Finally: MB's own Bluetooth
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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but my knowledge of bluetooth is lmited to getting into my car, placing the phone on the pass seat and voila, it works. I just got my wife a R500 and want to be able to have BT work within COMAND. 1. Will this be possible? 2. If so, what will I need to do it. Thanks in advance.
I don't find it necessary to cradle the phone. Just want to be able to get into the car and use the phone wit the built in microphone and car speakers like I do in my BMW.
I don't find it necessary to cradle the phone. Just want to be able to get into the car and use the phone wit the built in microphone and car speakers like I do in my BMW.
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Originally Posted by Skylaw
I hope the Mercedes branded phone has the BT handsfree function enabled. I am concerned that a VZW firmware update to enable the handsfree protocol could ruin the MB handshake code, preventing me from using the phone in a direct connect MHI mode.
In partial answer to my own concern, my current Mercedes branded V710 does in fact have the Verizon firmware version that enables the handsfree protocol for car kits - it is 8700-01.40.0R (you find it in the phone info menu, other info, S/W version). There may be a more recent version out as well (the 8705_combo.v3, but I don't know what its readout on the phone would be). Verizon V710s with either firmware version should work with the M-B Bluetooth kit without modification when the BT kit becomes available.
I don't know where the Mercedes handshake code that allows use of an M-B branded phone (and the absence of which prohibits use of non-branded phones in a cradle, at the moment) is located in the phone's programming; the 8700-01.40.0R firmware mentioned above is called the SEEM - so if the handshake is in another part of the phone's programming, one could do an update (if needed) to enable Bluetooth without disabling the M-B handshake that lets it operate plugged in to a cradle.
For those of us using Verizon, car kit compatibility charts for their phones are accessible at http://dts.vzw.com/pdf/bluetooth_chart_handsets.pdf and http://dts.vzw.com/how_to_use/bluetooth_car_kit.html - not updated for M-B yet. The M-B compatibility list, when released, will likely be more useful.
Last edited by Skylaw; Dec 4, 2005 at 06:53 PM.
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Originally Posted by jkrutch
I just got my wife a R500 and want to be able to have BT work within COMAND. 1. Will this be possible? 2. If so, what will I need to do it. Thanks in advance.
My suggestion would be to wait until the BT kit becomes available, then have the installation done - and choose your compatible phone at that time (the phones you own may already be compatible).
If you already have an M-B phone kit in the car, you will just add the BT mod and use it with a compatible phone.
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Apparently bluetooth is now available for some of the models. Check out the link below. I'm interested in knowing if anyone has heard anything about this or used it.
http://eiskits.com/argoslaunch4.html
It is expensive but I would bet that most of us would pay it if it works. Any feedback??
http://eiskits.com/argoslaunch4.html
It is expensive but I would bet that most of us would pay it if it works. Any feedback??
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here is the .PDF info for mercedes from that site...
http://eiskits.com/Argos%20for%20MB%...%201.3comp.pdf
https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id=18
Price: $865.00
https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id=17
http://eiskits.com/Argos%20for%20MB%...%201.3comp.pdf
https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id=18
Price: $865.00
https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id=17
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Originally Posted by 2manytoys
here is the .PDF info for mercedes from that site...
http://eiskits.com/Argos%20for%20MB%...%201.3comp.pdf
https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id=18
Price: $865.00
https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id=17
http://eiskits.com/Argos%20for%20MB%...%201.3comp.pdf
https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id=18
Price: $865.00
https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id=17
Last edited by Capt Nemo o2; Dec 9, 2005 at 11:21 PM.
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I just orded the bluetooth Argos system from https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id=1. Dealer informed me that the Mercedes bluetooth will not work on D2B.
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Originally Posted by Capt Nemo o2
I'm a little confused. Does this require the Mercedes phone kit already installed? It doesnt seem like it does. If not, $900 bucks isnt bad considering how much the MB system cost including the phone and installation. Although if you already have the MB system than its a bit pricey.
Note also that the Argos unit shipping for Mercedes is for D2B fiber optic bus cars; it is not available yet for MOST bus cars. There is a Mercedes compatibility/availability chart on their site.
