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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 05:43 PM
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Trans flush $400 ?

..I was told by a Mercedes tech at one of the dealerships to have the trans flushed well before the recommended 100k interval. One dealer quoted $400, another dealer would'nt quote, because it "doesnt need to be done" yet.. Anyone here pay for a trans flush lately?
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 08:18 PM
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I just wanted to let you know that Jiffy Lube does this as well. They have a machine that cycles it thru. I know Jiffy Lube doesn't have a good reputation but I take my Jeep there to do the fluid changes and never had a problem.

I don't take my MB there because I do my own maintenance but they do have the trans flush and oil flush and it doesn't cost $400. I think it costs like $200 for trans flush. $100 for oil flush.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:09 PM
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Pop goes the can of worms again....

1. 100K recommended interval? Where did that number come from? What does your owners manual say? It says....the fluid is good for life unless abused or used commercially. The only valid/proven reason I've heard to change it is it makes you feel better.
2. Jiffy lube? I've read about the machine/process that connects in line with the trans cooler hose but you need to drop the MB trans pan anyway to replace the filter so why do the in line?
3. If you do change it....make sure you use the correct fluid.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:17 PM
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My independent MB dealer flushed and replaced the tranny fluid on our ML430 for $250. The tranny shifted MUCH better after it, like brand new again. Nice and smooth shifts.

The transmissions use synthetic ATF, it's about $9-$11 / quart.

MB says "lifetime" fluid but the fluid that came out of the ML was pretty much black and shavings...good to do for piece of mind and longevity of the transmission. Some agree and some don't
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:50 PM
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How many miles on the ML before the tranny flush?
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 10:31 PM
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my dealers uses the BG Products tranny flush system with synthetic fluid.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 11:33 PM
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my dealers uses the BG Products tranny flush system with synthetic fluid.
And your point is???
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Buellwinkle
How many miles on the ML before the tranny flush?
we did it at 70k miles. By then, the tranny was not buttery smooth shifts like it was prior. our w220 is not shifting as smooth now too, 48k miles...thinking it may need a flush soon?
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 12:11 AM
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Of course bm would say it's good forever.. or at least good for as long as the warranty is!

Synthetic fluids do last a long time but it surely doesn't last forever. I'd definitely change it by 50,000 miles if not sooner. If you're past 25K and haven't ever checked it I suggest doing that and seeing how it looks. If it's burnt looking swap it out.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mleskovar
2. Jiffy lube? I've read about the machine/process that connects in line with the trans cooler hose but you need to drop the MB trans pan anyway to replace the filter so why do the in line?
Just dropping the pan only replaces a portion of the fluid. The flush systems clear the lines, valve body, torque converter, cooler, and internal passages. This removes a significant amount of debris from the transmission. I have used a Bilstein machine (same as the gas shock absorbers) on other cars, and found it cleaned the transmission so that the fluid on the dipstick was clean, without any bad smell, and the transmission shifted better. You do need to change the filter in the transmission as well. Shop charged $ 139 for the flush, and the total bill with fluid, filter, and adjustments was $ 189.

The manual for my car suggests that changing the fluid is not required until 143,000 miles, along with the engine coolant. Seems long to me, but so is German opera.

The only part of the drive line I see that needs service earlier is the guibo, which they say to inspect every 52,000 miles.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 08:38 AM
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Wouldn't you need a new transmission around 100k miles anyways?
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 08:53 AM
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I sure hope not!!?? I had my trans flush done and yes it shifted much smoother, just a peace of mind i guess.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Kompressor4u2nv
Wouldn't you need a new transmission around 100k miles anyways?
definitely not...unless the tranny has been abused or whatnot. MB's transmissions are pretty well engineered, especially the standard issue 5-speed. As long as the fluid is changed at somepoint in it's life, it should be good to go. Somewhere around 50-70k miles is a good interval to change out the fluid...though some/most dealerships won't do it, may have to find an independent MB place to do it.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GDawgC220

MB says "lifetime" fluid but the fluid that came out of the ML was pretty much black and shavings...good to do for piece of mind and longevity of the transmission. Some agree and some don't
...The Tech I spoke with was very serious about flushing and replacing the filter, regardless of the factories recommendation. He works on the cars, and sees what goes on, and apparently has been an mb tech for many years.
These days the gimmick is to sell the customer on "maintenence free for as long as possible". General motors has 150k mile coolant, or 5 years. I have seen several cases where the coolant gells and ruins the radiator befor 100K.
My father in law is a tech for cadillac and says the coolant also turns acidic, eating intake gaskets, and head gaskets. I expect the bet is that the vehicle will change owners once or twice by the time its first service is "due".

..On a good note, the mb tech stated that the trans is very strong as long as it's service, the radiator doesnt leak coolant into the trans cooler portion, and the glitchy electronics have been replaced, not just reprogrammed.(trans control module)
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 12:13 PM
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[QUOTE=mleskovar]1. 100K recommended interval? Where did that number come from? What does your owners manual say?





