new plan for a few hp+
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new plan for a few hp+
ok- here's my idea. I don't know if anyone here is familiar with phastbenz's (from Club202) C36 AMG, but he modded his intake so that it brought in cold air from the foglight hole in the bumper. I really liked this idea, and it eliminated the airbox, which was also cool. I am going to try this but need to come up with a screen to fit over the bumperhole that will allow air into the filter, but not water if it's raining.
Second thing, I'm going to go to work on the exhaust pipes. I want to replace my stock exhaust up to the header with a Remus cat-back system and a high-flow cat. (while eliminating the smaller "pre-cat" under there) I know a local guy that can help me with any welding associated with this modification.
To top off this mod, I want to purchase a powerchip. (maybe a bt into the future because of $ concerns)
Here's what I was wondering- how much hp will these mods add together? I was thinking 15, maybe 20 if I sing my benz to sleep each night to get on her good side.
out-
-sholly
Second thing, I'm going to go to work on the exhaust pipes. I want to replace my stock exhaust up to the header with a Remus cat-back system and a high-flow cat. (while eliminating the smaller "pre-cat" under there) I know a local guy that can help me with any welding associated with this modification.
To top off this mod, I want to purchase a powerchip. (maybe a bt into the future because of $ concerns)
Here's what I was wondering- how much hp will these mods add together? I was thinking 15, maybe 20 if I sing my benz to sleep each night to get on her good side.
out--sholly
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Sholly, catback exhaust with chip and intake will get you twenty. and you will feel a difference.
Exhaust, what size diameter piping are you planning on? too big is bad, loss of backpressure, too small is bad too restrictive.
intake, dont bother with the technique you mentioned... just ge the cold air intake and mount it in place of the factory airbox... then enlarge the hole that sits right by the grill. it will get you the same ram air intake effect you are talking about without the hazards of worrying about water induction. trust me... ive done the side by side and went with what i recommended to you.
Exhaust, what size diameter piping are you planning on? too big is bad, loss of backpressure, too small is bad too restrictive.
intake, dont bother with the technique you mentioned... just ge the cold air intake and mount it in place of the factory airbox... then enlarge the hole that sits right by the grill. it will get you the same ram air intake effect you are talking about without the hazards of worrying about water induction. trust me... ive done the side by side and went with what i recommended to you.
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it won't be cold if its in the sam spot right? HKS had something that said it was cai, but it was still in the same location so its still getting hot air, just more of it, so won't more hot air cause the car to lose performance, or am I off base here? aho, I'm looking at you, my money says you know the answer
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it'll be cold as long as you extend the piping to the opening next to the grill. alot of people make the mistake of putting a "cold air intake" in, but leave it sitting in the factory position. well thats a bad idea, cause all it is doing is exactly what you said Ashkan...sucking in hot air. if you extend the diameter of the hole and extend the piping to reach near the outer area... BINGO!...true "cold (and fresh) air intake". you'll not be sucking in hot air from the engine bay. then you'll have the desired effects.
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do you have any pointers on how to expand the stock ram air tube that sits next to the headlight? it looks like there isnt much room to expand it because it sits right in between the radiator frame and the headlight.
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Wow-aho, great, and full explanation, as usual. I'm going to try this. Would I be able to run that heat shield piping for the MAF right to the grille, or is there a kit you recommend? THanks-
-sholly
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you can use the heat shield... make sure it isnt too tight... give it a good size diameter... just make sure it isnt close to the motor or fans. anything that reflects heat is good. trust me, thats the way to do it. let me know if you need more info man.
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Aho- first let me say thanks for the directions. They sound real easy to follow. Secondly, I tried to explain your method for the intake on club202, but on one accepts it. They want to run the tube every other place in the engine bay and use heat shield wrap on the headers... To me, your method sounds much easier, you dont need to remove the bumper, and you don't need to worry about rain entering the filter if its placed behind the grille. I guess I'll just have to try it your way and show em'... anyway, I'll see you saturday-
-sholly
anyway, I'll see you saturday--sholly
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Originally Posted by ShollyC220
Aho- first let me say thanks for the directions. They sound real easy to follow. Secondly, I tried to explain your method for the intake on club202, but on one accepts it. They want to run the tube every other place in the engine bay and use heat shield wrap on the headers... To me, your method sounds much easier, you dont need to remove the bumper, and you don't need to worry about rain entering the filter if its placed behind the grille. I guess I'll just have to try it your way and show em'... anyway, I'll see you saturday-
-sholly
anyway, I'll see you saturday--sholly
club202 guys...BWAHAHAHA, that place is a joke. there are about three guys on there that actually know what they are talking about, and those three guys know from reading a magazine, not from implicating the upgrades. i've owned many high performance cars, and a custom shop... and ive done these upgrades on my own cars. i speak from experience... ive tried both methods on my c36 and my c43. its funny you mention club202... both my c43 and c36 are owned by members of that board.
im telling you for a fact that my method is as stable if not better than theirs. plus, with my method you risk no water damage.
Sholly, we're talking about a simple intake upgrade, not about blowers and turbines. trust me man, save yourself time and aggravation.
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hey pointman i think ur method might be very good, but do u have pics u can post of your intake? how exactly do you expand the opening in the grille? any clear instructions on how its done? also i noticed that on the upper left backside of the stock w202 grille the slots are BLOCKED OUT in the back right in the corner where the air enters the intake. dont these restrict airflow??? or has benz done it to keep water from entering the OEM airbox? thanks man
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Let me know if you have any questions in regards to Powerchip's performance software... I'll always be glad to help. 
If you are going to order, shoot me a call or email and I'll be sure to hook you up.
Sincerely,
Aaron
If you are going to order, shoot me a call or email and I'll be sure to hook you up.
Sincerely,
Aaron
