PJmak

The fact that you think the 335 is faster doesn't bother me at all....honestly


The fact that you go with paper stats and also the fact that people always come up with excuses just like the guy above you is kinda annoying.


There have been two c43 VS 335 races posted here and in both....according to the driver the c43 has won


There have not been enough races between these two cars so you cant come and tell me the 335 is faster just by looking at stats. Actually the c43 should be faster if you look at stats. Its got everything the 335 has and is a hundred pounds lighter.

I dont care what your friends dyno shows. Car makes 270 at the wheels??? The fact that a 12 year old car that makes 240 atw kept up nose to nose is kinda embarrassing honestly


All id like to hear is you guys acknowledging that especially coz you all are benz owners too


As far as the E55 case goes. My friend has one and has worked at a benz dealership and has been schooled by them. I believe he knows about this kinda stuff. His car makes around 420 rwhp


You are telling my im not accepting the reality??


The reality is that my friend here raced a 335 and pulled on it. You came in and gave me a bunch of BS excuses and you are telling me Im not accepting reality?

I dont have a problem with my car being slower, come on im old enough to realize that theres always a faster car. I have a problem with people bull****ing me and coming up with lame excuses

FrankW

and that's your lame excuse? if it doesn't bother you you wouldn't be here saying "C43 may be slower, but it will pull on the 335 from a roll"

those are not our friends dynos. They are randomly found on e90post, bimmerforum, etc. AND all of them doesn't matter if they're manual or auto all dyno around the same number stock. It's not that we "think" the 335 is quicker, but it is a fact that the 335 is quicker.

and the dyno numbers for the E55 are also found on every other post on the W211 E55 forum. and 420rwhp = 510+ at crank, so what exactly are you smoking saying the other 55s are overrated? you are not making any sense there on the point you are trying to make. They are rated 469hp at crank by AMG on paper yet dyno at 420rwhp. just FYI, that is what we call "underrated" by factory. The rest of the 55s all dyno similar numbers.

embarrassing how? embarrassing for people that can actually buy new cars that they like? or embarrassing for kids buying old AMGs and Ms and think they are the ****? because seriously, that's about all the impression I'm getting here. typical ricer mentality really. why should anyone be embarrassed about what they drive?

you are the only one that is getting DEFENSIVE on every thread that involves a C43 vs some other cars. you don't see coolcarlski getting worked up or his buddy who also has a 55 swap C43 getting worked up.

have you even read my first post in this thread?

I have drove Wes (another member's C43 on mbworld who now has a E55 and SLK55) and have drove 2 335 on regular basis. I don't need to "race" them to tell which one has more power and quicker.

TemjinX2

the dyno i posted was from a random google search. I don't personally know the guy that posted the dyno. Just go on e90post.com and setup a race on a closed course yourself. You'll see first hand.

SGTzAMG

...interesting....
aside with all the C43 arguement, im curious on how the C32 might put up against the 335i's

TemjinX2

stock vs stock. the c32 will win. Fully modded c32 vs fully modded 335i..the 335i will win. Short of someone doing a turbo conversion on the c32.

Turbo > sc highway racing.

FrankW

i'll say it's a driver's race. the one who can control the wheel spins will pull ahead. The 32 will probably slowly gain some ground as I've noticed the 335 does have a breathing issue on the high end and suffers a little bit after 120.

335 with full tune, intake, exhaust, and intercooler will run 450 crank easy I believe. don't think even a 185 pulley 32 can hang with it. I'll be happy if i have 410-415hp with the stuff i have one right now.

SGTzAMG

HOLY.
sheesh with those numbers it seriously puts the E90/92 M3's on check!
thats interesting, really intriguing as well.
i guess BMW ftw for this one lol

TemjinX2

just go on e90post.com and search. There 335i's hitting 451whp with meth injection.


Thats why i'm so tempted to get one.



http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=404759

SGTzAMG

DAAAYYUUMMMM
im a bit envious lol!

jturkel

so lets do the math here...and since you obviously don't believe or apparently even understand how you can convert between crank and wheel hp numbers from a dyno, we'll stick with whp numbers off a dyno for simplicity purpose for you.

335i: dynos 273whp and weighs 3570 lbs....and i wont add in the extra person, b/c that will just make it too complicated for you
C43: dynos ~240whp and weighs 3250 lbs (well that's the number i found, though someone said it weighs a hundred pounds lighters, so that would be 3470)....

we'll do math for both:

335i: 3570lbs/273whp = 13.08 lbs/whp (and remember, that is WITHOUT factoring the extra person in)
C43: 3250/240whp = 13.54 lbs/whp ....and that's using the lower number i found. using the higher number of only a 100 pound difference
C43 (heavy) 3470/240whp = 14.46 lbs/whp ....ouch, that's high

as a point for reference, my C32 weighs between 3540lbs and 3600 and dynos about 350 whp on 91 octane on a dynodynamics (lowest reading dyno). i'l use the higher weight.
C32: 3600lbs/350whp = 10.29 lbs/whp.............and i run a mid 12 (12.4-12.6 area) at around 113 on 3000 DA on 91 octane.

now when i was stock, and dyno'd about 278whp, i was pulling on a stock 335i, but just a little.....
stock C32: 3600lbs/278 whp = 12.95 lbs/whp......look how close that is to the 335i ratio. only a .13 difference as opposed to the .46 difference between a stock c43 and stock c36.....

on top of that, let's remember that the 335i had an additional person AND has much faster shifting (unless the guy was in a manual....the tiptronic on that car is stupid fast. i test drove one and it blew my mind)

i know a guy who knows guy that has a friend who has a ...... dude. that's great. i watch several E55's get dyno'd weekly at DynoComp out here. and 420whp is WAY more than 469 crank hp.....like state above....

