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once and for all how can i get a hold of the 3 button keys...i tried calling dealers and mb usa they said its not available for our cars.
so i dont want to buy a key and end up with the two button...
some one said there as a TSb for this can anyone post a copy so we can show to the dealer so we can get another set thru warranty?
thanks
so i dont want to buy a key and end up with the two button...
some one said there as a TSb for this can anyone post a copy so we can show to the dealer so we can get another set thru warranty?
thanks
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2001 C240 6spd
This may be a little off topic, but the dealer the other day gave me updated keys for my C240. They are the three button key - I have not had any problems with my original keys, but they said that they wanted to update the keys. I dont have nay clue why? It took about 2 hours to re-program each key for the car.
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Re: keys
Originally posted by c230_2k2
once and for all how can i get a hold of the 3 button keys...i tried calling dealers and mb usa they said its not available for our cars.
so i dont want to buy a key and end up with the two button...
once and for all how can i get a hold of the 3 button keys...i tried calling dealers and mb usa they said its not available for our cars.
so i dont want to buy a key and end up with the two button...
Lets have a little perspective here.
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Re: Re: keys
Originally posted by viper
I cannot believe you and others are so worked up over a 3 button key. Is this the most important aspect of your car ? What are you going to do when they bring out a 4 or 5 button key ?
Lets have a little perspective here.
I cannot believe you and others are so worked up over a 3 button key. Is this the most important aspect of your car ? What are you going to do when they bring out a 4 or 5 button key ?
Lets have a little perspective here.
You could post the same rant on any of the questions here (are crank pulleys, stereos, springs... the most important aspect of your car?). Some members want to be able to open the hatch remotely. You may not think that's important, but why flame a guy for wanting to utilize a feature of the car that was deleted? Lets keep an open mind here....
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Re: Re: keys
Originally posted by viper
I cannot believe you and others are so worked up over a 3 button key. Is this the most important aspect of your car ? What are you going to do when they bring out a 4 or 5 button key ?
Lets have a little perspective here.
I cannot believe you and others are so worked up over a 3 button key. Is this the most important aspect of your car ? What are you going to do when they bring out a 4 or 5 button key ?
Lets have a little perspective here.
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our dealer got us a 3 button key for our C230k... it took them a lil while to get it all working, but it works!!.. the trunk pops just fine.. but it only really unlocks it... on my I30t, the trunk actually POPS.. (watch out squirels 
) hehe.. i use the trunk pop a lot, but if i didn't have it, it would be no big loss.. =p
) hehe.. i use the trunk pop a lot, but if i didn't have it, it would be no big loss.. =p
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Originally posted by p010sp0rt8
.. but it only really unlocks it...
.. but it only really unlocks it...
that is, you could just use the regular unlock button to do the same thing.
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Originally posted by young
well, what's the point if it doesn't pop open the trunk? that seems odd.
that is, you could just use the regular unlock button to do the same thing.
well, what's the point if it doesn't pop open the trunk? that seems odd.
that is, you could just use the regular unlock button to do the same thing.
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Re: Re: Re: keys
Originally posted by avlis
So this forum isn't the place to ask questions?
You could post the same rant on any of the questions here (are crank pulleys, stereos, springs... the most important aspect of your car?). Some members want to be able to open the hatch remotely. You may not think that's important, but why flame a guy for wanting to utilize a feature of the car that was deleted? Lets keep an open mind here....
So this forum isn't the place to ask questions?
You could post the same rant on any of the questions here (are crank pulleys, stereos, springs... the most important aspect of your car?). Some members want to be able to open the hatch remotely. You may not think that's important, but why flame a guy for wanting to utilize a feature of the car that was deleted? Lets keep an open mind here....
I just don't think it is ethical to expect MB to take back keys or have some forum members destroy their keys in the hopes they will get the extra button. Guess who pays for this ? We all do in the form of higher prices. Have you heard the phrase "Specifications subject to change without notice." I believe you will find this on every MB brochure. Sure if you want to get the extra button go ahead but I think it only right that you pay for it and not try to stiff MB into it. And no I don't work for them.
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Avlis, its a real stretch of your imagination to say the feature was deleted.
I just don't think it is ethical to expect MB to take back keys or have some forum members destroy their keys in the hopes they will get the extra button.
I don't have the energy to debate the ethics of trying to get a free key under warrenty. The point is moot anyway because this guy just wants the part number so he can go out and buy one.
Guess who pays for this ?
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p010sp0rt8, I too live in the Bay Area and would greatly appreciate the 3-button key. Can you tell me which dealer was able to get it for you? I have asked at a couple dealerships, but they didn't know anything about it. Also, did you pay for it? Thanks!
