Richard

Hi
I suspect that motorola unit is the Teleaid.

Is that a 25 way D-type or a 15-way. To me it looks like the 15way D-Type that is used for VCS (voice recognition).

The 4 pin plug looks like the anntenna compensator for the phone's power lead. The aerial cables either loop thru there, or go to teleaid. - can you do me a close up of the aerial connectors - they look different to Europe.

I suspect theres a 25way D-type under there somewhere.

I will try findout out more info aswell !

Cheers
R

rgleason

If I've already posted this, I apologize. I've communicated with the parts place in Berlin, Germany. They'll be happy to give a 5% discount for a group buy.

Dick

peralex

This is close up of aerial and 4 pin plug behind passenger seat of ML 500 2002 US

peralex

BTW, the part number for that Motorola unit is A220 820 21 85 and the orange label warns you that the unit is vehicle specific.

Richard

[applies to ML only]

Looks like theres another aerial connector hidden in the loom aswell - Im going to assume that goes off to the front of the car ..
So, in order to use it for the phone you need the aerial spiltter/combiner, that will sit between the two cables that are connected together already (one to car aerial, one to teleaid), and allow you to connect the phone aswell.
I dont know that part number, and the cable connectors are different to Europe, so you'll have to buy that in the US. The dealer will have the part number for that,

The other cables i expect to be there arent visible - namely the D2B fibre optic (may be plugged inyo the front of the teleaid unit) and the 10pin RJ45 that extends the phone cable.

Of course, those two may not be fitted into the ML as standard for US markets, because the phone will end up in the centre console so the cable is short ...

Cheers
R

Richard

Ive asked my friendly dealer, yes that is Teleaid.

Can you try looking under the plate that it all mounts on (best done from the front of the car, (slide out the storage draw and press on the clip on one side of it to release fully if you have it)
and see if there are anyother connectors that you can see.

Im looking for a 25way dtype with a grey shell with two wings that clip it onto the standard nokia control unit. (rather than one with screws that hold it onto the motorol unit)

R

peralex

There is another aerial connection which is not used for anything. This is close up of that aerial connector. I will recheck how many pins D-sub connector has sometime today. Do EU ML's have Tele-aid as well? If yes is location of Tele-aid is Identical to ours? Is it possible that Tele-aid unit is a part of Motorola handsfree installation?

peralex

I did not find any other aerial(other than one on close up), but I found fiberoptic cable going to the Motorola unit. I could not really see it (meaning see where it is going) but I could disconnect it and reconnect. Is tele-aid suppose to have fiber optics? And as far as aerial goes - there is one plugged in one and one without connection - seems like it would not have any other use other than going to the phone. This is a close up of that spare connector.

Richard

Yes, Teleaid is on the fibre ring - Im not sure why though.

European Teleaid has a full blown phone built into it (and a GPS receiver) - I dont know how the US teleaid works. My gut feel says they could have made that act as the telephone - but they dont because they can charge more money :-) and it would be complicated with billing

rgleason

Here is a picture of the phone pre-wiring in my trunk. It is located behind the right wall panel between the rear wheel well and the rear light. Notice the annotation to identify the connections.

If any of you are looking for the wiring in your own car, that's where it is.

Dick

peralex

I beleive that our (US) Tele-Aid is built same way, meaning that it works just like cell phone. First year MB allow you to use 30 minutes in a year free and no yearly subscription. After first year subscription is $240 plus mintutes on top of that, which means whoever carrier is (Verizon, AT&T or anybody else) I am sure their bill is well covered by MB Tele-Aid users. As far as being a full blown phone - I do not know but certainly sounded like one and uses same hardware the installed phone does (Mike and speaker).

Richard

If its using the same speaker (ie the car's speakers) then that is why it connects to the D2B bus (fibre ring), so it can talk to the COMAND/Amp to connect it to the speakers

R

Richard

Perfect. The grey wings on the 25 way D-type clip into the Nokia phone support electronics. The 4 way connector (which should have 3 wires in it) is the power for the compensator/booster (+12, Gnd, switch-on).
I presume the aerial lead that goes to the bumper is connected to another aerial lead that goes to teleaid. (and therefore have the wrong connectors to connect to the european GSM1800 booster) (the european ones have tiny connectors with black clips, the US ones seem to have screw on ones that are just under half inch in diameter)

So, you do need a mounting plate, and the antenna switch/splitter.

