Blown Supercharger
10-14-2006, 03:00 PM
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On 3/18/02 with approximately 4,000 miles, a K23 Kleeman boost kit was installed on my C Coupe. Today, 10/7/06 with 61,000 miles, my supercharger, according to a local Mercedes dealer, "blew up." They say it will cost approximately $2,000 to replace the supercharger. But wait... There's more 
Only after replacing the supercharger can they determine if any OTHER damage has been done to other parts of the engine, including the exhaust system. What to do.
I have been good to this car from the day I drove it off the showroom floor, and have not beaten it up over the years I've owned it. The pulley was the only modification to the engine. I am aghast at what has taken place.
Has this happened to .anyone else?
Only after replacing the supercharger can they determine if any OTHER damage has been done to other parts of the engine, including the exhaust system. What to do.I have been good to this car from the day I drove it off the showroom floor, and have not beaten it up over the years I've owned it. The pulley was the only modification to the engine. I am aghast at what has taken place.
Has this happened to .anyone else?
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On 3/18/02 with approximately 4,000 miles, a K23 Kleeman boost kit was installed on my C Coupe. Today, 10/7/06 with 61,000 miles, my supercharger, according to a local Mercedes dealer, "blew up." They say it will cost approximately $2,000 to replace the supercharger. But wait... There's more Only after replacing the supercharger can they determine if any OTHER damage has been done to other parts of the engine, including the exhaust system. What to do.
I have been good to this car from the day I drove it off the showroom floor, and have not beaten it up over the years I've owned it. The pulley was the only modification to the engine. I am aghast at what has taken place.
Has this happened to anyone else?
Only after replacing the supercharger can they determine if any OTHER damage has been done to other parts of the engine, including the exhaust system. What to do.I have been good to this car from the day I drove it off the showroom floor, and have not beaten it up over the years I've owned it. The pulley was the only modification to the engine. I am aghast at what has taken place.
Has this happened to anyone else?
Sometimes even dealer makes mistakes, unfortunatly.
10-15-2006, 03:20 AM
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On 3/18/02 with approximately 4,000 miles, a K23 Kleeman boost kit was installed on my C Coupe. Today, 10/7/06 with 61,000 miles, my supercharger, according to a local Mercedes dealer, "blew up." They say it will cost approximately $2,000 to replace the supercharger. But wait... There's more Only after replacing the supercharger can they determine if any OTHER damage has been done to other parts of the engine, including the exhaust system. What to do.
I have been good to this car from the day I drove it off the showroom floor, and have not beaten it up over the years I've owned it. The pulley was the only modification to the engine. I am aghast at what has taken place.
Has this happened to anyone else?
Only after replacing the supercharger can they determine if any OTHER damage has been done to other parts of the engine, including the exhaust system. What to do.I have been good to this car from the day I drove it off the showroom floor, and have not beaten it up over the years I've owned it. The pulley was the only modification to the engine. I am aghast at what has taken place.
Has this happened to anyone else?
10-15-2006, 04:52 AM
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On 3/18/02 with approximately 4,000 miles, a K23 Kleeman boost kit was installed on my C Coupe. Today, 10/7/06 with 61,000 miles, my supercharger, according to a local Mercedes dealer, "blew up." They say it will cost approximately $2,000 to replace the supercharger.
Has this happened to anyone else?
Has this happened to anyone else?
If the housing isnt smashed then Eaton will sell you a rebuild kit. No need to replace it.
10-15-2006, 01:00 PM
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I have 68,000 miles and my service B is due. I asked the dealer about the super charger oil, and they told me they don't show it ever having to be changed. I don't know if this means they never check it either but I was going to check with Eaton and see what they say about it. I had a B&M super charger that was similar in design on a Camero and you did change the oil on it. So we will see.
10-17-2006, 03:09 AM
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That would be awesome.
How long does it take to do the rebuild?
Any machining involved?
A DIY afternoon job would be great preventative maint.
Here's something... 60 bucks!
what else is needed?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Super...ayphotohosting
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10-17-2006, 03:51 AM
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This is good reading about the pros of a supercharger over a turbo.
The biggest advantage of having a supercharger is the increased horsepower. Attach a supercharger to an otherwise normal car or truck, and it will behave like a vehicle with a larger, more powerful engine.
But what if someone is trying to decide between a supercharger and a turbocharger? This question is hotly debated by auto engineers and car enthusiasts, but in general, superchargers offer a few advantages over turbochargers.
