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Old 10-27-2002, 06:46 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Kleemann, are you watching?

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....if you could tell me or PM me the correct torque settings on that screws again please....
The set screws should be installed with RED 272 Loctite or similiar HIGH STRENGTH thread locker. 20 to 22 lbs/ft max TQ (or as tight as you can make them with a standard 100mm long 5mm allen key).

I dont recommend "checking" the TQ once installed- If you break the thread locker free it is useless and the fastener will need to be reomved, cleaned, re-coated and torqued again.

If an installation is done incorrectly the time elapsed before a problem occurs can be measured in a few days. It sounds to me as if you had a proper installation.
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Is it really neccesary to drill the spaces in to set the screws in for the ring kit?

Im guessing if your car is leased, the ring isnt the way to go as the pulley gets marked up?

Correct me if im wrong, I just got a 230K, and am torn between what to do.
Old 10-27-2002, 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by x15jq
Is it really neccesary to drill the spaces in to set the screws in for the ring kit?

Im guessing if your car is leased, the ring isnt the way to go as the pulley gets marked up?

Correct me if im wrong, I just got a 230K, and am torn between what to do.
There is no drilling required for the ring kit- it does mark the pulley.

If you are worried about your lease return get the alloy pulley- It provides better power and response in any case.
Old 10-27-2002, 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by KLEEMANN
...It provides better power and response in any case...
Kleemann, would you able to tell me how much extra power gain the alloy pulley has over the ring pulley on the C200K?
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Thanks for the help KLEEMANN

I have worked on small engines in the past.

Is it hard to remove the actually pulley off the tapered end of the crankshaft? I would assume it is, after removingthe bolt but I may be wrong.

Is there a puller of any sort needed?
Old 10-27-2002, 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by bajaiman
Kleemann, would you able to tell me how much extra power gain the alloy pulley has over the ring pulley on the C200K?
The alloy pulley provides approx 8hp and 9 lbs/ft tq more power than the standard pulley with the ring, a nominal 5% increase. I wiould expect a similar 5% gain with the 200.
Old 10-27-2002, 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by x15jq
Thanks for the help KLEEMANN

I have worked on small engines in the past.

Is it hard to remove the actually pulley off the tapered end of the crankshaft? I would assume it is, after removingthe bolt but I may be wrong.

Is there a puller of any sort needed?
The MBZ pulley is not tapered but a woodruff key arrangement. Once you have taken the bolt out the pullley comes off quite easily. Buellwinkle has posted some directions for (his?) ASP installation- have a look at them. Check the archives (or do a keyword search) and you will find a huge amount of info on this topic.
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but what exactly does a pulley do???
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Originally posted by CitronC230K_03
but what exactly does a pulley do???
The overszed crankshaft pulley turns the supercharger faster, which increase the boost from 5 psi to 8.5 to 9.5 psi depending on whose pulley it is.
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Thanks for your help KLEEMANN. Also what do you reccomend for torque specifications on the bolt/
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The overszed crankshaft pulley turns the supercharger faster, which increase the boost from 5 psi to 8.5 to 9.5 psi depending on whose pulley it is.
thanks! so basically you get more boost from the S/C
Old 10-27-2002, 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by x15jq
Thanks for your help KLEEMANN. Also what do you reccomend for torque specifications on the bolt/
MBZ states TQ for the crank bolt at 300nm, or approx 210 lbs/ft.
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That is for a steel pulley. I realize you have a steel band to protect wear where the pulley contacts the seal but does it add enough rigidity to the aluminum to support that much pressure from the bolt?
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Originally posted by Buellwinkle
That is for a steel pulley. I realize you have a steel band to protect wear where the pulley contacts the seal but does it add enough rigidity to the aluminum to support that much pressure from the bolt?
Did you notice the three very oily machined washers on the crank bolt? This arrangement avoids any damage to the pulley- they take the rotation between them so the head of the bolt never gouges the pulley. The alloy is certainly strong enough to withstand this amount of compression. Are you worried about your ASP pulley or something?
Old 10-27-2002, 10:58 PM
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Not worried at all, no holes remember I would have to own a torque wrench to even start worrying.
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Oh, no. I've just opened Pandora's Box, again.:p

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Old 10-27-2002, 11:09 PM
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Re: Re: Kleemann, are you watching?

