Saw new Accord the other day...
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Originally posted by Jim Banville
I haven't driven or even seen a G35 (coupe or sedan) up close, but based on specs and reviews, I have been trying to convince my wife to look at it (the sedan) as an alternative to the E320 she hopes to upgrade to from our current C240. Other than price, the G35 sedan and E320 are very close (power, size, etc.). People in the E class forum said they have looked at the G35, and it isn't in the same "class" as the E. ... By the way, I asked in another thread what personal experience you have had with the unreliability of MB's. I'm still curious.
I haven't driven or even seen a G35 (coupe or sedan) up close, but based on specs and reviews, I have been trying to convince my wife to look at it (the sedan) as an alternative to the E320 she hopes to upgrade to from our current C240. Other than price, the G35 sedan and E320 are very close (power, size, etc.). People in the E class forum said they have looked at the G35, and it isn't in the same "class" as the E. ... By the way, I asked in another thread what personal experience you have had with the unreliability of MB's. I'm still curious.
Personally, I've had one "incident" with my C240 in 13K miles -- a stuck steering wheel lock motor. I wouldn't think twice about getting another MB. What has your experience been with your own C240?
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Originally posted by MarkL
Agreed, IMO, you can't compare the G35 sedan with any E-Class -- there's nowhere near the sophistication or quality. To me, the G35 is a sportier I35, something like an Acura TL, etc. None of those cars approaches an E320.
Agreed, IMO, you can't compare the G35 sedan with any E-Class -- there's nowhere near the sophistication or quality. To me, the G35 is a sportier I35, something like an Acura TL, etc. None of those cars approaches an E320.
I have had 9 Mercedes. I've run most of them through my company as company cars, a couple I've owned long term.
Most of them have been very reliable, a couple have been almost faultless ('90 300SL has been almost perfect), and only one has been on the way below average side. That is an '00 E320. The others have all been earlier cars.
MBs recent quality control and reliability problems are pretty well known in the industry - if anyone doesn't want to believe that, well, that's certainly fine with me.
Finally, MB uses a ton of "high quality plastic" in their interiors, too.
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Originally posted by MacPhisto
Well, for twice the price, I would hope that the E320 offers something! Because its certainly not performance. I'm not exactly sure what "sophistication" is, but as far as quality, I think the MBs since the early 90s have been of OK, but not outstanding quality. Just my opinion. I think if you take the badges off of the cars, and put 3 engineers in an LS430 and an E320 (which are around the same price), and asked them to judge which one, from an engineering, materials and build standpoint is the more "quality" car, most of the engineers wouldn't pick the e320. Just my opinion.
I have had 9 Mercedes. I've run most of them through my company as company cars, a couple I've owned long term.
Most of them have been very reliable, a couple have been almost faultless ('90 300SL has been almost perfect), and only one has been on the way below average side. That is an '00 E320. The others have all been earlier cars.
MBs recent quality control and reliability problems are pretty well known in the industry - if anyone doesn't want to believe that, well, that's certainly fine with me.
Finally, MB uses a ton of "high quality plastic" in their interiors, too.
Well, for twice the price, I would hope that the E320 offers something! Because its certainly not performance. I'm not exactly sure what "sophistication" is, but as far as quality, I think the MBs since the early 90s have been of OK, but not outstanding quality. Just my opinion. I think if you take the badges off of the cars, and put 3 engineers in an LS430 and an E320 (which are around the same price), and asked them to judge which one, from an engineering, materials and build standpoint is the more "quality" car, most of the engineers wouldn't pick the e320. Just my opinion.
I have had 9 Mercedes. I've run most of them through my company as company cars, a couple I've owned long term.
Most of them have been very reliable, a couple have been almost faultless ('90 300SL has been almost perfect), and only one has been on the way below average side. That is an '00 E320. The others have all been earlier cars.
MBs recent quality control and reliability problems are pretty well known in the industry - if anyone doesn't want to believe that, well, that's certainly fine with me.
Finally, MB uses a ton of "high quality plastic" in their interiors, too.
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Finally, MB uses a ton of "high quality plastic" in their interiors, too.
BUT, if I HAD to buy a Japanese car, it WOULDN'T be the fugly (Civic-inspired), FWD Accord.
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What has your experience been with your own C240?
). I only wish the car was BIGGER I'd rate the performance a little lacking. I wish it had the power of the C320, and the transmission seems to search a little too much. The ride is SO SMOOTH! Did I mention I wish the car was BIGGER!! I'm sure we'll love the E320 just as much in '04
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New Honda Accord
The quality of Honda products starting with the mid-eighties and forward has and is very good. My problem with Honda and for that matter most Japanese cars is their lack of originally.