Last edited by Skylaw; Dec 10, 2005 at 08:23 AM.
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Originally Posted by Skylaw
Judging by what I read on the Aardvark/ARGOS site, their equipment replaces the Mercedes PSE. What I am not able to determine from the site is whether the Argos unit will connect the phone to the car's external antenna or whether it uses the phone's antenna inside the car. See the discussion earlier in this thread concerning the impact of using the phone's antenna vs. the car's external antenna. It's more than just range.
Note also that the Argos unit shipping for Mercedes is for D2B fiber optic bus cars; it is not available yet for MOST bus cars. There is a Mercedes compatibility/availability chart on their site.
Note also that the Argos unit shipping for Mercedes is for D2B fiber optic bus cars; it is not available yet for MOST bus cars. There is a Mercedes compatibility/availability chart on their site.
tiggerfink, when you get it installed let us know how you like it.
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Originally Posted by Skylaw
Judging by what I read on the Aardvark/ARGOS site, their equipment replaces the Mercedes PSE. What I am not able to determine from the site is whether the Argos unit will connect the phone to the car's external antenna or whether it uses the phone's antenna inside the car. See the discussion earlier in this thread concerning the impact of using the phone's antenna vs. the car's external antenna. It's more than just range.
Note also that the Argos unit shipping for Mercedes is for D2B fiber optic bus cars; it is not available yet for MOST bus cars. There is a Mercedes compatibility/availability chart on their site.
Note also that the Argos unit shipping for Mercedes is for D2B fiber optic bus cars; it is not available yet for MOST bus cars. There is a Mercedes compatibility/availability chart on their site.
This is what Randy wrote to me.
> Randy,
>
> I need the following questions answered, if I order
> the ARGOS PSE from you.
>
> 1. How long will it take for delivery?
As an "early adopter" it is available now - you would be the first to
verify compatibility with the E815. we have two versions - and it
will be supported one way or the other. Final release of the
software is about 2-3weeks away.
> 2. Who will support me in the USA.
We will -
> 3. Are new firmware updated free?
Yes - during the 1st year.
> 4. Will the Argos System use the car antenna?
No
> 5. Will Argos/cell phone work with the Mercedes Voice
> control module?
Yes
> 6. Are there phone cradles that can power my phone in
> the car?
Maybe - but that isn't something we make.
Last edited by tiggerfink; Dec 10, 2005 at 09:45 AM.
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Originally Posted by Capt Nemo o2
Thanks, I actually found the answer to my question after I posted. I found the installation instructions on the site. It does indeed replace the MB PSE. I emailed them to see when they plan on releasing the version for MOST. I also asked if there is any discount for a group buy. Including myself, I have 4 cars that would be very interested in this, and then if this board gets involved, we can get alot more.
tiggerfink, when you get it installed let us know how you like it.
tiggerfink, when you get it installed let us know how you like it.
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Tiggerfink, thanks for getting the information on the ARGOS BT kit. Please note though that range is not the principal problem in using the phone's antenna, vice the car antennna. This would be a problem in areas of poor coverage, not in mostly heavily populated areas.
The principal problem is the warning in most of our manuals that cell phone transmissions inside the car may damage electronics. I understand the areas of principal concern (not unique to the Mercedes) are airbag electronics, especially side airbags; and ABS control units. My wife scoffed at this idea soon after I bought my 2000 S500, and used her cell phone extensively on a trip - and I had a malfunction in the electronic shift scheduling unit that caused hard shifts in some gears.
The Mercedes BT units will download your phone's SAP, and will use the car's external antenna for communications. This is placed outside the car for the reasons mentioned above.
I know there are comunications engineers (like my wife) who dispute the possibility of damage - but I note news stories recently on unintended airbag deployments (especially side), the warnings in my 2000 Audi A6 regarding damage to the ABS control circuitry with cell phones, and my own experience with the shift controller - so I will take the safer course, personally.
Tiggerfink, have you investigated getting a VRM or a lever through mkbaip, coyotesaftau or Coppertop91 on e-bay?
