2.3 Compressor Power
10-03-2002, 09:21 AM
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Again, my C230 is in the shop for a few days, and I have a 2000 C230K loaner. The loaner ( with 25,000 miles ) has power to spare compared to my 2002 coupe...the loaner's acceleration and torque is amazing .
I'm beginning to wonder why my coupe , with the same engine, doesn't perform as well . Does power come with age or beauty ?
I'm beginning to wonder why my coupe , with the same engine, doesn't perform as well . Does power come with age or beauty ?
10-03-2002, 09:32 AM
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I've always heard that MB engines take longer than most to fully break-in and live up to their potential.
Don't know, but another possibility is that the gearing in the slushbox was better for the '00, so that MB geared the '02 more for gas mileage? Just a thought.
Don't know, but another possibility is that the gearing in the slushbox was better for the '00, so that MB geared the '02 more for gas mileage? Just a thought.
10-03-2002, 09:37 AM
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They gave me a 2000 230K loaner a while back. It had 80k and didn't feel any more powerful then my coupe with a stick. It rode and drove like it was new though (happily surprised). I test drove an auto coupe before I bought my car and I hated it. Way too unresponsive. I too think the 2000 230k felt better than the auto coupe.
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10-03-2002, 10:03 AM
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as far as respnsiveness, didn't the 2002 C230 have athrottle cable, and the new coupe have a DBW system?
10-03-2002, 10:12 AM
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sorry, DBW is drive by wire. On the coupe when you hit the gas there is no throttle cable there like in older cars. The gas pedal sends a signal to the ECU which inturn, gives the car fuel. On older cars you hit the gas, and that opens the throttle body.
For the most part DBW systems are slower to respond to pedal travel.
For the most part DBW systems are slower to respond to pedal travel.
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10-03-2002, 10:15 AM
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thanks, that explains it. When I step on the gas pedal in my coupe, I guess I'm really just sending a signal to the computer, and the computer decides how fast the car goes based on some conditions.
10-03-2002, 10:35 AM
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you got it.
Have you ever driven a chevy or a ford. Have you ever noticed that if you are cruising and depress the pedal 1/4 or 1/3 of the way it wont donwshift but the car will kinda "lung" or "jump" forward. The Benz wont do much of that UNLESS you are in a low gear at a high RPM. The Benz will just speed up it won't "jump", like a Camaro or a Mustang would. I belive on the W203 series cars they still had a throttle cable.
http://www.edmunds.com/news/innovati...3/article.html
That will explain more than I can.
Have you ever driven a chevy or a ford. Have you ever noticed that if you are cruising and depress the pedal 1/4 or 1/3 of the way it wont donwshift but the car will kinda "lung" or "jump" forward. The Benz wont do much of that UNLESS you are in a low gear at a high RPM. The Benz will just speed up it won't "jump", like a Camaro or a Mustang would. I belive on the W203 series cars they still had a throttle cable.
http://www.edmunds.com/news/innovati...3/article.html
That will explain more than I can.
10-04-2002, 08:28 AM
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How Do I know ?
So reviewing your posts, it seems like the acceleration and feel should be nearly the same for the 2000 C230K sedan and the "new" 2002 C230K coupe.
So when you buy a new coupe and it feels great, how do you know if your coupe is performing on average ( to other 2002 2.3 coupes) or if your coupe perhaps needs to be "tuned-up" ? I guess as long as a new car is running OK, you just accept it's performance as is.....or do you ?
So when you buy a new coupe and it feels great, how do you know if your coupe is performing on average ( to other 2002 2.3 coupes) or if your coupe perhaps needs to be "tuned-up" ? I guess as long as a new car is running OK, you just accept it's performance as is.....or do you ?
10-04-2002, 08:38 AM
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Re: Yeah, but
Originally posted by Mike T.
It's only got 185 HP, not 192. Hmmm...
It's only got 185 HP, not 192. Hmmm...
10-04-2002, 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by tommy
Wish I had said that in the first response to this post...
I want my props!
Wish I had said that in the first response to this post...
I want my props!
10-04-2002, 02:13 PM
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Re: Re: Yeah, but
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It's got to be the transmission gearing or the rear end gearing. I'd bet the 2000 has lower (numericaly higher) rear end gears.
It's got to be the transmission gearing or the rear end gearing. I'd bet the 2000 has lower (numericaly higher) rear end gears.
2000 C230K 3.27:1
2002 C230K 3.27:1
Gearbox ratios
2000 C230K 3.93/2.41/1.49/1.00/0.83:1
2002 C230K 3.95/2.42/1.49/1.00/0.83:1
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10-04-2002, 02:25 PM
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They're essentially the same, so gearing isn't the answer.
Must be that the older motor is more broken in - as the power to weight difference should favor the 2002 slightly.
2000 3250lbs+175lb driver/185hp = 18.51 lb/hp
2002 3340lbs+175lb driver/192hp = 18.30 lb/hp
Cheers, BT
Must be that the older motor is more broken in - as the power to weight difference should favor the 2002 slightly.
2000 3250lbs+175lb driver/185hp = 18.51 lb/hp
2002 3340lbs+175lb driver/192hp = 18.30 lb/hp
Cheers, BT
