Got my stock 240 dyno'd...results here
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Why the heck are superchargers so expensive?! Aren't they "just" crank driven air pumps? I'd never spend $10,000 on a glorified air pump unless my name was Bill Gates 
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Originally posted by Jim Banville
Why the heck are superchargers so expensive?! Aren't they "just" crank driven air pumps? I'd never spend $10,000 on a glorified air pump unless my name was Bill Gates
Why the heck are superchargers so expensive?! Aren't they "just" crank driven air pumps? I'd never spend $10,000 on a glorified air pump unless my name was Bill Gates
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Originally posted by Jim Banville
Why the heck are superchargers so expensive?! Aren't they "just" crank driven air pumps? I'd never spend $10,000 on a glorified air pump unless my name was Bill Gates
Why the heck are superchargers so expensive?! Aren't they "just" crank driven air pumps? I'd never spend $10,000 on a glorified air pump unless my name was Bill Gates
Superchargers alone are not very expensive. As for your "glorified air pump", they are much more than that. If you have ever been to the Autorotor factory in sweden, you'll know what I'm talking about. These are highly engineered pieces of mechanical equipment. They are produced with VERY close tolerances that are laser checked on a level piece marble down to the 10 thousanth of an inch. If a rotor does not match the programmed spec. it's trash. The equipment used to make these "glorified air pumps" are precision machines that are wickedly expensive.
There is a huge difference between the electrical air pump on your engine used for emissions and a mechanical supercharger used for forced induction. 2 1/2 years worth of R+D, Carb certifications, brutal testing and a 50% increase in power is well worth the $8500. There is no other system at that price with OEM-quality engineering that will match the performance of a KLEEMANN kompressor.
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They are produced with VERY close tolerances
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Originally posted by Jim Banville
Are you telling me that an entire ENGINE, that can be bought for half the price of that passive "air pump" and requires just as much R&D, isn't built to tight tolerances?
Are you telling me that an entire ENGINE, that can be bought for half the price of that passive "air pump" and requires just as much R&D, isn't built to tight tolerances?
Passive air pump?? the definition of a passive device is as follows:
A device that does not require a source of energy for it's operation. Last time I checked, a supercharger is driven by the energy the engine produces. A better term would be "active"
I think you should read my post again. I said absolutly nothing about engines not being built to close tolerances. My point being, a complete kompressor system that will add 50% more power is hardly a glorified air pump. There is much more involved in the system than just the supercharger, which, by the way is a true compressor, meaning it compresses the air and creates positive pressure in the intake manifold. If you think you can do it better and cheaper, be my guest, I would be very interested in your results.
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CoryU you have given a lot of information on Blowers.
but to my surprise by doing a little research on Kleemann there is a dealer here in the springs and im kind excited about this cause im considering putting in order in for a W209
Maybe i will E-mail or give a call soon and fill you in on the details
and what im thinking about doing.
So that Explains why I saw a black E-Class a few months back on the show floor with Kleeman upgrades
but to my surprise by doing a little research on Kleemann there is a dealer here in the springs and im kind excited about this cause im considering putting in order in for a W209
Maybe i will E-mail or give a call soon and fill you in on the details
and what im thinking about doing.
So that Explains why I saw a black E-Class a few months back on the show floor with Kleeman upgrades
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by spliffstar
CoryU you have given a lot of information on Blowers.
but to my surprise by doing a little research on Kleemann there is a dealer here in the springs and im kind excited about this cause im considering putting in order in for a W209
Maybe i will E-mail or give a call soon and fill you in on the details
and what im thinking about doing.
So that Explains why I saw a black E-Class a few months back on the show floor with Kleeman upgrades [/QUOTE
KLEEMANN USA is based out of COS. Take a look at my profile. I drive that E32K everyday. Feel free to give me a call and drop by so you can take a ride in it. We also just got done with the kompressor installation in our new E500. Still to come is exhaust, interior, suspension, brakes and wheels. All of the wood trim bits are in denmark being made into silver carbon fiber. That car is a beast.
CoryU you have given a lot of information on Blowers.
but to my surprise by doing a little research on Kleemann there is a dealer here in the springs and im kind excited about this cause im considering putting in order in for a W209
Maybe i will E-mail or give a call soon and fill you in on the details
and what im thinking about doing.
So that Explains why I saw a black E-Class a few months back on the show floor with Kleeman upgrades
[/QUOTEKLEEMANN USA is based out of COS. Take a look at my profile. I drive that E32K everyday. Feel free to give me a call and drop by so you can take a ride in it. We also just got done with the kompressor installation in our new E500. Still to come is exhaust, interior, suspension, brakes and wheels. All of the wood trim bits are in denmark being made into silver carbon fiber. That car is a beast.
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Cory,
Why does Kleemann not use an intercooler with their kompressor system? I know the heat issue is not a problem becuase of the amount of boost, but would you not want to have an intercooler with the system? If you did, would you be able to run more boost then?
Why does Kleemann not use an intercooler with their kompressor system? I know the heat issue is not a problem becuase of the amount of boost, but would you not want to have an intercooler with the system? If you did, would you be able to run more boost then?
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KLEEMANN does indeed use an intercooler with all of our kompressor systems. The intercooler is inside the intake manifold, above the kompressor. The charge air comming out of the kompressor is immediatly put "through" the intercooler, and then into the engine. The intercooler is a air to water unit, and the radiator is mounted behind the front bumper, in front of the engine's radiator. That intercooler has the capability to cool the charge air by 85-95% depending on conditions. Read: VERY sophisticated. So much so, it's patented.
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I don't know what book your looking in, but according to the Mercedes-Benz Electronic Parts Catalog, a complete C240 engine is $9,130.00. According to my math, that's not half of $8,500.00.
Passive air pump??
If you think you can do it better and cheaper, be my guest, I would be very interested in your results.
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Jim-
That hand pump you use to blow up your kids tires is not a passive device either. It requires a source of energy for it's operation. a passive device would be a wire, or maybe a diode. a paper clip would be another example.
You can also get a T.V. for $4000.00, or maybe a new bath tub??
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Call it what you may- Performance is obviously not your priority. Call me when you decide you want that V6 to make some real power.
That hand pump you use to blow up your kids tires is not a passive device either. It requires a source of energy for it's operation. a passive device would be a wire, or maybe a diode. a paper clip would be another example.
You can also get a T.V. for $4000.00, or maybe a new bath tub??
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Call it what you may- Performance is obviously not your priority. Call me when you decide you want that V6 to make some real power.