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Originally posted by avlis
You're right. I should have said: ....take advantage of a hidden feature that MB decided to not make apparent.
Please re-read the original post you flammed. He clearly states: "so i dont want to BUY (emphasis on BUY) a key and end up with the two button... ". You still flame a guy that wants to give MB $200 for a $10 key?
I don't have the energy to debate the ethics of trying to get a free key under warrenty. The point is moot anyway because this guy just wants the part number so he can go out and buy one.
It's already paid for. So are oil changes in the US. It's all rolled up into the MSRP. Companies that give away free parts or products don't stay in business. So then when a company raises prices to cover warrenty repairs it loses market share. The solution: minimize the amount of warrenty repairs in the first place. In other words: suppy the 3 button key from the start or else you'll end up throwing a bunch of 2 button keys in the dumpster.
You're right. I should have said: ....take advantage of a hidden feature that MB decided to not make apparent.
Please re-read the original post you flammed. He clearly states: "so i dont want to BUY (emphasis on BUY) a key and end up with the two button... ". You still flame a guy that wants to give MB $200 for a $10 key?
I don't have the energy to debate the ethics of trying to get a free key under warrenty. The point is moot anyway because this guy just wants the part number so he can go out and buy one.
It's already paid for. So are oil changes in the US. It's all rolled up into the MSRP. Companies that give away free parts or products don't stay in business. So then when a company raises prices to cover warrenty repairs it loses market share. The solution: minimize the amount of warrenty repairs in the first place. In other words: suppy the 3 button key from the start or else you'll end up throwing a bunch of 2 button keys in the dumpster.
Your diatribe about supplying the 3 button key from the start makes me laugh. You say they should minimize warranty repairs in the first place. But again re-read the original post. This is not a warranty claim. Your fractured logic would have us all demanding CD changers simply because the wiring is in the glove box. While that would be nice it will never happen.
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Originally posted by TPL230
p010sp0rt8, I too live in the Bay Area and would greatly appreciate the 3-button key. Can you tell me which dealer was able to get it for you? I have asked at a couple dealerships, but they didn't know anything about it. Also, did you pay for it? Thanks!
p010sp0rt8, I too live in the Bay Area and would greatly appreciate the 3-button key. Can you tell me which dealer was able to get it for you? I have asked at a couple dealerships, but they didn't know anything about it. Also, did you pay for it? Thanks!
however.. we don't get merc loaners from this dealership.. just cheapy enterprize cars... but the people are reasonable and treat us well.. oh well. .that's my griping
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Originally posted by Boo2
I've never seen the two button key. Just to clarify, do coupe owners have a key with only lock and unlock?
I've never seen the two button key. Just to clarify, do coupe owners have a key with only lock and unlock?
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Thanks p010sp0rt8,
Is there a service advisor at Claridge you recommend speaking with? I just want to talk to someone who doesn't think I'm crazy -- like I said, I would be willing to pay.
We wanted to buy from RAB, but no deals, so we ended up at Smythe, which ended up being a suprisingly easy transaction. They have Mercedes loaners, but they're pretty far south for us to go down and use them.
Is there a service advisor at Claridge you recommend speaking with? I just want to talk to someone who doesn't think I'm crazy -- like I said, I would be willing to pay.
We wanted to buy from RAB, but no deals, so we ended up at Smythe, which ended up being a suprisingly easy transaction. They have Mercedes loaners, but they're pretty far south for us to go down and use them.
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Alvis, Viper...you're both misconstrued...
Dont turn this forum into an "I can pee into the wind and get less one me than you can" contest...
Let it be what it is. Let people ask rhetorical and often repetitious questions and let them sort out the answers. Learning is an experience, and your bickering makes it less enjoyable.
That said, I'd like a 3 button key to control my hatch...but I'm not about to microwave my existing keys to get it.
Dont turn this forum into an "I can pee into the wind and get less one me than you can" contest...
Let it be what it is. Let people ask rhetorical and often repetitious questions and let them sort out the answers. Learning is an experience, and your bickering makes it less enjoyable.
That said, I'd like a 3 button key to control my hatch...but I'm not about to microwave my existing keys to get it.
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Just the facts...
I too would like the hatch feature in my key. So, back to the basics:
Of the people who have three-button keys, do they all have the ability to 'pop' (NOT just unlock) the hatch?
What build date (or at least MY) is your car (does the three-button key pop the hatch only for MY2003, just cars past a certain build date, or any coupe?).
Can you look at the key and see the P/N etched in the side, and is it different than a two-button key (for those that actually changed keys).
