Remus & Eisenmann Comparo
01-04-2007, 09:32 PM
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Remus & Eisenmann Comparo
I'm new to this forum. I would like to know if anyone out there has info on a comparison between a Remus cat-back system and a Eisenman exhaust. I am about to buy a Remus cat back (muffler plus resonator) for my 05 C230K, but all the talking in the forum about the Eisenmann has make me curious. As far as looks, they are about the same. How about performance and sound????
01-04-2007, 10:08 PM
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you would have to go on to youtube.com
and there you'll find many clips of W203s with eisenmann race or remus catback.
the controversies continue!
btw, i have my remus catback and i love it! but i also have a eisenmann pipe lol
and there you'll find many clips of W203s with eisenmann race or remus catback.
the controversies continue!
btw, i have my remus catback and i love it! but i also have a eisenmann pipe lol
01-04-2007, 11:22 PM
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i cant wait for the meet so i can hear the diff types of exhaust in person
i dk much bout exhaust i'm still thinkin bout remus but i dont have the dough right now... lol all i know is that the eisenmann is loud
i dk much bout exhaust i'm still thinkin bout remus but i dont have the dough right now... lol all i know is that the eisenmann is loud
01-05-2007, 12:38 AM
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01-05-2007, 09:52 AM
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Guys, don't forget about the engines sizes and other details. Komprican's 05'230K is already loud as it is, but 320's 6-banger with Eisenmann will kick 230's a$$ in any prospective
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this sounds niiceeeee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B33Ci-lhn88
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Hey guys thanks a lot for all the info. Sorry about the late reply but I don't usually stay on the comp for too long. I think I'm gonna go with the Remus cat back (sport) for a few reasons: I want a nice deep sound but not something that drives me nuts on a long drive (I had an american V8 with flowmasters prior to the MB), plus the price for the full system (cat-back) is doable for me in comparison with the Eisenmann (over 1K @ Eisenhaus for just he muffler). I listened to the "youtube.com" stuff. It is awesome. By the way, "StillKickin", I'm also a weekend warrior (Army, CW2), and I don't think I can meet with you guys, I'm in sunny FL.
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on a website i went to is said the eisenmann exhaust (race) for the w203 was for only the c240 and c320 didnt mention anything about the c230ss...why is this? wont the exhaust work on all w203 sedans? (03-06)
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on a website i went to is said the eisenmann exhaust (race) for the w203 was for only the c240 and c320 didnt mention anything about the c230ss...why is this? wont the exhaust work on all w203 sedans? (03-06)
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just make sure sedan exhaust are for sedan, and coupe exhaust are for coupe. they are different.
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i mean, some thing that W203 chassis exhaust should be the same, its diff.
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i mean, some thing that W203 chassis exhaust should be the same, its diff.
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The thing is, it all depends on what kind of cat-back you are putting on the car. I haven't seen anybody really give accurate measurements of what the Sport Sedans piping is like from the cat back. The speculated piping for the Sport Sedans has been guesstimated between 2.5-2.75, which is actually very large for OEM exhaust piping.
It also hasn't been concluded if there is a difference in the piping comparing luxury vs. sport. That would be something to consider also.
That being said, if you just replace the muffler, you have to figure that the only thing that is changing is the back portion of the piping and the sound deadening material from the replacement muffler. Depending on the muffler design, some are pretty straight through with smaller sound deadening material, others have more. Again, this depends on the muffler. I've never looked through a Remus muffler, but there is most likely more sound deadening material/packing in the Remus compared to an Eisenmann race (hence the "louder" sound). Now, if that's the case, the piping under the car is still the same (and has the same air-flow) going from the cat-back, so the only sound change would be coming from the back of the car (and shouldn't really increase cabin noise too much).
If you replace the exhaust system from the catalytic converter back, it could increase airflow if you increase the piping size, which would in turn increase cabin noise (potentially), due to bigger piping running underneath the cabin. With NA V6 models, this may potentially increase power as well. On the Forced induction i4's, that may not necessarily be the case, as it has been debated back and forth on whether or not the "slight back pressure" is necessary for the supercharged i4's (i.e. m111 / m271 supercharged engines). Now, if you're going with a full cat-back system, that most likely means that you are also replacing the resonator (due to the new piping). Obviously, the piping has been proven to be slightly different between the v6 models and the supercharged i4's, but the concept of the final resonator is still the same. That is also going to increase the decibel level (which is largely used for the measurement for sound - but also used for electronics/signals and communication). Now, if the cat-back system has the same piping size as OEM, I'd say it would've been better off to just have the resonator taken out and replaced with a straight pipe that is the same diameter as the stock piping (because the cat-back system would be irrelevant at that point).
