Iceman's C230

My 2003 C230 had a pulley,chip and exhaust upgrade. Made over 200HP at the wheels. Stock it pulled 167hp at the wheels. So i wouldn't say the C230 is slow, with the right upgrades they can be quick. I had no problems with the chipped A4's

Cheers,

yeuchau

so, you saying that C280 is faster than C320??
I thought they are pretty much even, but I might be wrong.
And I know C320 and A4 3.0 has similar performance, but I think C320 is a bit quicker.
I drove car before, I just feel C320 is a little more powerful
but never see the real data to make sure on that

GDawgC220

The c280 may be quicker than the c320. It has the same torque, 221ft-lbs but the 280 has 228hp. The c320 has 215hp. Torque comes on earlier in the 280 vs the 320. Weight difference is only 10lbs between the two.

The 3.0 has 220hp/221tq, 100lbs heavier than the c320.

Performance numbers for both the C and A4 are 7 seconds.

Did you drive the RWD version? AWD will be a little slower off the line vs RWD unless its wet of course

FrankW

the 320 and the 280 should run pretty identical due to gear ratio. the 350 will own.

and as everyone says the 1.8t with chip and exhaust should win with ease.

yeuchau

I just check MB site, and both C320 and C280 accerlate the same from 0-60 in 6.9 seconds.
I drove both A4 FWD and AWD before, I wish that they had RWD.
too bad.

Schroder

I'm with everyone else on this one...the 1.8t will easily take you. Heck, I would put money on a stock 1.8t versus your slightly modded C230. I recently owned a stock 1.8t GTI and it felt a lot quicker than the C230 (I recently test drove a 07 C230). I currently have a '03 1.8t GTI 20th Ann. Edition with mods (chip, exhaust, etc...) and it wouldn't even be close, the 1.8t would kill it. I was really disappointed performance wise with the C230. I really expected more. In fact, I've always heard the C230 4 cylinder Kompresser is quicker than the V6.

Don't get me wrong, the C230 is a sweet looking car. It's a great looking Sedan and I'm still in the market for one. I just wish it was a little quicker without any mods

1via

Chips are very subjective. All of these numbers people are throwing out are what they theoretically are rated at, at the crank. What the a4 might be putting to the ground is much less. Id much rather have some larger injectors, a EBC and a programable daughterboard than some overhyped chip anyday.

A4s arent all that fast; ive blow away 1.8t A4s and jettas in my NA s13 240sx. Of course, I can rev match into third, the people trying to race me in the 1.8ts' dont usually expect people to do that...

If youre racing from a dig, the a4 will destroy you. On the freeway it might be a bit of a closer race.

KleanC

I guess i never knew how slow the c230 is. Its funny because my friend has a 03 c230 kompressor and he said the same thing to me...basically taht his car is much faster than mine. Whats funny is my friend with the a4 is dying to get rid of it because it is so slow.


I will def give it a run with him and get back to you guys with the results. I didnt relive belive his car was faster till i posted this thread. Anyways, i dont wana make him feel ****y when i race him...ill act liek i havent broken the car in yet...looooll jk jk

GDawgC220

Right, all the numbers from chip manufacturers are at the crank. Stock 1.8T at the wheels is about 115hp, crank is 170hp. With a chip however, from dynos that people have done, it puts about 135-140whp, crank is a little over 200hp. With injectors and updated software, it goes up to about 155-160whp, while crank is about 240hp. Move on up to the larger K04 turbo, injectors and software, you're putting out a litle more than 200whp.

FWD 1.8Ts are quicker than the Quattro 1.8Ts.

GDawgC220

Yeah. it'd be nice. However, quattro units now are 40/60 split vs the 50/50 split they've had going on for a long time. So now the cars have a bit more RWD characteristic with AWD performance. Audi's thing is the Quattro so you can see why they haven't gone RWD.

hss0p

Sorry but i call


Could drop a new engine in there for under your 15k range noooo problem.

1via

Just drop in a LS1 with a cam and some head mods. Cheap and easy.

lol

hss0p

Nah, just drop in the MB v12tt. (see slk55 amg forum)

KleanC

We hit it with out his chip on. . I pretty much took him...but it was a close match...

yeuchau

that's about right

King320

CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!!!

Cappa26

Agreed, you can drop a C32 or even a C55(non kompressor) if it fits, it should cost about $5000-$8000 and it'll require a 2 week labor period. With the amount left over you can get pulley, ecu, headers, intake, larger intercooler.

But then, if i had $15k to blow, I would sell my car, and my mods, take a few bucks out of my bank account, and buy a used E55 which would probably kill the C55/C32 engine swapped C class anyways... that and I would have alot more room in the car

RedlineTA

Hey thats my project lol No stealin it!! haha

raklert

how much hp does the C230 got?

ScottW911

What??? A C55 engine would require a CLK front clip, as it is 4 inches longer than the C front clip. That is what MB did with the C55 to accomedate the V8 length. What would you do about all the electronics, ECU and drivetrain issues. When you got done, you would have a very expensive bast@rd of a car. Why not just go out and buy a C32 for somewhere in the mid $20k or a c55 for the mid $40K area? Jeez, just buy the car you want and save yourself the time and money.

I can agree with the E55 suggestion though. Again, buy right and you won't have to screw with it.

FrankW

dropping a V8 into the W203 doesn't require a W209 front end. Brabus has done it...several times including the coupe. a member has done it dropping a C43 V8 into his C240. AMG slap on the W209 front end because the W203 was in need of a facelift. Who would want to buy a C55 that's more expensive yet look the same as the car it replaced? no one. All that talk about needing more room is just BS, however it does help with crash test rating to the press.

when people do this they usually by a new ECU and the engine/tranny usually come together as they're from some crashed cars.

buzz888

i own an a4 1.8t quattro and i always thought they were very slow compared to anything
its a suprising if a chipped 4 -cylinder beats a v-6

Cappa26

anthuny85

how is it surprising for a chipped 4 cyl to beat a v6 lol, ever hear of sti/evo's?, turbo a 4 cyl its gonna beat a n/a v6, depending on the v6 output. my cousins type r with a header/cai, and ecu revving at 10k used to smoke gt mustangs...its very possible...a4's have potential, i looked into them, it wont be a beast but it could very well prolly beat a 230 v6, were torqueless...

buzz888

how far are we talking: 0-120? The a4 (stock) would obviously lose to the c230 (stock) b/c of quattro vs. rear wheel drive. Shouldve bought the 3.0