I'm perfectly willing to pay for this (admittedly purely convenience) feature, but I know I will be met with a baffled expression from my dealer. I need to have as many facts as possible to make any progress on this.
Thanks to any and all to can help clarify!
jlm
Of the people who have three-button keys, do they all have the ability to 'pop' (NOT just unlock) the hatch?
What build date (or at least MY) is your car (does the three-button key pop the hatch only for MY2003, just cars past a certain build date, or any coupe?).
Can you look at the key and see the P/N etched in the side, and is it different than a two-button key (for those that actually changed keys).
I'm perfectly willing to pay for this (admittedly purely convenience) feature, but I know I will be met with a baffled expression from my dealer. I need to have as many facts as possible to make any progress on this.
Thanks to any and all to can help clarify!
jlm
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The thing that makes me curious is that if they have the ability to make this work on the C230, why aren't they marketing it as a $400 option? I mean if they can overcharge by $800 for a CD Changer, why not make it an option at least? I'm sure many people would gladly pay for it without knowing any better.
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There are a couple of other posts that have a lot of this information in them. I encourage the use of the search functionality of the forum, it really works.
For now though, I will reiterate. If your key has a transmit problem locking or unlocking doors you might fall under a technical service bulletin and your key will be replaced under warrantee. If not, it will cost $130. The TSB will replace your key so that it starts with number 221 (look at the fine print on the end of your key). I believe the part number (MA203 766 41 06 9999) is just the normal key part number. The 221 key also has the hatch button, which will pop the hatch about a half-inch. Not a lot, but its something.
In addition, there is some discussion about having only 8 (I think this number varies between 8-24) chances to replace your key sets before you have to put in a new ignition system for a high cost.
For now though, I will reiterate. If your key has a transmit problem locking or unlocking doors you might fall under a technical service bulletin and your key will be replaced under warrantee. If not, it will cost $130. The TSB will replace your key so that it starts with number 221 (look at the fine print on the end of your key). I believe the part number (MA203 766 41 06 9999) is just the normal key part number. The 221 key also has the hatch button, which will pop the hatch about a half-inch. Not a lot, but its something.
In addition, there is some discussion about having only 8 (I think this number varies between 8-24) chances to replace your key sets before you have to put in a new ignition system for a high cost.
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have 217
i currently have a set of 217 keys. had them since new about 3 months. can unlock/lock doors from 25ft away. must by 2-3 feet away to open windows aiming at the handles. Seems to work fine. If i get the 221 keys because of the TSB will it have the hatch button (at no charge)? is the TSB on the web to print out and bring to the dealer?
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have 217
i currently have a set of 217 keys. had them since new about 3 months. can unlock/lock doors from 25ft away. must by 2-3 feet away to open windows aiming at the handles. Seems to work fine. If i get the 221 keys because of the TSB will it have the hatch button (at no charge)? is the TSB on the web to print out and bring to the dealer?
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Originally posted by Rick
Alvis, Viper...you're both misconstrued...
That said, I'd like a 3 button key to control my hatch...but I'm not about to microwave my existing keys to get it.
Alvis, Viper...you're both misconstrued...
That said, I'd like a 3 button key to control my hatch...but I'm not about to microwave my existing keys to get it.
what temp and for how long?
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Originally posted by who_dog
There are a couple of other posts that have a lot of this information in them. I encourage the use of the search functionality of the forum, it really works.
For now though, I will reiterate. If your key has a transmit problem locking or unlocking doors you might fall under a technical service bulletin and your key will be replaced under warrantee. If not, it will cost $130. The TSB will replace your key so that it starts with number 221 (look at the fine print on the end of your key). I believe the part number (MA203 766 41 06 9999) is just the normal key part number. The 221 key also has the hatch button, which will pop the hatch about a half-inch. Not a lot, but its something.
In addition, there is some discussion about having only 8 (I think this number varies between 8-24) chances to replace your key sets before you have to put in a new ignition system for a high cost.
There are a couple of other posts that have a lot of this information in them. I encourage the use of the search functionality of the forum, it really works.
For now though, I will reiterate. If your key has a transmit problem locking or unlocking doors you might fall under a technical service bulletin and your key will be replaced under warrantee. If not, it will cost $130. The TSB will replace your key so that it starts with number 221 (look at the fine print on the end of your key). I believe the part number (MA203 766 41 06 9999) is just the normal key part number. The 221 key also has the hatch button, which will pop the hatch about a half-inch. Not a lot, but its something.
In addition, there is some discussion about having only 8 (I think this number varies between 8-24) chances to replace your key sets before you have to put in a new ignition system for a high cost.
