3 in terms of power.


Dude, the c43 as nice as a car as it was when it came out pales in comparison to the technology of a newer 335i. Its pretty hard to believe a stock c43, would outrun a 335i stock, considering stock c43s dyno at around 240hp or so? More importantly, the twin turbos provide enormous amount of torque. I drive my buddy's e92 335i all the time and its fast for a stock car. His car keeps up with my 410hp c55 pretty well up until 90mph or so. I haven't run him from the lights, but I'm sure he's running low 13's stock.

Thats why its hard to believe that a stock c43 would beat a stock 335i unless the 335i had issues or a crappy driver.

But the OP had a kill, regardless. I beat a mustang cobra that was running mid-high 12's at the track one day only because he spun too much at the lights. Yes, his car was faster, but I still won that run. Kill is a kill...but I never promote that my car is faster than a terminator mustang cobra lol.

503C43 ////AMG

Never would I assume my car is faster than a 335I. In my OP I even stated it was probably due to the fact that he had a passenger and wasn't the greatest driver. The 335I does run low 13's.... 13.4 I believe which is easily a full second faster than a stock C43. I am sure if the guy was riding solo and knew how to drive he probably would of beat me BUT on this particular night the C43 nosed him out..... let's leave it at that. AMG:1 BMW:0

P.S I believe you about BMW down playing the numbers.... who wants to buy and $80k M3 when you can drop $50k on a 335I that is a few tenths of a second slower......

LawRens

My turn for 335i story! but i didn't win

Before my transmission took a poop on me and broke into a million pieces, i was in mexico (of course ) running against a friend's r230 sl500 and another friend's e90 335i. We went off a roll at 30mph, and by 100mph when we let go, the 335i had about two-three carlengths on me, and the sl500 was one carlength behind me. The 335i basically just kept pulling up until 90; i don't think the gap would have gotten bigger or smaller after that.

So in other words, I can see how a c43 up top would possibly be able to keep up with a 335i. Because after his fuel pump broke (about two months later) he got it replaced, and they retuned his ecu so turbos would kick in 1000rpm LATER than before (3000rpm instead of 2000rpm). In other words, the dealership just made his car slower, and my friend is pretty pissed at that. My guess is that OP raced a 335i that was more conservatively tuned?

FrankW

if it's a manual 335i it could happen since he could've short shifted, miss shifted, slow shifted, etc etc. however RLx02 is correct on the numbers of the 335. they trap the same speed as the C32 in standing 1/4 miles and that is 5-6 mph faster than the C43.

it's all good nice run

jturkel

+1......

...and FWIW, i've raced quite a few 335is....both when I was stock and modded, and when they were stock and modded....they are NO slouch. that's for sure

TemjinX2

I agree with the statements of rlx02. When my c32 was stock vs stock 335i. We were dead even till about 85mph + then i pulled in mexico. The 335i came out in 2006 which was the last yr of the e46 m3 which costed more but slower in the straightline. So they down played the hp.

PJmak

Theres no science to punching the gas on the highway.


C43 is not faster of the line but the cars are pretty much equal in power and c43 is lighter so it does have a chance to keep up or slightly pull on the 335


And Im sure the tranny in the bmw is not much better

FrankW

30+ rwhp and rwtq and 5mph trap speed difference is not "pretty much equal"...it's like telling people who has a C300 that their car is "pretty much equal" to the C350 when obviously it's not.

PJmak

evo 9 runs high 4s from zero to 60, traps at 106 in a quarter mile


What happened when it raced the C43 from a roll??


Read the kill story on my mbonline, it lost to the c43


335 is rated at 300hp and 300 torque

FrankW

jturkel

evo9's stock don't trap 106. maybe 100. on a good day.

and BMW might say the 335i has 300hp and 300 tq, but they lie so the 335i doesn't compete head to head with the M3...

kind of like how the M113k E55 is only rated at 469hp when it really is closer to 493hp, like that of the M113k SL55.

no chance a 335i is pulled by a C43 at any speed.

TemjinX2

this is a stock dyno on a dynojet for a 335i.
His best run was 273whp.

273/.82 = 332.9hp crank.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343619


Since it was a street race, i'll give the op the benefit of the doubt congrats on the kill.

On paper, the c43 would lose short of some kind of FI.

PJmak

Yes evo does trap that high and it does the quarter mile in low 13s easily

This is the typical response I get when Im arguing in the kill stories that are related to C43s lol. "Oh that car you beat is actually not that fast oh or its actually faster, theres no way you could have beaten it" blah blah blah.

At rolling speeds weight plays a big role too and if you have a blown car with same ammount of power as my N/A, by the time your turbo kicks in im gone and you arent catching up to me.


Btw the m113k is not underrated in the E55, its overrated in the cl and sl and the S. They all make same power. Its overrated for bragging rights because CL, E, and S class have always been above the E class


Our member here raced a 335 and pulled on him, like I said you dont need to be a good driver to do a rolling race. All you need to do is press the pedal

Maybe the c43 got a jump, if the 335 is so much faster, why didn't it catch up?

Im not saying the c43 is faster, matter of fact I said its slower of the line but from a roll its a different story. Give it some credit. Your c55s/c32s are only half a second faster

TemjinX2

from a roll, the power difference would be more obvious since you don't have to worry about launching or traction like you on a 1/4 mile.

The c43 isn't light enough to negate the difference in hp of the 335i. Your logic doesn't make sense.

I gave props to the op since it was a street race, anything can happen.

The guy could've been a manual and couldn't shift or he bought the 335i without the optional oil cooler and the car went into limp mode from over heating.

Maybe he got naked text from megan fox and stopped to look at that. I don't know, I would say it's human error that caused him to lose the race. But a kills a kill.

Like i said on paper, the c43 would lose whether its a dig or from a roll.

503C43 ////AMG

Wow never thought this post would start so much drama

I BARELY nosed this guy out with my pretty much stock C43 (I have the secondary cats and resonator removed for a little better breathing and lighter rims than stock by a couple lbs) I was by myself and this guy had a chunky female in the passenger seat + he had a manual (not the greatest driver) 276 hp > than the stock 240 hp the C43 puts out but the 335I also weighs 100lbs more + the female in the front seat (probably an extra 170 lbs+) why is it so hard to believe??

P.S. Temjinx2 your carputer is SUPER SICK..... I am drooling over it

FrankW

PJ, seriously...every time you are making the same argument and every time you are pointed out wrong.

1. stock EVO traps around 100-104 as stated. 106 you will need to be very good at launch.

2. ALL/EVERYONE with stock E55 that dyno the car shows that the car makes 490+ at the crank after calculation for tranny lost. The SL, S/CL, CLS all dyno similar number as the E55.

3. There is little to NO LAG with the bi-turbo setup the BMW is running on the 335. 3-cylinder per small turbo is very quick to boost. I drove my friend's cars almost every wknd before he switch to the E92 M3. The F10 535i is switching to a single turbo.

4. please look at some of the drag racing videos. HALF A SECOND translate to 2 car lengths easy. why did you think the guys with 5.4L transplant are doing high 12's in the 202? That would have more power and slightly less weight than the C32/55. The C43 at 3440lbs is only roughly 150lbs lighter than the C32/55. The 335 sedan/coupe weights similar to the C32/55 and they dyno 270+ rwhp that translate to at least 330 crank hp.

5. like even the OP said, driver, passenger, if he had a manual makes a difference as well.

6. no one is NOT giving C43 credit, but you are the only one not accepting reality and make a big deal out of it.

perfect example of what a stock 335 does compare to a stock e46 M3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfrR0JXwgJ4