Superchargers do not suffer lag -- a term used to describe how much time passes between the driver depressing the gas pedal and the engine's response. Turbochargers suffer from lag because it takes a few moments before the exhaust gases reach a velocity that is sufficient to drive the impeller/turbine. Superchargers have no lag time because they are driven directly by the crankshaft. Certain superchargers are more efficient at lower RPM, while others are more efficient at higher RPM. Roots and twin-screw superchargers, for example, provide more power at lower RPM. Centrifugal superchargers, which become more efficient as the impeller spins faster, provide more power at higher RPM.
Installing a turbocharger requires extensive modification of the exhaust system, but superchargers can be bolted to the top or side of the engine. That makes them cheaper to install and easier to service and maintain.
Finally, no special shutdown procedure is required with superchargers. Because they are not lubricated by engine oil, they can be shut down normally. Turbochargers must idle for about 30 seconds or so prior to shutdown so the lubricating oil has a chance to cool down. With that said, a good warm-up is important for superchargers, as they work most efficiently at normal operating temperatures.
The biggest advantage of having a supercharger is the increased horsepower. Attach a supercharger to an otherwise normal car or truck, and it will behave like a vehicle with a larger, more powerful engine.
But what if someone is trying to decide between a supercharger and a turbocharger? This question is hotly debated by auto engineers and car enthusiasts, but in general, superchargers offer a few advantages over turbochargers.
Superchargers do not suffer lag -- a term used to describe how much time passes between the driver depressing the gas pedal and the engine's response. Turbochargers suffer from lag because it takes a few moments before the exhaust gases reach a velocity that is sufficient to drive the impeller/turbine. Superchargers have no lag time because they are driven directly by the crankshaft. Certain superchargers are more efficient at lower RPM, while others are more efficient at higher RPM. Roots and twin-screw superchargers, for example, provide more power at lower RPM. Centrifugal superchargers, which become more efficient as the impeller spins faster, provide more power at higher RPM.
Installing a turbocharger requires extensive modification of the exhaust system, but superchargers can be bolted to the top or side of the engine. That makes them cheaper to install and easier to service and maintain.
Finally, no special shutdown procedure is required with superchargers. Because they are not lubricated by engine oil, they can be shut down normally. Turbochargers must idle for about 30 seconds or so prior to shutdown so the lubricating oil has a chance to cool down. With that said, a good warm-up is important for superchargers, as they work most efficiently at normal operating temperatures.
10-19-2006, 11:31 PM
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going back to the pulley i wonder if it makes a difference in mechanics between the m111 and m271. im just scared what's going to eventually happen to my supercharger.
10-20-2006, 12:35 AM
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Lesson Learned: don't keep a Mercedes past its expiration date! (warranty)
10-20-2006, 12:45 AM
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So no one with kleemann mods is going to answer that ?
I got a K BOX .. not a pulley.. should I worry less ?
10-20-2006, 12:47 AM
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Ha Haa! Very funny. A turbo would not be such a bad ideea if someone would actually have the guts to do it. It would be expensive but you could get some nice numbers out of it.
There was a guy that did that in the past. I think the clutch did not take it to well tho.
Very funny. A turbo would not be such a bad ideea if someone would actually have the guts to do it. It would be expensive but you could get some nice numbers out of it.There was a guy that did that in the past. I think the clutch did not take it to well tho.
10-20-2006, 02:28 AM
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Well I guess you could replace the clutch... with another stock one that will fale again. There are no upgrades for the clutch. At list that is what I remember after all my searches on that subject. There was someone who turboed a 2.3l and obtained like 260-270 hp but then he gave up on it. I think it was the clutch that did not handle that power.
But, than again, who knows? I might be wrong.
But, than again, who knows? I might be wrong.
10-20-2006, 10:25 AM
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Well I guess you could replace the clutch... with another stock one that will fale again. There are no upgrades for the clutch. At list that is what I remember after all my searches on that subject. There was someone who turboed a 2.3l and obtained like 260-270 hp but then he gave up on it. I think it was the clutch that did not handle that power.
But, than again, who knows? I might be wrong.
But, than again, who knows? I might be wrong.
10-23-2006, 12:32 AM
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maybe when u got ur boost kit, ur supercharger wasnt broken in yet,,
like 4000K isnt alot enough for u to break in a new car..
around 5000kor 6000K is guarentteed to fully break in ur new car..
thats probably why ur charger blew,,
did u pump ur car right after you get ur boost kit ..at 4000.
btw .. was the kleenman kit good. just wondering if ur willling to sell .. =]
like 4000K isnt alot enough for u to break in a new car..
around 5000kor 6000K is guarentteed to fully break in ur new car..
thats probably why ur charger blew,,
did u pump ur car right after you get ur boost kit ..at 4000.
btw .. was the kleenman kit good. just wondering if ur willling to sell .. =]
10-23-2006, 01:27 PM
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I seriously doubt that any pulley on the M271 motor will net you 10hp, not peak power. What will happen is it will feel faster as boost will build up sooner but then peak early so you may get the 10hp in the midle range but not at peak. Keep in mind, the problem with S/C going bad only happened with Kleemann pulleys, not Renntech, Brabus, Vaeth, or others.
