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Congrats! Enjoy...
How much do those parts cost though? Thinking about it, to me it no longer makes sense to get a supercharger, I might as well upgrade to a C350 (268 HP) or possibly C55 (362 HP), considering the SC will cost thousands and in the end the C350/C32/C55 are already built for the performance, not to mention possibly have more power. My only issue is that I love my manual gearbox and it'd be fun driving a manual supercharged Mercedes, it'd be among the few in the world.
Hmmm... decisions to be made...
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How much do those parts cost though? Thinking about it, to me it no longer makes sense to get a supercharger, I might as well upgrade to a C350 (268 HP) or possibly C55 (362 HP), considering the SC will cost thousands and in the end the C350/C32/C55 are already built for the performance, not to mention possibly have more power. My only issue is that I love my manual gearbox and it'd be fun driving a manual supercharged Mercedes, it'd be among the few in the world.
Hmmm... decisions to be made...
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I agree it's not the least expensive, but you do realize it's almost half off it's normal price. As far as price gouging, I wouldn't say that; I'd pay $1100 for Kleemann headers anyday. I'm sure others would agree.
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Congrats! Enjoy...
How much do those parts cost though? Thinking about it, to me it no longer makes sense to get a supercharger, I might as well upgrade to a C350 (268 HP) or possibly C55 (362 HP), considering the SC will cost thousands and in the end the C350/C32/C55 are already built for the performance, not to mention possibly have more power. My only issue is that I love my manual gearbox and it'd be fun driving a manual supercharged Mercedes, it'd be among the few in the world.
Hmmm... decisions to be made...
Tee_Tz.
How much do those parts cost though? Thinking about it, to me it no longer makes sense to get a supercharger, I might as well upgrade to a C350 (268 HP) or possibly C55 (362 HP), considering the SC will cost thousands and in the end the C350/C32/C55 are already built for the performance, not to mention possibly have more power. My only issue is that I love my manual gearbox and it'd be fun driving a manual supercharged Mercedes, it'd be among the few in the world.
Hmmm... decisions to be made...
Tee_Tz.
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oh, man!!! dude 1100 for kleeman headers? damn...TOTALLY wouldve done it without hesitation...when people say "parts are no longer available" does that mean that they are no longer made for the older engines, or that they are just out of stock at Kleemann USA?
BTW, i agree that the properties of parts are probably not additive just because a jump from stock up 25 is way different than a jump from +25 to +50.
And dude...SCs are rediculously expensive....just buy a 55!
BTW, i agree that the properties of parts are probably not additive just because a jump from stock up 25 is way different than a jump from +25 to +50.
And dude...SCs are rediculously expensive....just buy a 55!
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I'll have mine headers install this Saturday, i'll let you know how it goes.
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Don't know how that works really,.............. I'm just going off what I was told by Kleemann. Being that they've installed/dynoed them before I have no reason not to believe them. The dyno results pugguy2001 posted are also on point,...... he said he's got about 246 (+57hp) at the crank w/ same mod. So I'm hoping to get somewhere in that neighborhood,.................. we'll see.![thumbs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
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I might make an independent-run of mine again to be advertised with one of our forum sponsors - just like 1FAST is doing with his custom header project. We'll see.
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Let's thoroughly analyze what's been going on here...
A direct quote of CMoriart's post on the "other forum":
Obviously, the boost kit is doing what it should. Total increase in torque in the low-end, increase in power throughout - showed on paper for the highend. The pulleys and FPR push that what little air can go through. BIG difference in driving feel, ask Blake/Drex whoever's driven EVE pre-phoenix era.
KLEEMANN never got around to producing that ECU-Remap due to cost-effectiveness, btw. I say again, the only people to develop an ECU tune for a K-BOX+ tune is (and only) SpeedInnovation - I'm not pushing a product, that's just a fact. Come to think of it... I might be the only person here to have it :\.
Anyway, back on topic. No matter how you think about the above post (WHP or FWHP) - this should now suddenly alert you to which Kleemann upgrade is most bang for the pricetag.
A direct quote of CMoriart's post on the "other forum":
Must remember... that Hp and tqe are not what they truly are until the dy'no. I believe my stock invoice stated 189Hp/5800Rpm and 192Lb/ft/3500-4000.
My first dy'no stock was 171.6HP/5492Rpm and 174.6Lbf/ft/3620Rpm.
