converting 200K to 230K
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converting 200K to 230K
Since my C200K share the same general engine design with the 230K (m111), would it be possible for me to change the crank shaft to increase my engine capacity? what else would I need to change? I'm assuming I'll also have to change the rods between the piston and the crankshaft.
Do you guys see any problems with this mod? The ECU should be fine right?
cheers
3point
Do you guys see any problems with this mod? The ECU should be fine right?
cheers
3point
#3
I would have if I could have but not enough money unfortunately...
a lenghty explanation... stop reading now if you have better things to do...
Thailand has one of the highest luxury car tax in the 200 to 300% bracket... my C200K costs USD80,000... yup eighty grand US. still at that price Thailand remains the top buyer of Mercedes-Benz cars second only to Germany. Bangkok streets are littered with Mercs... to the same degree as Fords are in the US and Holdens are in Oz. As nasty as it seems, I'm sure you folks in the west don't see many E200 (non kompressor) around your neck of the woods... oh yea also the BMW 520
Secondly road tax is based on engine capacity...
I wish I was back in Australia, but I'm stuck here for a while... you guys in developed countries don't know how lucky you are especially in the US where M3's and C32's are cheap as (thai) chips hehehe
a lenghty explanation... stop reading now if you have better things to do...
Thailand has one of the highest luxury car tax in the 200 to 300% bracket... my C200K costs USD80,000... yup eighty grand US. still at that price Thailand remains the top buyer of Mercedes-Benz cars second only to Germany. Bangkok streets are littered with Mercs... to the same degree as Fords are in the US and Holdens are in Oz. As nasty as it seems, I'm sure you folks in the west don't see many E200 (non kompressor) around your neck of the woods... oh yea also the BMW 520
Secondly road tax is based on engine capacity...
I wish I was back in Australia, but I'm stuck here for a while... you guys in developed countries don't know how lucky you are especially in the US where M3's and C32's are cheap as (thai) chips hehehe
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01 C200 Kompressor, 02 C32 AMG
Originally posted by 3pointedSTAR
...my C200K costs USD80,000...
...my C200K costs USD80,000...
Anyway.....say for example if you are importing a used C32 engine and have it installed in your car... can that be done overthere?? would you have to pay a lot more tax?
#5
engine transplants are possible, and common here in thailand, this is because we don't update our rego to reflect the new engine
The most common engine here is the Toyota 2JZ-GTE and that engine gets shoved into everything from a tiny little BMW 3 series to a 1 tonne ute.
I don't think I can afford a bigger engine, transmission, drive train and brakes, nor can I afford the freight costs, so I was just thinking of converting the 200K to a 230K which should be good for about 40HP I think. The engines are identical, just the stroke length is different from what I've read on this board. If this is so, I'll just replace the crankshaft and piston rods with those from the 230K... I'm sure I'll be able to source these parts from wreckers in Germany (it's useful to have a german speaking friend )
The most common engine here is the Toyota 2JZ-GTE and that engine gets shoved into everything from a tiny little BMW 3 series to a 1 tonne ute.
I don't think I can afford a bigger engine, transmission, drive train and brakes, nor can I afford the freight costs, so I was just thinking of converting the 200K to a 230K which should be good for about 40HP I think. The engines are identical, just the stroke length is different from what I've read on this board. If this is so, I'll just replace the crankshaft and piston rods with those from the 230K... I'm sure I'll be able to source these parts from wreckers in Germany (it's useful to have a german speaking friend )
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01 C200 Kompressor, 02 C32 AMG
Yo 3pointedstar....if its that simple then i want to upgrade mine too ... but I really doubt if its gonna be that simple altho I'm wishing it is :p .... maybe somebody in this board can share any insights if this is doable?
Btw...have you installed your ASP/Kleemann pulley yet?
Btw...have you installed your ASP/Kleemann pulley yet?
