SuperQ

I have been waiting and waiting for some sign of a kit or a turbo charger, or a super charger for the 2006 c230. With it's small V6, it seem to me that this engine could be made into a pretty quick beast, but I haven't seen anything yet. In a post below mine it said that the new C (w204) will start out with a 4cylinder engine again, so I am guessing the 2006 c is the last and only c230 with a v6. Has anyone seen any mods yet? like a complete kit for the engine or something? I am itching for a faster car. So tempted to trade it in on a c55 amg or a used clk55 amg, but I keep telling myself the body style on all those will change, just hold onto what you got and wait for the mods to come out for it. So again I guess my questions are, has anyone seen any good mods out there, and will this car be good for moding or is the small v6 just too small?

MB-BOB

Q, I think the jury is out on the lineup for 2006. I certainly don't think the "small" V6 is a one-year situation. Why do all the development work and implement dealer maintenance training for an engine offered for only one year?

One scenario would have the 4 cyl as the base model, the 3.0L V6 the mid model and the C350 the top (non-AMG) as the US line-up... Keep in mind there are a whole group of engines available in Europe that are not available here. It's possible the small V6 could be offered in Europe only in future, but again, I don't see why MBUSA would introduce market confusion for a one-year flash in the pan. Just my 2-cents.

As for performance mods, history tells us it takes a year or more for any significant mods to appear for MBs... MB's are a niche market (read, not wide demand), and mods for them are expensive and need quite a bit of development. As for mods that did appear for the early W203 V6s, these were limited to adjusting pulley sizes and replacing chips. I couple people have tried the add-a-supercharger trick, but I recall these were one-offs. (someone correct me if otherwise.) Most development appeared to be for the supercharged 4cyl, instead, where mods can yield bigger HP gains. That's the opinion of others, at least, not necessarilly mine.

trust203

Keelmann is going to have a supercharger kit for new V6 engine that use on 2006 C230,C280 and C350 on spring 2006, just try to save my money now !!

Outland

Just trade the car in for the C350 or a USED C32. The 10K Kleeman will want for the blower isn't worth it. Even with it, the C350 will still probably be just as fast or more out of the box.

SuperQ

u think that little bit bigger engine (still a v6) will be that much faster? I can't imagine that, my v6 in a stick shift is pretty dam quick so i know with some add on's it should be fast!


p.s. thanks for the quick response BOB! How ya doing bro? You have a good christmas? We need to get together soon, maybe we can meet up this weekend, sunman is coming friday to do the rest of my mod's

lokisdog@yahoo.

2.5 versus 3.5, that's a whole liter of displacment, a lot in real life terms. You need to try the C350, it's significantly faster, which is why I bought one.

- Eric

MB-BOB

Doing wonderful, my friend. I've left you a PM about this weekend.

Buellwinkle

I don't get it, you had the chance to get a C280 or C350 and you chose the slow economical one. I'm assuming that if you could afford the Kleemann kit for about $10K installed, you could've afforded the jump to the C350 but since you didn't, that's out. So your best bet now for something cheap is to install a NO2 kit, get you C350 power on demand, pay per shot approach.

BTW, you may want to check with the forums owners, Evosport to see if their V6 pulley kit designed for the C240/C320 would work if they are coming out with one for the new motors. This should get you about 12HP give or take.

SuperQ

I didn't know anything about the c350 or 320. If I had known more i would have gotten the c55 amg and been done with it. I just went in and bought the 230 because I liked the way it looked and I needed a car asap (long story). I didn't like the way the "luxury" C looked, and I didn't know at the time that they made a bigger engine sport model of the C. I will get the kleeman kit when it comes out or just trade this car in on something else. Only problem is I sort of want to wait for the new body styles in 2007. I have my eye on a 2004 clk55 amg though, just not sure exatly what I want to do.

anonymouse

Engine 2.5L 24-valve V-6 engine
Net Power 201 hp @ 6,200 rpm
Net Torque 181 lb-ft @ 2,700 - 5,000 rpm

vs

Engine 3.5L 24-valve V-6 engine
Net Power 268 hp @ 6,000 rpm
Net Torque 258 lb-ft @ 2,400 - 5,000 rpm


Looking at the torque numbers, I think there is a significant acceleration factor...but not as big of a difference between teh C350 and teh C55


Engine AMG-built 5.5L 24-valve 90-degree V-8 engine
Net Power 362 hp @ 5,750 rpm
Net Torque 376 lb-ft @ 4,000 rpm

SuperQ

LOL I walked in and paid cash for my C 230, so I think I could/can afford pretty much any of the MB's that my dealer had at the time. I just hadn't done the research on MB, because in truth I wasn't even plannign on getting one, it was kinda a love at 1st sight thing.

Sauceboy01

Honestly, we dont even have mods for the 2005 C230's yet! so looks like you'll be waiting a while.

benzmodz

What is your power requirement ? It's all well and good to mod the engine but is there a certain power-to-weight ratio that will meet your needs ?