The principal problem is the warning in most of our manuals that cell phone transmissions inside the car may damage electronics. I understand the areas of principal concern (not unique to the Mercedes) are airbag electronics, especially side airbags; and ABS control units. My wife scoffed at this idea soon after I bought my 2000 S500, and used her cell phone extensively on a trip - and I had a malfunction in the electronic shift scheduling unit that caused hard shifts in some gears.
The Mercedes BT units will download your phone's SAP, and will use the car's external antenna for communications. This is placed outside the car for the reasons mentioned above.
I know there are comunications engineers (like my wife) who dispute the possibility of damage - but I note news stories recently on unintended airbag deployments (especially side), the warnings in my 2000 Audi A6 regarding damage to the ABS control circuitry with cell phones, and my own experience with the shift controller - so I will take the safer course, personally.
Tiggerfink, have you investigated getting a VRM or a lever through mkbaip, coyotesaftau or Coppertop91 on e-bay?
Last edited by Skylaw; Dec 11, 2005 at 10:59 AM.
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Originally Posted by Skylaw
Tiggerfink, thanks for getting the information on the ARGOS BT kit. Please note though that range is not the principal problem in using the phone's antenna, vice the car antennna. This would be a problem in areas of poor coverage, not in mostly heavily populated areas.
The principal problem is the warning in most of our manuals that cell phone transmissions inside the car may damage electronics. I understand the areas of principal concern (not unique to the Mercedes) are airbag electronics, especially side airbags; and ABS control units. My wife scoffed at this idea soon after I bought my 2000 S500, and used her cell phone extensively on a trip - and I had a malfunction in the electronic shift scheduling unit that caused hard shifts in some gears.
The Mercedes BT units will download your phone's SAP, and will use the car's external antenna for communications. This is placed outside the car for the reasons mentioned above.
I know there are comunications engineers (like my wife) who dispute the possibility of damage - but I note news stories recently on unintended airbag deployments (especially side), the warnings in my 2000 Audi A6 regarding damage to the ABS control circuitry with cell phones, and my own experience with the shift controller - so I will take the safer course, personally.
Tiggerfink, have you investigated getting a VRM or a lever through mkbaip, coyotesaftau or Coppertop91 on e-bay?
The principal problem is the warning in most of our manuals that cell phone transmissions inside the car may damage electronics. I understand the areas of principal concern (not unique to the Mercedes) are airbag electronics, especially side airbags; and ABS control units. My wife scoffed at this idea soon after I bought my 2000 S500, and used her cell phone extensively on a trip - and I had a malfunction in the electronic shift scheduling unit that caused hard shifts in some gears.
The Mercedes BT units will download your phone's SAP, and will use the car's external antenna for communications. This is placed outside the car for the reasons mentioned above.
I know there are comunications engineers (like my wife) who dispute the possibility of damage - but I note news stories recently on unintended airbag deployments (especially side), the warnings in my 2000 Audi A6 regarding damage to the ABS control circuitry with cell phones, and my own experience with the shift controller - so I will take the safer course, personally.
Tiggerfink, have you investigated getting a VRM or a lever through mkbaip, coyotesaftau or Coppertop91 on e-bay?
I need some more clarification on the Mercedes Blue tooth. The cell phone transmission may damage some of the car electronics and that is why Mercedes have the cell phones hardware into the car. Is the phone hard wire to the Mercedes blue tooth system? If not, would the transmission between the blue tooth device and the phone do the same damage as using the phone in the car?
Also it would it be a major issue with NHTS if cell phones cause damage to car most important electronic systems, like ABS?
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The BT transmissions are at a different frequency range than the phone's transmission signals, and operate at far less power.
NHTSA has been looking into unscheduled airbag deployments, but I don't know the status; depends on how many people report them and whether there are injuries (I reported a very dangerous problem with the automatic trunk closure on my wife's brand-new Lincoln Town Car - complete with a DVD movie of the occurrence - let's just say we call the car "JAWS" - and since it was the first report to them (not the first one Ford has fixed, by a long shot) it was simply entered into their database, and they notified Ford; no other action.