Hope that isn't too confusing.
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In essence, yes.
The thing is, it all depends on what kind of cat-back you are putting on the car. I haven't seen anybody really give accurate measurements of what the Sport Sedans piping is like from the cat back. The speculated piping for the Sport Sedans has been guesstimated between 2.5-2.75, which is actually very large for OEM exhaust piping.
It also hasn't been concluded if there is a difference in the piping comparing luxury vs. sport. That would be something to consider also.
That being said, if you just replace the muffler, you have to figure that the only thing that is changing is the back portion of the piping and the sound deadening material from the replacement muffler. Depending on the muffler design, some are pretty straight through with smaller sound deadening material, others have more. Again, this depends on the muffler. I've never looked through a Remus muffler, but there is most likely more sound deadening material/packing in the Remus compared to an Eisenmann race (hence the "louder" sound). Now, if that's the case, the piping under the car is still the same (and has the same air-flow) going from the cat-back, so the only sound change would be coming from the back of the car (and shouldn't really increase cabin noise too much).
If you replace the exhaust system from the catalytic converter back, it could increase airflow if you increase the piping size, which would in turn increase cabin noise (potentially), due to bigger piping running underneath the cabin. With NA V6 models, this may potentially increase power as well. On the Forced induction i4's, that may not necessarily be the case, as it has been debated back and forth on whether or not the "slight back pressure" is necessary for the supercharged i4's (i.e. m111 / m271 supercharged engines). Now, if you're going with a full cat-back system, that most likely means that you are also replacing the resonator (due to the new piping). Obviously, the piping has been proven to be slightly different between the v6 models and the supercharged i4's, but the concept of the final resonator is still the same. That is also going to increase the decibel level (which is largely used for the measurement for sound - but also used for electronics/signals and communication). Now, if the cat-back system has the same piping size as OEM, I'd say it would've been better off to just have the resonator taken out and replaced with a straight pipe that is the same diameter as the stock piping (because the cat-back system would be irrelevant at that point).
Hope that isn't too confusing.
The thing is, it all depends on what kind of cat-back you are putting on the car. I haven't seen anybody really give accurate measurements of what the Sport Sedans piping is like from the cat back. The speculated piping for the Sport Sedans has been guesstimated between 2.5-2.75, which is actually very large for OEM exhaust piping.
It also hasn't been concluded if there is a difference in the piping comparing luxury vs. sport. That would be something to consider also.
That being said, if you just replace the muffler, you have to figure that the only thing that is changing is the back portion of the piping and the sound deadening material from the replacement muffler. Depending on the muffler design, some are pretty straight through with smaller sound deadening material, others have more. Again, this depends on the muffler. I've never looked through a Remus muffler, but there is most likely more sound deadening material/packing in the Remus compared to an Eisenmann race (hence the "louder" sound). Now, if that's the case, the piping under the car is still the same (and has the same air-flow) going from the cat-back, so the only sound change would be coming from the back of the car (and shouldn't really increase cabin noise too much).
If you replace the exhaust system from the catalytic converter back, it could increase airflow if you increase the piping size, which would in turn increase cabin noise (potentially), due to bigger piping running underneath the cabin. With NA V6 models, this may potentially increase power as well. On the Forced induction i4's, that may not necessarily be the case, as it has been debated back and forth on whether or not the "slight back pressure" is necessary for the supercharged i4's (i.e. m111 / m271 supercharged engines). Now, if you're going with a full cat-back system, that most likely means that you are also replacing the resonator (due to the new piping). Obviously, the piping has been proven to be slightly different between the v6 models and the supercharged i4's, but the concept of the final resonator is still the same. That is also going to increase the decibel level (which is largely used for the measurement for sound - but also used for electronics/signals and communication). Now, if the cat-back system has the same piping size as OEM, I'd say it would've been better off to just have the resonator taken out and replaced with a straight pipe that is the same diameter as the stock piping (because the cat-back system would be irrelevant at that point).
Hope that isn't too confusing.