BTW, if you did get a used one, it might was well be ported/polish so it will be like new inside.
BTW, if you did get a used one, it might was well be ported/polish so it will be like new inside.
Her car had only 40,000 Miles on it before it was Totalled .....
One with the Kleemann Ring on the stock Harmonic Balancer
And the Rest on the KLEEMANN replacement crank pulley...
We were able to take apart the blowers and TRY to determine the cause
Several were from Overheating...Spun a Bearing race..it was BLUE Overheated...The Lifetime blower oil is as good as the LIFETIME Autotrans fluid!It needs to be a service item...
One packed up and threw the belt....
I Think that Her car was a TEST Mule for Kleemann
from it popping off the intercooler connections to LEAN Runniing conditions as the dynos were the proof...To add software
It was NOT a sorted product
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10-24-2006, 04:50 AM
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Hey Mark,
Still around? Thought you'd disappeared.
Still have the purty red coupe?
I used to have a picture of it on my wall,
before I had the C32 brakes trying to decide if
I should get them....I did.
I'd love to find a C320 coupe in red like with 6 spd. and leather...
so hot.
Still around? Thought you'd disappeared.
Still have the purty red coupe?
I used to have a picture of it on my wall,
before I had the C32 brakes trying to decide if
I should get them....I did.
I'd love to find a C320 coupe in red like with 6 spd. and leather...
so hot.
10-24-2006, 11:51 AM
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Hey Mark,
Still around? Thought you'd disappeared.
Still have the purty red coupe?
I used to have a picture of it on my wall,
before I had the C32 brakes trying to decide if
I should get them....I did.
I'd love to find a C320 coupe in red like with 6 spd. and leather...
so hot.
Still around? Thought you'd disappeared.
Still have the purty red coupe?
I used to have a picture of it on my wall,
before I had the C32 brakes trying to decide if
I should get them....I did.
I'd love to find a C320 coupe in red like with 6 spd. and leather...
so hot.
Bought the Wife a W211 and Modding continues
10-24-2006, 01:09 PM
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Actually it was FIVE Superchargers in the Wifes 2002 Coupe ......
Her car had only 40,000 Miles on it before it was Totalled .....
One with the Kleemann Ring on the stock Harmonic Balancer
And the Rest on the KLEEMANN replacement crank pulley...
We were able to take apart the blowers and TRY to determine the cause
Several were from Overheating...Spun a Bearing race..it was BLUE Overheated...The Lifetime blower oil is as good as the LIFETIME Autotrans fluid!It needs to be a service item...
One packed up and threw the belt....
I Think that Her car was a TEST Mule for Kleemann
from it popping off the intercooler connections to LEAN Runniing conditions as the dynos were the proof...To add software
It was NOT a sorted product
Her car had only 40,000 Miles on it before it was Totalled .....
One with the Kleemann Ring on the stock Harmonic Balancer
And the Rest on the KLEEMANN replacement crank pulley...
We were able to take apart the blowers and TRY to determine the cause
Several were from Overheating...Spun a Bearing race..it was BLUE Overheated...The Lifetime blower oil is as good as the LIFETIME Autotrans fluid!It needs to be a service item...
One packed up and threw the belt....
I Think that Her car was a TEST Mule for Kleemann
from it popping off the intercooler connections to LEAN Runniing conditions as the dynos were the proof...To add software
It was NOT a sorted product
If you had pics of your car post crash, I would like to see them. Makes me feel quite safe having my daughter in my car.
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06-13-2007, 10:53 AM
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Supercharger apparently shot
Started noticing a strange noise when accelerating. Certainly sounded like something with the exhaust. Best I can describe it is a "dirty" exhaust. Like a rice burner gone bad. I've had it in at least 5 different shops. 3 of them claimed they "couldn't relate to the problem", one stated there were a couple of loose bolts in the exhaust and the third said the catalytic converter needed to be replaced. After all of that, the problem still persisted. Took it into the MB shop here in Winston-Salem and was told the supercharger was shot. This has been an ongoing problem for the last 40,000 miles (currently have 91,000). Guess I was glad to read that others have had similar issues.
Anyone in the CLT area who wants to try and help me swap out a supercharger?