Cheers
R

peralex

In my ML 500 Tele-Aid using it's own speaker mounted on right hand side of the base of passenger seat

rgleason

Richard, would you mind doing me a favor and seeing if there is a European part number for this mounting plate? Also, I wonder if it might be possible to use a two way splitter like they make for television cabling rather than the stock splitter, do you think?

Thanks,

Dick

rgleason

I just spoke to the parts department at the dealership where I bought my car. I asked if I can get an antenna splitter, a phone mounting bracket, and a compensator from them. The parts guy told me that these are all parts of kits and that I would have to purchase the kits ($600 & $200) to get those parts. They do not sell the parts invididually. The compensator isn't a big deal because Richard wrote that he believes that the Nokia phone will work without this. I'm sure that I can probably create the bracket myself (wood or metal) if I have to. I'll have to if there isn't a European bracket that I can get. As I wrote in a previous email, perhaps I can use an antenna splitter used to split television coax cable (see image below)????? Do any of you know where I might be able to buy the above as parts rather than having to buy the whole kits?

Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Dick

Richard

Hi, there isnt a european part, because they dont put it there in Europe, they put it in that centre compartment
(you could infact move the wiring to the centre compartment, I imagine its the correct length to do that and will save you making a bracket, I have a diagram that I will email you)

The splitter isnt a splitter, its a "switch" - that web site I sent you has the US part number for it .... I would use the right part - primarily because telaid uses the aerial - and i think they are tuned to the mobile frequency (as that web site shows two important bits of info (a) theres different parts for dual-band and (b) you dont use this if you dont have teleaid)
I will find out if there is a EU equivalent !!


Cheers

R

rgleason

Thanks. As I said above, however, my dealer (and I assume this will hold for all dealers) said that I have to buy a whole kit to get the antenna switch. I think it's the completer (or completor) kit and it costs $200.00. I hope there is a EU equivalent. I'll appreciate your letting me know.

Thanks again,

Dick

rgleason

Richard, I ordered most of these parts from Speed Autoteile in Germany, but they informed me that, "unfortunally 203 823 00 60 is on factory backorder with NO delivery date." Is the lack of that clip going to cause me major problems? It only costs .90 USD so it doesn't appear to something that plays a major role in the installation, or does it? Please advise!

Thanks,

Dick

Richard

Im not sure what it does, it was just on the parts slide, so I guess you can do without it !

R

peralex

Hi, Richard. I installed Ericsson T68i in my ML500 and while doing that I noticed rj-45 like connector (male) and two aerial connectors behind center console. Is that a connection for the phone? I could not find any of 25-pin D-type connectors anywhere else. Thanks

Richard

Yes. On European cars, the other end of those cables are under the front right hand seat, where the phone electronics will plug in
- Im not quite sure if thats where they go on US cars ..

R

rgleason

You guessed in former communications with me that the D2B cables probably run from the trunk to somewhere up near the head unit. Adam Winer told me that in a US car with a BOSE amp, one would tie the phone into the amp which he said is in the trunk. But my car doesn't have a BOSE amp or as far as I can tell, an amp of any kind. Any more ideas about where the tie-in might be? If it is near the head unit, does that mean I need to pull the head unit or unscrew the panel under the dash?

Also, any idea where in the UK I could get a reasonably priced Nokia 6310i? I tired to buy one on ebay, but the seller took my money and didn't deliver.

Thanks,
Dick

Richard

Hi

I think they'll be up by the head unit ... but I really have no idea .. you could ask your friendly US dealer :-)
-Its probably worth removing the panel above passenger footwell and seeing if theres anything obvious - its much simpler then the headunit ..

6310i. 185+VAT (sim-free (ie without contract) on www.expansys.com - they should not charge you the VAT if you have them ship directly to the USA

- Im sort of surprised by the ebayer. perhaps you can use the ebay buyer protection to get 90% back ?

Cheers

R

rgleason

I should'da, would'da, could'da been more careful. The guy recommended bidpay, which I thought would give me a certain amount of protection. But in reality, bidpay simply generates a money order to a buyer. When he asked for a money order or a personal check, I should have declined doing business with him. I guess you live and learn!

He had over 100 positive feedback comments, no negatives at the point I purchased from him. Should see all the negatives now!

Dick