I then added the Kleemann Boost Kit and produced:
193.9Hp/5718Rpm and 193.4Lbf/ft/3330Rpm.
I then added the Kleemann Header (WITHOUT ECU MAPPING) and produced:
198.3Hp/5570Rpm and 207.7Lbf/ft/3952Rpm.
By the end of this week I should have the ECU mapped by Kleemann and they are stating up to 20hp or so on top of what I have already. I will post once complete.
My first dy'no stock was 171.6HP/5492Rpm and 174.6Lbf/ft/3620Rpm.
I then added the Kleemann Boost Kit and produced:
193.9Hp/5718Rpm and 193.4Lbf/ft/3330Rpm.
I then added the Kleemann Header (WITHOUT ECU MAPPING) and produced:
198.3Hp/5570Rpm and 207.7Lbf/ft/3952Rpm.
By the end of this week I should have the ECU mapped by Kleemann and they are stating up to 20hp or so on top of what I have already. I will post once complete.
KLEEMANN never got around to producing that ECU-Remap due to cost-effectiveness, btw. I say again, the only people to develop an ECU tune for a K-BOX+ tune is (and only) SpeedInnovation - I'm not pushing a product, that's just a fact. Come to think of it... I might be the only person here to have it :\.
Anyway, back on topic. No matter how you think about the above post (WHP or FWHP) - this should now suddenly alert you to which Kleemann upgrade is most bang for the pricetag.
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My dyno WHP.
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Raise your hand if you've seen this more than 5 times :\.
Explanation - so this is a RWHP dyno. Let's round it off to an 18% drivetrain loss from crank then maybe things would make sense.
So I dynoed at ~160WHP with the boost kit on - weird huh? Gained additional power after my first prototype header, 172.5whp/186.8wtq.
Translate that anyway you want, but that 250+ at the crank? Maybe if they retailed fairydust at WalMart we'd all have it. I have tested the limits of the M271 to perform as far as it can possibly go... there's only one route left.
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oh, man!!! dude 1100 for kleeman headers? damn...TOTALLY wouldve done it without hesitation...when people say "parts are no longer available" does that mean that they are no longer made for the older engines, or that they are just out of stock at Kleemann USA?
BTW, i agree that the properties of parts are probably not additive just because a jump from stock up 25 is way different than a jump from +25 to +50.
And dude...SCs are rediculously expensive....just buy a 55!
BTW, i agree that the properties of parts are probably not additive just because a jump from stock up 25 is way different than a jump from +25 to +50.
And dude...SCs are rediculously expensive....just buy a 55!
Tee_Tz.
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I have yet to see someone break the 200 whp mark on the m271. My car is in the process of being completed, but I'm not even sure if it'll get back on the dyno.
In order to gain 50hp, it'll take more than just the headers and boost kit alone. For those of you that are expecting huge gains, I'd greatly lower your expectations. Tuning will help, but then you have to account for the AFR (Air Fuel Ratio), which already runs very high stock! I've got custom injectors to solve that issue.
Good luck with the mods, ladies and gents!
In order to gain 50hp, it'll take more than just the headers and boost kit alone. For those of you that are expecting huge gains, I'd greatly lower your expectations. Tuning will help, but then you have to account for the AFR (Air Fuel Ratio), which already runs very high stock! I've got custom injectors to solve that issue.
Good luck with the mods, ladies and gents!
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Yeh, it's surprising that Kleeman, not some shlock fly by night company would claim 25 hp from a header on a < 200 HP engine?
Thats > 12.5% increase in HP.
Though I notice the torque is greatly increased, but dang those 1.8's don't hit their stride till 3800 rpm?
One of these days I gotta get a dyno.
My car just breathes since I put the header on, and sucks the gas too if I'm not careful. Wish I could find an intake system to replace stock that would increase flow and HP.
And BTW, congrats on the parts!
Thats a chunk of change but it'll be worth it.
Only other thing would be a muffler or exhaust.
Thats > 12.5% increase in HP.
Though I notice the torque is greatly increased, but dang those 1.8's don't hit their stride till 3800 rpm?
One of these days I gotta get a dyno.
My car just breathes since I put the header on, and sucks the gas too if I'm not careful. Wish I could find an intake system to replace stock that would increase flow and HP.
And BTW, congrats on the parts!