The new Honda looks like five year old Buick from the rear. The side view looks like a scaled down Sclass Mercedes and the front like a Camry.
The Lexus LS430 looks like a Mercedes Sclass. There other cars look just plain ugly....
And overal. be honest it's getting harder to tell one Japanese car from another. ON the otherhand have you ever confused a new VW with any Japanses car. Any Mercedes, Audi, Volvo or Saab? That's my point. The Japanese are not inovative at all but copiers.
Secondly there HP ratings are bogus or they use small horses. When you compare the performance with there HP ratings they don't add up....
Just my take I could be wrong.
The new Honda looks like five year old Buick from the rear. The side view looks like a scaled down Sclass Mercedes and the front like a Camry.
The Lexus LS430 looks like a Mercedes Sclass. There other cars look just plain ugly....
And overal. be honest it's getting harder to tell one Japanese car from another. ON the otherhand have you ever confused a new VW with any Japanses car. Any Mercedes, Audi, Volvo or Saab? That's my point. The Japanese are not inovative at all but copiers.
Secondly there HP ratings are bogus or they use small horses. When you compare the performance with there HP ratings they don't add up....
Just my take I could be wrong.
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Re: New Honda Accord
Originally posted by GTIDAN
The quality of Honda products starting with the mid-eighties and forward has and is very good. My problem with Honda and for that matter most Japanese cars is their lack of originally.
The new Honda looks like five year old Buick from the rear. The side view looks like a scaled down Sclass Mercedes and the front like a Camry.
The Lexus LS430 looks like a Mercedes Sclass. There other cars look just plain ugly....
And overal. be honest it's getting harder to tell one Japanese car from another. ON the otherhand have you ever confused a new VW with any Japanses car. Any Mercedes, Audi, Volvo or Saab? That's my point. The Japanese are not inovative at all but copiers.
Secondly there HP ratings are bogus or they use small horses. When you compare the performance with there HP ratings they don't add up....
Just my take I could be wrong.
The quality of Honda products starting with the mid-eighties and forward has and is very good. My problem with Honda and for that matter most Japanese cars is their lack of originally.
The new Honda looks like five year old Buick from the rear. The side view looks like a scaled down Sclass Mercedes and the front like a Camry.
The Lexus LS430 looks like a Mercedes Sclass. There other cars look just plain ugly....
And overal. be honest it's getting harder to tell one Japanese car from another. ON the otherhand have you ever confused a new VW with any Japanses car. Any Mercedes, Audi, Volvo or Saab? That's my point. The Japanese are not inovative at all but copiers.
Secondly there HP ratings are bogus or they use small horses. When you compare the performance with there HP ratings they don't add up....
Just my take I could be wrong.
This thread is Boooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnngg ggg.
Off topic please.
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Aww cmon peoples, those cars don't look that bad.. i agree that the front looks like a civic(yes a grown up civic) Just the other night i was driving to a friend's place and I saw the back end of this car that looks almost like a CLK 320 end.. but as i came up closer i saw that it was the new accord with the sandy blue exterior paint.. it lloooked so nice! hehe.. but I'll stick with my Benz.
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Originally posted by KompressorBabee
Aww cmon peoples, those cars don't look that bad.. i agree that the front looks like a civic(yes a grown up civic) Just the other night i was driving to a friend's place and I saw the back end of this car that looks almost like a CLK 320 end.. but as i came up closer i saw that it was the new accord with the sandy blue exterior paint.. it lloooked so nice! hehe.. but I'll stick with my Benz.
Aww cmon peoples, those cars don't look that bad.. i agree that the front looks like a civic(yes a grown up civic) Just the other night i was driving to a friend's place and I saw the back end of this car that looks almost like a CLK 320 end.. but as i came up closer i saw that it was the new accord with the sandy blue exterior paint.. it lloooked so nice! hehe.. but I'll stick with my Benz.
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Re: New Honda Accord
Originally posted by GTIDAN
The new Honda looks like five year old Buick from the rear. The side view looks like a scaled down Sclass Mercedes and the front like a Camry.
The Lexus LS430 looks like a Mercedes Sclass. There other cars look just plain ugly....
And overal. be honest it's getting harder to tell one Japanese car from another. ON the otherhand have you ever confused a new VW with any Japanses car. Any Mercedes, Audi, Volvo or Saab? That's my point. The Japanese are not inovative at all but copiers.
Secondly there HP ratings are bogus or they use small horses. When you compare the performance with there HP ratings they don't add up....