.....you just don't know your stuff. age has nothing to do with it. lo siento.

jturkel

yah. N54 335i with full tune (preferably the JB3HRR or whatever) it's called, catless DPs, catback, dual intake, FMIC....

speaking of which, check this out:

http://burgertuning.com/images/jb3_max_power.jpg

"Our 135i made 440rwhp / 426rwtq using the JB3 with a race gas map, Riss Racing downpipes, Riss Racing catback, Code3 intercooler, and the BMS dual cone intake. Staggering 175hp gains at the wheels, or almost 225hp at the crank! This map powered our 135i to 1/4 mile times of 11.8 and trap speeds of over 120mph! The worlds fastest N54!"

....btw, C32 guys....notice the intercooler brand the use.... lol

TemjinX2

brandon made some good parts, he was just bad on execution side of the business.

jturkel

true....i wasn't ripping on his parts...just the service/execution

TemjinX2

yeah, he just needed a good business partner. He was just horrible on customer service and producing parts. I remember i spoke with him over the phone, he was a good guy. He definitley knew his about cars.

Saaboteur

I was just going to comment about that...if a tuned 335 can make 450rwhp, that kind of power would be nuts on a 135 that weighs less. Pity that the 335 just looks so much nicer than the 135.

I've driven a friend's tuned 335, unfortunately only briefly and in the wet, but the power delivery was most excellent. That kind of 'weapons grade' hp and torque was just a few years ago only in the realm of higher end cars (AMG, M, etc). Having that capability for the price is bewitching.

Steve155

i just finished off a 2010 Mazdaspeed 3 turbo - from the dead red stop light - the guy asked if I would go so I said 'sure'. I lost a little traction off the line but it hooked up and around 90 I started to pull pretty good - he did bring it back up a bit around 110 or so but once at 130 + I was two solid cars ahead. Doesn't sound all that great but the Mazdaspeed 3 turbo is a quick little car! It was a total blast and my 11 year old car did just fine we both had sh*t eating grins on our face and it was a blast

jturkel

yah. it is crazy .... that kind of power in a 135, but they really are only 150 lbs lighter....i'd get the 335i. no question. i've been looking at them for a couple yrs and they are just now finally getting into a price range i can afford

and the power delivery is indeed quite excellent on those cars. they really are amazing.

PJmak

The only problem I have with you guys is that you dismiss the fact that this guy and the other guy who posted the race way back both beat the 335 when you weren't even there to see what happened. Im sure these guys have no reason to lie, they seem like legit lads to me


Its not hard to see when the other car you are racing is going for it or not. Especially if they are similar in power, its not like the 335 would blow the doors of the c43 "if it was trying"



I could care less what the stats say and stats don't mean nothing when it comes to hand assembled AMGs, oh sorry your c32 wasn't hand assembled that's right

FrankW

have you even read that he only won by a nose? and ask for reason that he thought the 335 would be quicker/faster.

AND for the last time, the 335 traps 105-106 in a standing quarter miles. they are 5-6 miles per hour FASTER than the C43 and a full second or more passing the 1/4 mile mark, so YES...the 335 would blow the doors off the C43 just like the C32/55 will to the C43.

seriously, where do you get your retarded information from?

every single AMG engine has been hand built through out the start of AMGs. Other than the right hand drive C55 which was then built in SA plant. The rest of the C32/55 all came from Affalterbach. The chassi was painted and sent to AMG for final assembly on interior, exterior, suspension, and drive train.

jturkel

jturkel

arguing with a retARD just makes people dumber. this guy is just full retard. i'm done with this thread....

SGTzAMG

AMGs ftw =] cmon fellows! show some looooove

Saaboteur

I think an even better comparison is the bang for buck with a tuned 135 vs. an E92 M3.

My latest copy of evo magazine (my bible) lists the 135i Msport as 1560kg, 335i Msport with 1600kg and E92 M3 as 1655kg.

While these are Euro spec figures, that's still about 100kg difference, ie. 220lbs. The quote in my sig says it all - weight loss = free power. But in this comparo, it's not so much the peak power figures that raise eyebrows, but the torque delivery. In this regard, a tuned 135 (or 335) basically belittles the M3.

And WTF is up with BMW's M division re: brakes? Bog standard 135s get six pistons, every thing else makes do with 'bleah' spec brakes. Okay, they probably work fine, but apparently a lot of E46 M3 guys (in the UK at least) go with APs or Alcons. I just think M should be up there with AMG and Quattro's RS models and put nice looking 6 and 8 pot calipers everywhere!

PJmak

Thats very creative ^^


The last AMG assembled by hand was the W210 E55. Just coz the car is built by amg, it doesn't mean its hand built by amg. Look it up before you start calling me names just coz you think you are right and I am wrong


Have you seen the c43 interior?? Compare that to your C32


No offense to c32 owners but it just isnt in the same league

503C43 ////AMG

I am pretty sure AMG engines are still assembled by hand. If you follow the link below there are pics of a G55 and SL55 being assembled by hand in Affalterbach. The G55 was first offered in 2002 I believe which was the last year of the W210..... That would mean that the W210 was NOT the last AMG engine built by hand.
Here's a little AMG eye candy