Thats a chunk of change but it'll be worth it.
Only other thing would be a muffler or exhaust.
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Wow!!!!........... alot of action since my last post. I didn't mean to get everyone all up in arms. I'll call Kleemann tomorrow to clarify what they said; I may have misunderstood something.
Now I have a question about the dyno #'s that's been thrown around,....... were the cars dynoed in dyno mode? Now Drexx you said you have yet to see an m271 break the 200 barrier, but pugguy2001 says he has.
Another example is what's on Kleemann's site, they claim that a C200 with the same m271 went from 163 to 210(don't know if was at wheels). Of course that's what Kleemann claims so who knows exactly. Truth be told, all of this means nothing until I get the install done and my own dyno results.
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Originally Posted by pugguy2001
Hey you forgot about me. I was #6 to buy the Kleemann kit, then I purchased there header when it was released. I think there was a total of 7 kits made and sold, which I think made R Stevens #7. The only other mod I added was the Sprint Booster.
I had my car dynoed in dyno mode . The dyno was done before the Sprint Booster was added. The dyno was a mustang dyno also. I was just at 205 for hp and 205 torque at the wheels. Add 20% for drive train loss and its about 246 at the crank. Let me tell you the car flys now. The one thing you must get after you install the Klemann kit is the Sprint Booster. This just completed the car. You lose some bottom end with there headers but gain it from mid to high, With the sprint booster your super charger kicks in sooner and makes up for the lose off back pressure, which is caused y the free flowing header and high flow cat
I had my car dynoed in dyno mode . The dyno was done before the Sprint Booster was added. The dyno was a mustang dyno also. I was just at 205 for hp and 205 torque at the wheels. Add 20% for drive train loss and its about 246 at the crank. Let me tell you the car flys now. The one thing you must get after you install the Klemann kit is the Sprint Booster. This just completed the car. You lose some bottom end with there headers but gain it from mid to high, With the sprint booster your super charger kicks in sooner and makes up for the lose off back pressure, which is caused y the free flowing header and high flow cat
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Believe me,.... I know I can't come close to either of those AMG's w/ under 50k miles for the price I paid including the Kleemann parts.
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Another example is what's on Kleemann's site, they claim that a C200 with the same m271 went from 163 to 210(don't know if was at wheels). Of course that's what Kleemann claims so who knows exactly. Truth be told, all of this means nothing until I get the install done and my own dyno results.
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Wow!!!!........... alot of action since my last post. I didn't mean to get everyone all up in arms. I'll call Kleemann tomorrow to clarify what they said; I may have misunderstood something.
Now I have a question about the dyno #'s that's been thrown around,....... were the cars dynoed in dyno mode? Now Drexx you said you have yet to see an m271 break the 200 barrier, but pugguy2001 says he has.
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It's not possible to dyno this car without being in dyno mode. When the car reads that the front wheels aren't moving, it automatically makes the rear wheels stall (because it thinks something is wrong).
So, this car HAS to be in dyno mode in order to dyno it.
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Originally Posted by Originally Posted by pugguy2001
Hey you forgot about me. I was #6 to buy the Kleemann kit, then I purchased there header when it was released. I think there was a total of 7 kits made and sold, which I think made R Stevens #7. The only other mod I added was the Sprint Booster.
I had my car dynoed in dyno mode . The dyno was done before the Sprint Booster was added. The dyno was a mustang dyno also. I was just at 205 for hp and 205 torque at the wheels. Add 20% for drive train loss and its about 246 at the crank. Let me tell you the car flys now. The one thing you must get after you install the Klemann kit is the Sprint Booster. This just completed the car. You lose some bottom end with there headers but gain it from mid to high, With the sprint booster your super charger kicks in sooner and makes up for the lose off back pressure, which is caused y the free flowing header and high flow cat
I had my car dynoed in dyno mode . The dyno was done before the Sprint Booster was added. The dyno was a mustang dyno also. I was just at 205 for hp and 205 torque at the wheels. Add 20% for drive train loss and its about 246 at the crank. Let me tell you the car flys now. The one thing you must get after you install the Klemann kit is the Sprint Booster. This just completed the car. You lose some bottom end with there headers but gain it from mid to high, With the sprint booster your super charger kicks in sooner and makes up for the lose off back pressure, which is caused y the free flowing header and high flow cat