Anyone in the CLT area who wants to try and help me swap out a supercharger?
06-13-2007, 11:08 AM
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Actually, the guy who posted right above you will probably help you out with any uninstall/install instructions you might need - he's one of possibly 3 people who've DIY'd an installed, ported, and polished supercharger.
Good luck :\.
Good luck :\.
06-13-2007, 01:47 PM
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Hardest part of replacing the SC is likely reinstalling the belts, and
getting your hands into some tight spots.
It's literally a bolt on operation.
Search on the instructions for changing to the ASP pulley, that'll get you to the point of getting the air box and belts off. Then uninstall the big black plastic thing on the passenger side of the engine, and just undo the bolts for the SC. You'll end up pulling the cover off the SC, to get the bolts on the bottom.
It's not hard, just a PIA, and takes a couple hours in each direction,
depending on how many beers you drink along the way.
It's a Merecedes, but it's still held together with nuts and bolts.
Also, check your exhaust connections. I'd guess you got an exhaust leak before I'd blame the SC. Check the bolts right where the manifold meets the exhaust. Pull the heat shield and check to see if the manifold nuts are tight. Mine all rattled themselves loose.
How did they determine the SC was bad?
getting your hands into some tight spots.
It's literally a bolt on operation.
Search on the instructions for changing to the ASP pulley, that'll get you to the point of getting the air box and belts off. Then uninstall the big black plastic thing on the passenger side of the engine, and just undo the bolts for the SC. You'll end up pulling the cover off the SC, to get the bolts on the bottom.
It's not hard, just a PIA, and takes a couple hours in each direction,
depending on how many beers you drink along the way.
It's a Merecedes, but it's still held together with nuts and bolts.
Also, check your exhaust connections. I'd guess you got an exhaust leak before I'd blame the SC. Check the bolts right where the manifold meets the exhaust. Pull the heat shield and check to see if the manifold nuts are tight. Mine all rattled themselves loose.
How did they determine the SC was bad?
Started noticing a strange noise when accelerating. Certainly sounded like something with the exhaust. Best I can describe it is a "dirty" exhaust. Like a rice burner gone bad. I've had it in at least 5 different shops. 3 of them claimed they "couldn't relate to the problem", one stated there were a couple of loose bolts in the exhaust and the third said the catalytic converter needed to be replaced. After all of that, the problem still persisted. Took it into the MB shop here in Winston-Salem and was told the supercharger was shot. This has been an ongoing problem for the last 40,000 miles (currently have 91,000). Guess I was glad to read that others have had similar issues.
Anyone in the CLT area who wants to try and help me swap out a supercharger?
Anyone in the CLT area who wants to try and help me swap out a supercharger?
06-13-2007, 02:10 PM
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Started noticing a strange noise when accelerating. Certainly sounded like something with the exhaust. Best I can describe it is a "dirty" exhaust. Like a rice burner gone bad. I've had it in at least 5 different shops. 3 of them claimed they "couldn't relate to the problem", one stated there were a couple of loose bolts in the exhaust and the third said the catalytic converter needed to be replaced. After all of that, the problem still persisted. Took it into the MB shop here in Winston-Salem and was told the supercharger was shot. This has been an ongoing problem for the last 40,000 miles (currently have 91,000). Guess I was glad to read that others have had similar issues.
Anyone in the CLT area who wants to try and help me swap out a supercharger?
Anyone in the CLT area who wants to try and help me swap out a supercharger?
Try having someone localize the noise by giving the engine some revs then you listen for the sound using a paper towel tub placed to your ear.
We can help you out here. Now, if you want to put out a plane ticket from LA and back, I'd help out.
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08-09-2007, 03:33 PM
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"Dirty" exhaust? I'm getting sounds like marbles rolling around inside the exhaust, seem to be coming from under the car, but could this in fact be the SC? The car chokes when it gets to about 4-5K rpm under load, and kicks
out misfire codes, killing the fuel supply to the offending cylinder.
(which is how it's supposed to work).
I'm certain it's not the coil packs.
I'm at 112K miles, so anything is possible, SC hasn't been replaced, nor has the cat, and I'm having trouble finding a aftermarket cat for the
2002 M111. Can someone provide an exact make and model?
C'mon guys I really need your help.
out misfire codes, killing the fuel supply to the offending cylinder.
(which is how it's supposed to work).
I'm certain it's not the coil packs.
I'm at 112K miles, so anything is possible, SC hasn't been replaced, nor has the cat, and I'm having trouble finding a aftermarket cat for the
2002 M111. Can someone provide an exact make and model?
C'mon guys I really need your help.
