JeT

Just been looking at the Upsolute datasheet for the C230K chip mod. They claim about a 40hp gain using their mod chip. Now knowing how gungho some of you guys are in tuning their car, I'm surprised that no one has seriously thought about modding the chip in conjunction to their pully mod. I don't know much about the chip mods but it does sound like a mod that would be less complicated than installing a pulley or a new intercoller.

mdp c230k

That is for the old sedan C230K, pre-2001. There is no chip for the SportCoupe yet.

TimmyC230boy

yes there is upsolute makes one as well as renntech. I also think Kleemann and GIAC are working on them as well

Cory @ Kleemann

KLEEMANN does not do "chip" tuning. We have experimented with several different chips in conjunction with our over-boost kit, with little or no gain. It is not a good idea to use a chip with the boost kit. Here's why:

All chip tuning consists of is advancing the timing to the limit and dumping more fuel into the engine. With advanced timing, comes higher combustion chamber temps. With any over-boost kit, there is also an increase in temps. When you combine the two, it can make for a terrible result. The combustion chamber temps will climb so high, detonation will occur, and timing will be taken out, making the chip redundant. So, it's either one or the other.
By the way, it is VERY easy to install our over-boost kit. Easier than a chip I think. Do you really want to risk breaking a connection in your ECU to put a chip in? I've seen people do it before, which will force you to buy a $2500 ECU from Mercedes, as well as the interrogation of MBZ asking you why the hell you need a new ECU. Do you think you can fix it yourself? Think again. MBZ actually calculates the resistance of the solder joint and incorporates that into the operation of the ECU. Once you break it, the only one who has any hope of repairing it is the factory- in Germany, in which case, the interrogation begins again.

Just thought you 'oghta know!

Buellwinkle

Jet, get the Upsolute chip and let us know if you get 40hp, that would be great. The only dyno I've seen on a coupe with that chip was about 6-8hp but maybe they got better. It's only about $400 so how can you go wrong.

JeT

hehe, nice try Buell. Actually they don't have a datasheet for a C200K and I was told that the power gains for a C200K would be much less than the C230K...didn't get any sort of reason why that would be though.

So how much is that boost-kit anyway? I would be interested but there aint no Kleemann dealers in Oz...none that I know of anyway.

mdp c230k

JeT, Kleemann will sell to you directly and ship the pulley kit. Depending on which kit, ring or solid pulley, it is from $600 to $900 US.

JeT

Is that the ring pulley or the alloy pulley? I would probably go the pulley mod but will probably wait for the warrant to run out.

mdp c230k

Ring = $600, Solid = $900 USD. I like the ring, some like the solid. It is the subject of heated debate here.

Buellwinkle

Or of course the ASP alloy pulley for $350, cheaper than the chip and they'll honor your warranty for a year even if you install it yourself.

mdp c230k

Is that the cars warranty or the pulley itself? If they don't cover the car then it is worthless. What is going to go wrong with a chunk of metal?

Buellwinkle

Mdp c230, sorry, don't know of any pulley that comes with a car warranty. But it's not totally worthless as Kleemann and ASP customers both had warranty issues that I've heard of on the forums. I'm not saying that this is prevalent, just happens, like anything else. Which pulley do you have?

mdp c230k

I'm planning on Kleemann ring and am interested in an intercooler upgrade as soon as I get a few more miles on my car. I've had it over a year and don't even have 5000 miles on it yet!

Buellwinkle

You may want to take advantage of the group buy special on the Renntech intercooler for $758 (complete kit) that ends this week. After that it goes for the full Renntech price. This is something you can put in even without the pulley. Also if you want a deal on a Kleemann ring, check out MagnaSLK, he's had one to sell for a while now. Also I've hear Mark Cummins replaced his ring for an alloy pulley, you may be able to get a deal on that one.

JKDBENZ

So how much more can a mod pulley bring in? all this talk about pulley is putting thoughts in my head. is there a noticeable difference????

Buellwinkle

Every tuner advertises a different gain but the most is about 238hp and the least was 212hp. I personally got about 226hp with everything stock except the pulley and 232hp with the airfilter off. That's a hefty gain over the 192hp with just $350 (+ an $18 belt) and 1 hour of your time to install. With an intercooler, k&n filter and chip I believe 250-260hp is possible.

vadim

Bull*****. The resistance of a solder joint (being metal - conductive material) is in the area of fractions of an ohm. Do you know what kind of instruments must be used for to measure this???

Beastdiesel

whats the difference between the ring and the solid and how would i go about installing

firstkill

HEH
all this again,

Im still running the original asp alum pully

But the pepboys belt is cracking so i gotta replace that soon.

I thought the intercooler for the car didnt do much? Buel did renntech make a different one?


~fk

JeT

Man, this thread is old!!

The ring pulley attaches to your original OEM pulley via screws...the alloy pulley is a full replacement of your OEM pulley. I don't think Kleeman USA stocks them anymore so you will have to contact Kleeman in Europe (that's if you want the Kleeman pulley).

For installation instructions there is an old thread floating around somewhere...do a search and you may be able to dig it up.