NHTSA has been looking into unscheduled airbag deployments, but I don't know the status; depends on how many people report them and whether there are injuries (I reported a very dangerous problem with the automatic trunk closure on my wife's brand-new Lincoln Town Car - complete with a DVD movie of the occurrence - let's just say we call the car "JAWS" - and since it was the first report to them (not the first one Ford has fixed, by a long shot) it was simply entered into their database, and they notified Ford; no other action.
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Response regarding Argos from EIS
Hello All, I hope this email will not be construed as a commercial venture, I would just like to clear up some information regarding our product. We designed and manufacture the Argos for MB product. Feel free to email us with any questions! We try not to interviene with any forums but thought it might be applicable to at least initiate some dialog.
I have spoken with someone at MB re the puck and I think you will find that it does not get your cell phone signal outside the car. It seems that alot of posters are concerned about this. Keep in mind that all manufacturers that offer Bluetooth options do not use the SAP in the way you think it means. Remember that you must have a PSE for the puck to work and also that the PSE never acutally had a cell phone transmitter in it. Just look in your trunk you will see that the antenna output of the phone travels a coax cable and (optionally) goes through a compensator and then out to the roof. It never went through the PSE. Nor does our product. You needn't have a PSE for our product to work with your vehicle.
Again, we will be happy to answer your questions but will refrain from posting since we are a vendor until we have permission from a moderator.
Randy...
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I have spoken with someone at MB re the puck and I think you will find that it does not get your cell phone signal outside the car. It seems that alot of posters are concerned about this. Keep in mind that all manufacturers that offer Bluetooth options do not use the SAP in the way you think it means. Remember that you must have a PSE for the puck to work and also that the PSE never acutally had a cell phone transmitter in it. Just look in your trunk you will see that the antenna output of the phone travels a coax cable and (optionally) goes through a compensator and then out to the roof. It never went through the PSE. Nor does our product. You needn't have a PSE for our product to work with your vehicle.
Again, we will be happy to answer your questions but will refrain from posting since we are a vendor until we have permission from a moderator.
Randy...
www.eiskits.com
404-795-2185
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Originally Posted by Skylaw
The BT transmissions are at a different frequency range than the phone's transmission signals, and operate at far less power.
NHTSA has been looking into unscheduled airbag deployments, but I don't know the status; depends on how many people report them and whether there are injuries (I reported a very dangerous problem with the automatic trunk closure on my wife's brand-new Lincoln Town Car - complete with a DVD movie of the occurrence - let's just say we call the car "JAWS" - and since it was the first report to them (not the first one Ford has fixed, by a long shot) it was simply entered into their database, and they notified Ford; no other action.
NHTSA has been looking into unscheduled airbag deployments, but I don't know the status; depends on how many people report them and whether there are injuries (I reported a very dangerous problem with the automatic trunk closure on my wife's brand-new Lincoln Town Car - complete with a DVD movie of the occurrence - let's just say we call the car "JAWS" - and since it was the first report to them (not the first one Ford has fixed, by a long shot) it was simply entered into their database, and they notified Ford; no other action.
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Originally Posted by r207
hey any news on new UHI kits
However how accurate this is only time will tell.
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I went by my dealer today after getting a part number off the mbclub.co.uk website, and can report that the MB Bluetooth cradle that we've seen on this site is now available and in supply. I ordered it today for $474.00 US and should have it on Tuesday. The part number is Q67875839 and is shown on the dealer's 2007 Telematics part list in the system. I was given the same part number on the UK site but instead of a "Q" it began with a "B". I have the UHI interface in my 2006 CLK 350 that I got and self-installed from Steve at mBenzNL, and have been using the cradle for the SE 630 phone. Its been working fine. I've been using bluetooth with my other phone, Moto V600, in my Touareg and so now I should be able to use either phone in the CLK. I'm hoping some setup instructions will come with the part, but if anyone has any leads on that I'd appreciate it in case it just comes in the box by itself. Thanks and I"ll keep you posted.