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dont believe everything you read.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 12:49 PM
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[dont believe everything you read.
Another round of "I know better than the engineers who designed it what the requirements are because (choose one) A MB mechanic said so - It happened to my neighbor - It's a lie by the manufacturer to sell more cars - It's common knowledge fluid can't last that long - You can tell by the color and smell of the fluid - I did it an now my transmission doesn't slip anymore (like it revitalized worn clutch packs) - It's cheap insurance - etc." I'm not just trying to be contrary but all of the reasons are without merit. If you truly abuse your car with jackrabbit starts, constant high-torque shifting, constant stop and go driving, or heavy loads then it may help. Those should be the first questions, not how many miles.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 01:53 PM
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Another round of "I know better than the engineers who designed it what the requirements are because (choose one) A MB mechanic said so - It happened to my neighbor - It's a lie by the manufacturer to sell more cars - It's common knowledge fluid can't last that long - You can tell by the color and smell of the fluid - I did it an now my transmission doesn't slip anymore (like it revitalized worn clutch packs) - It's cheap insurance - etc." I'm not just trying to be contrary but all of the reasons are without merit. If you truly abuse your car with jackrabbit starts, constant high-torque shifting, constant stop and go driving, or heavy loads then it may help. Those should be the first questions, not how many miles.
..mechanical evidence has merit. An experienced mechanic would be as qualified as an engineer to talk about wether or not mechanical evidence supports changing fluids now or later.
So long as his professional opinion is based on what he actually sees on a mechanical level, what he says has merit.
Clogged radiators, and sludge for coolant prooves that the engineers, or someone, missed the boat on 150k mile coolant. The engineer is'nt fixing the car, the mechanics are.

I appreciate your input, and also you others.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 02:00 PM
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my dealers uses the BG Products tranny flush system with synthetic fluid.
...How much do they charge you?
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Originally Posted by mleskovar
Another round of "I know better than the engineers who designed it what the requirements are because (choose one) A MB mechanic said so - It happened to my neighbor - It's a lie by the manufacturer to sell more cars - It's common knowledge fluid can't last that long - You can tell by the color and smell of the fluid - I did it an now my transmission doesn't slip anymore (like it revitalized worn clutch packs) - It's cheap insurance - etc." I'm not just trying to be contrary but all of the reasons are without merit. If you truly abuse your car with jackrabbit starts, constant high-torque shifting, constant stop and go driving, or heavy loads then it may help. Those should be the first questions, not how many miles.
Question : Do you base your oil changes upon this same thinking ?
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 02:15 PM
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Shop charged $ 139 for the flush, and the total bill with fluid, filter, and adjustments was $ 189.
for $200 bucks, I think that some good insurance. Although I only have 20K miles, I think I will eventually flush mine when the mileage gets higher. I might need to get the name of the shop that did this for you
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 03:03 PM
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Question : Do you base your oil changes upon this same thinking ?
Yes, I follow the FSS recommendations. So do most people driving under normal conditions. Same with the transmission fluid. The point I'm trying to make is it's a non specified maintenance interval that people attach some mileage to that is not based in reality. Do a search and look at how varied the "recommended" miles are on this forum alone. They're all over the place. Would you pull apart and lube or replace a perfectly functioning sealed ball bearing? Engineering, materials, and lubrication have come a long way since the automobile was first invented but it seems that people just don't want to trust the engineers. Why should I care? You are wasting natural resources. Why should you care? All car companies will tell you many problems are directly caused from doing unneccessary maintenance....and you are wasting money.
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Yes, I follow the FSS recommendations. So do most people driving under normal conditions. Same with the transmission fluid. The point I'm trying to make is it's a non specified maintenance interval that people attach some mileage to that is not based in reality. Do a search and look at how varied the "recommended" miles are on this forum alone. They're all over the place. Would you pull apart and lube or replace a perfectly functioning sealed ball bearing? Engineering, materials, and lubrication have come a long way since the automobile was first invented but it seems that people just don't want to trust the engineers. Why should I care? You are wasting natural resources. Why should you care? All car companies will tell you many problems are directly caused from doing unneccessary maintenance....and you are wasting money.
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..I see your reasoning, and I agree that somtimes maintenence can be carried too far, but in some cases, the guideline is not enough. And thats what I am concerned about. A technician tells me that lack of maintenence on a specific component is causing problems and later could lead to malfuntion or failure, it's fair to make some adjustments. And in some cases, a must. Like dex-cool coolant for example, or oil changes on chrysler 300m's, or northstar sparkplugs before 100k to prevent electrolisis and welding to the cylinder head. And if engineers were 100%, thered be no such thing as a recall.
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$400 trans flush update.

....Advisor at my local dealer mis quoted, manager re-quoted, $238.00, and also recommend that it be done 60-70 k, regardless of what the manual says. A tech that has been with MB agreed with this, and also recommended fuel filter be done around then also. "I'd service the trans early, unless you want to buy one"quote. This is the second technician, second dealership to warn me of this.
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Another round of "I know better than the engineers who designed it what the requirements are because .
Don't be stupid. An engineer takes his best guess, and often times its more than just the facts that go into his or her decision. And to think that the engineers are infalible is downright foolish.

How something behaves in the real world is often times different, sometimes vastly, than it did in the testing enviroment.
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Don't be stupid. An engineer takes his best guess, and often times its more than just the facts that go into his or her decision. And to think that the engineers are infalible is downright foolish.
Jeez, rude arent' you. Engineers guess??? I suppose you just happen to know an engineer who told you he guessed his way through designing the Enzo? Get real, you have nothing but opinions based on hearsay...even you admit that. Of course mechanics tell you they see tranmissions fall apart at X miles....people don't bring their cars in to be repaired because they're running properly. My point from the beginning of this thread is when someone asks for advice why don't you point out what was recommended by the designers first and temper that with driving style. Just throwing out baseless mileage numbers to someone asking for advice is irresponsible.
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