Originally posted by KLEEMANN
Yes- Im here. Sorry, but I havent been to the board in some time. The price from DK must include VAT and installation.

The ring kit is approx 4lbs shipping weight. All alloy pulley is 7lbs shipping weight.

Thanks Kleemann, I'm "finally" gotten in touch with your Malaysia agent (with a lot of trouble), please advise your webmaster that in Malaysia the phone/fax numbers have another digit added to it, therefore your "dealers" web page is incorrect for Malaysia.

As for the past two failures, I'm not concerned with the problems of just two people... I'm pretty confident with Danish quality control (used to live in Danmark you see... )

Anyways about installation, my friends' father is the cheif mechanic at Brabus Thailand, I'm sure he would have installed a ring or ten in his life ... that is, if he doesn't see the Kleemann logo and swap it for a Brabus one without me knowing hahahaha

Well, my Kleemann ring pulley is being ordered as we speak...thanks to everyone on this board... you've been a great help, and thanks Kleemann - its comforting to see an official representative mingling with us customers.

Cheers,
Old 10-27-2002, 11:36 PM
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C200K
K20 or K23

KLEEMANN ------

Can you shed some light on this subject? Why does your Malaysian distributor insist that the K23 won't fit on a C200K? Is this true, I thought BAIJAMAN ordered a K23 kit and it fits fine for his C200k (and he was told so by the US distributor as well)

Order on hold... you see, the fact of the matter is that Kleemann USA sells the K23 for nearly half the price sold anywhere else in the world. If the K23 fits, I'd love to save a few hundred dollars to be used on other performance mods.

Confused
Old 10-28-2002, 08:30 PM
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Re: K20 or K23

Originally posted by 3pointedSTAR
KLEEMANN ------

Can you shed some light on this subject? Why does your Malaysian distributor insist that the K23 won't fit on a C200K? Is this true, I thought BAIJAMAN ordered a K23 kit and it fits fine for his C200k (and he was told so by the US distributor as well)

Order on hold... you see, the fact of the matter is that Kleemann USA sells the K23 for nearly half the price sold anywhere else in the world. If the K23 fits, I'd love to save a few hundred dollars to be used on other performance mods.

Confused
The dealer in Malaysia doesnt know what hes talking about. The boost systems designed for the 230's will fit the 200's no problem. Just be sure to specify which model year you have.

Please contact us at info@kleemannusa.com
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Re: K20 or K23

Originally posted by 3pointedSTAR
Order on hold... you see, the fact of the matter is that Kleemann USA sells the K23 for nearly half the price sold anywhere else in the world. If the K23 fits, I'd love to save a few hundred dollars to be used on other performance mods.

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If you buy it in the US and have it shipped, assuming nobody lied on the customs form, you will probably have to pay duty anyway, no? The best way is to have someone in the U.S. buy it for you and ship it as a gift. You'll need the money you save on an intercooler as the factory one gets heatsoaked easily with the performance pulley.
Old 10-28-2002, 11:42 PM
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01 C200 Kompressor, 02 C32 AMG
Intercooler weight?

Buellwinkle, do you mind telling me how heavy is your Renntech intercooler??...if not that heavy I'll get my cousin in US to ship for me.
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It's pretty heavy, came in a box that is 44x12x12". I would guess at 10 lbs. It cost about $9 to ship it.
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01 C200 Kompressor, 02 C32 AMG
intercooler dimension

Do you also mind me asking whats the dimension on the intercooler?... I'm just wondering whether that intercooler will fit on my C200K.

Cheers
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http://www.capa.com.au/main.htm

Bajaiman if you are in Australia try Capa, the guys there told me they were looking into 200/230 kompressor mods. They also do intercoolers.
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Thanks for the info , I'll give them a try. Hopefully they have one to fit my C200K, if its too much then I might get Renntech intercooler from US


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