Simply asking for a mod .... especially at Kleeman prices ..... may not make any economic sense.

Buellwinkle

Since money is no object and you've already taken the big depreciation hit for the year, if it were me, I would wait until the 2007's come out in 6 months (typical C-Class release dates) and trade in for one of those, in the meantime relax and enjoy. Consider that the car does 0-60 in about 7 1/2 seconds it's no slouch, just not a rocket. This way you'll really appreciate the extra ponies.

Outland

Yep. The 280 is faster. The old 230's were faster. The old 320 is faster...so yes, I definately think the 350 would be that much faster. Figure 8 or so to sixty with your car...5.4 to sixty with the 3.5L engine.

Its about average today. Even family sedans and several minivans are as fast or more so.

Really. Have you gotten out your bolt on calculator to find out how fast?

SuperQ

nope I haven't calculated yet. I know everyone says that the 06 is a slug, but I really don't think you guys have driven a 6sped that has been broken in. Anyway, I was thinking of trading in on a c55 and the stealership wants 61-63k for those here and they only want to give me 25k for my car. I found a 2004 clk55 amg online that only has 12k miles, so I am considering that too. Also considering just waiting a few months for the new 07's to come out, except I have always herd never buy a car in the 1st year of new release, so instead of 6months it would probably be more like a year or a year and a half. Still can't decide. Guess it will come down to how much I can talk the clk guy down to, and how impatient I am feeling. Maybe I am just feeling this way because my mom just bought herself a lexus gs 430 loaded, and she even got the same color as my car! LOL

Might be better just to get a very nice bolt on super charger or turbo or whatever kit and just keep my car till the 2nd year of the 07's... still can't decide. sigh


p.s. I guess 25k trade in for my car is pretty good considering u guys out in so cal bought yours new for 25k :v

mick1

the numbers, they don't lie or do they ?

Mercedes:
2006 mb c230 (manual trans), 0-60 mph in 8.0 seconds
http://www.mbusa.com/models/features...0WZ&class=06_C

The competition:
2006 bmw 325i (manual trans), 0-60 mph in 6.7 seconds
http://bmwusa.com/vehicles/3/2006325isedan/techdata.htm

Outland

That is just embarassing, isn't it? The old car had less HP, fewer cylinders, and was nearly a liter smaller...but quicker. You guys can have all the "refinement" you want.

mick1

Now this is fast!

2006 MB C55, automatic, 0-60 mph in 4.9 seconds
http://www.mbusa.com/models/features...C55&class=06_C


2006 BMW M3, not specified, 0-60 mph in 4.8 seconds
http://bmwusa.com/vehicles/M/M3Coupe/techdata.htm

Outland

Yeah...but for the sixty g's they cost, the 5.4seconds to 60 of the C350 is a much better deal. I'd also never by the C55, its got too many doors. At least the C350 could be had as a Coupe(in germany at least). The CLK55 is looking a little shaky as well. Explains why a C63 and CLK63 are on the way, right?

Frankly, if I were to lay down some bucks for a unique and stellar performance car right now, I'd get the Pontiac Solstice(don't laugh) Mallett LS2. The Mallet Solstice sells for 37K, and runs to 60 in 4.2 seconds. And its all under warranty. What a steal, eh? Now, they just need to make a version of the Saturn SKY with that kind of performance(like the styling better), and I'm outta here!

benzmodz

mick1

I test drove the regular Solstice at a GM event and found the driver's area to be too small for my liking. Don't know if the driver's area for the Mallet version is any larger.

They got the Saturn Sky there too, and the Saturn looked better than the basic Solstice.

For $37K, i would get the 2006 Shelby Cobra. It probably can't match the 4.2 seconds figure of the Mallet Solstice but it's larger and got about 450 hp. That's enough to beat plenty of cars on the road

Outland

Probably not. Hey, its a two seater.

Its a beauty....I'm still kinda pissed that the SKY design is really just the Vauxhall VX Lightning with a different badge on the nose. Why is it so hard for the idiots here in the US to style a car?

Is this just a shelby 'branded' replica, or a reworking of the car into something new?

mick1

Check this out

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=3010

0 - 60 mph in 4.5 seconds

the car in the article is a convertible so it costs a bit more

Outland

Ah. I see...its a MUSTANG Cobra. When you said 'Shelby Cobra', I assumed the llittle AC bodied Cobra from the 60's...

Here you....Link trade.

If I had a Hammer
Mallett forges a beast out of the Pontiac Solstice

By NATALIE NEFF

AutoWeek | Published 12/19/05, 10:45 am et

AT A GLANCE:
2006 Mallett Pontiac Solstice V8
ON SALE: Now
BASE PRICE: $37,995 (including $19,995 for the Solstice)
POWERTRAIN: 6.0-liter, 400-hp, 395-lb-ft V8; rwd, five-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 3010 lbs
0 TO 60 MPH: 4.2 seconds (mfr.)

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