Just my take I could be wrong.
The new Honda looks like five year old Buick from the rear. The side view looks like a scaled down Sclass Mercedes and the front like a Camry.
The Lexus LS430 looks like a Mercedes Sclass. There other cars look just plain ugly....
And overal. be honest it's getting harder to tell one Japanese car from another. ON the otherhand have you ever confused a new VW with any Japanses car. Any Mercedes, Audi, Volvo or Saab? That's my point. The Japanese are not inovative at all but copiers.
Secondly there HP ratings are bogus or they use small horses. When you compare the performance with there HP ratings they don't add up....
Just my take I could be wrong.
Im not really sure about the horse rating part of your post. Ummmm....i think a v6 car putting out 280 is pretty good. High 13's stock is pretty darn good. S2000 has about 240 hp with a 4 cylinder engine. I think thats pretty sweet too.
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Once again I mistook an on-coming "new" Accord for a Civic yesterday
Are you gonna tell me that anyone would EVER mistake an Audi for a MB. Or a Saab for a MB? Or a Volvo for a Saab? I don't think so. The Japanese have chosen very conservative designs for their cars that all seem to be similar (this does seem to be changing lately) while their European couterparts have always had very bold and destinctive looks. I have NEVER had to look at the grille emblem or name-plate on a European car to determine manufacturer. I can't say the same for Japanese cars
I beg to differ in some of your points. Some i do agree with. in regards to originality and how "its getting harder to tell one japanese car from the other". Some coworkers and I had a converstaion in regards to your point. We believe that Japanese cars differ greatly especially within thier brand. All lexus cars look different and so do the infinities and toyotas etc. Now lets look at MB. All Mb's have similar taillights and head lights.
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Originally posted by Jim Banville
Once again I mistook an on-coming "new" Accord for a Civic yesterday
Are you gonna tell me that anyone would EVER mistake an Audi for a MB. Or a Saab for a MB? Or a Volvo for a Saab? I don't think so. The Japanese have chosen very conservative designs for their cars that all seem to be similar (this does seem to be changing lately) while their European couterparts have always had very bold and destinctive looks. I have NEVER had to look at the grille emblem or name-plate on a European car to determine manufacturer. I can't say the same for Japanese cars
Once again I mistook an on-coming "new" Accord for a Civic yesterday
Are you gonna tell me that anyone would EVER mistake an Audi for a MB. Or a Saab for a MB? Or a Volvo for a Saab? I don't think so. The Japanese have chosen very conservative designs for their cars that all seem to be similar (this does seem to be changing lately) while their European couterparts have always had very bold and destinctive looks. I have NEVER had to look at the grille emblem or name-plate on a European car to determine manufacturer. I can't say the same for Japanese cars
One reason that i think the euros look different is exactly what you said, "they have bold and distinct looks.", which means within the MAKE, they all look alike. (ie. MB, BMW, AUDI) Once all of them make different looking cars, like the japanese, they will eventually clash and look similar.
You would never have to look at a grill emblem or name plate on euros, becuz i think the GRILL itself is the EMBLEM on most Euro cars. I think the only GRILL that is japanese that stands out is MITSUBISHI...(the newer ones)
In regards to "i mistook an ACCORD for a CIVIC"....i knoe plenty that mistook a S-Class for a C-CLass =)
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if you look at honda,nissan, and toyota this couple of years, they are trying to make their cars similar in looks. for example, the Pilot looks like a blowed up CR-V, M45 looks like the Q from the front, and corolla looks like a bady camary. they are not as similar as you would see on audi, bmw, mb, and Jag, but japanese manufacturer are getting better for setting up their brand image.
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In regards to "i mistook an ACCORD for a CIVIC"....i knoe plenty that mistook a S-Class for a C-CLass =)
Honda is going BACKWARDS! Their "new" Accord looks like last year's Civic, which wasn't exactly a fashion-plate to begin with
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Originally posted by Jim Banville
True, except here the S's current styling came before the C's Honda is going BACKWARDS! Their "new" Accord looks like last year's Civic, which wasn't exactly a fashion-plate to begin with
True, except here the S's current styling came before the C's
Honda is going BACKWARDS! Their "new" Accord looks like last year's Civic, which wasn't exactly a fashion-plate to begin with
FrankW: i agree with you aswell. Nissan is also trying to make that wierd pillar thing in front of the cars like the SENTRA SER-SPECv and the new Frontiers. I figure in a couple years all nissans will have that. Im not pretty sure with other cars but like i mentioned b4 mitsubishi cars are trying to have the same front grill. Any other cars you guys have noticed?