#7
Originally posted by bajaiman
maybe somebody in this board can share any insights if this is doable?
maybe somebody in this board can share any insights if this is doable?
Bajaiman... ASP pulley 4 weeks into manufacture..should be a few weeks now. so far I've got brabus block V 17", koni shocks, apex springs, brabus exhaust and tips...
all this stuff is just piled on the floor in my house waiting for my car to return. so far I've got the springs on as well as a set of lorinser D93's from my w202
Oh the reason why my car is in the shop... just 3000 Kms old, some bloody ****** rearended me so hard I had to slice off the rear boot section and weld on a new piece. Car's been in the panel beaters for over four months now as parts had to be shipped from europe. Thank god I've still got another c200K to drive around with...although stock standard (family's emergency car... not allowed to touch it hehehe)
I'm also trying to find a japanese off-the-shelf intercooler that fits...so far I've found an HKS slimline front mount for a Honda civic which fits perfectly, but its about the same size as the stock intercooler...so I'm still looking. also playing around with an air intake setup.. but there's such little space, I found the space behind the driver (for us guys ) side headlights, but plumbing is a problem.
cheers...
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Originally posted by bajaiman
.... But still I envy those guys in US where you can get a C32 for the same price as a C320 in Oz
.... But still I envy those guys in US where you can get a C32 for the same price as a C320 in Oz
Come on up to Canada then. The C32 costs under $43 K US up here
A C 230 K costs about $22 K US here.
Hey, we're both part of the commonwealth...share and share alike, right?
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I must say you guys pay through the nose for cars (guess we do have it pretty lucky in US) but how can you afford $80k (you cant buy cars on credit and monthly payments in Thailand right?), same thing goes for those in Hong Kong and stuff, (are we in the legit business? kidding). On the other hand instead of trying to make your 200k a 230k isnt there performance parts you can get that'll make it as fast if not faster than a 230k for alot less $$$$ and headache.
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Re: price
Originally posted by Mike T.
Ha! You think that's good?
Come on up to Canada then. The C32 costs under $43 K US up here
A C 230 K costs about $22 K US here.
Hey, we're both part of the commonwealth...share and share alike, right?
Cheers
Ha! You think that's good?
Come on up to Canada then. The C32 costs under $43 K US up here
A C 230 K costs about $22 K US here.
Hey, we're both part of the commonwealth...share and share alike, right?
Cheers
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01 C200 Kompressor, 02 C32 AMG
Originally posted by 3pointedSTAR
Oh the reason why my car is in the shop... just 3000 Kms old, some bloody ****** rearended me so hard I had to slice off the rear boot section and weld on a new piece. Car's been in the panel beaters for over four months now as parts had to be shipped from europe. Thank god I've still got another c200K to drive around with...although stock standard (family's emergency car... not allowed to touch it hehehe)
I'm also trying to find a japanese off-the-shelf intercooler that fits...so far I've found an HKS slimline front mount for a Honda civic which fits perfectly, but its about the same size as the stock intercooler...so I'm still looking. also playing around with an air intake setup.. but there's such little space, I found the space behind the driver (for us guys ) side headlights, but plumbing is a problem.
cheers...
Oh the reason why my car is in the shop... just 3000 Kms old, some bloody ****** rearended me so hard I had to slice off the rear boot section and weld on a new piece. Car's been in the panel beaters for over four months now as parts had to be shipped from europe. Thank god I've still got another c200K to drive around with...although stock standard (family's emergency car... not allowed to touch it hehehe)
I'm also trying to find a japanese off-the-shelf intercooler that fits...so far I've found an HKS slimline front mount for a Honda civic which fits perfectly, but its about the same size as the stock intercooler...so I'm still looking. also playing around with an air intake setup.. but there's such little space, I found the space behind the driver (for us guys ) side headlights, but plumbing is a problem.
cheers...
How about custom made intercooler??…since the labour cost in Thailand is not as expensive as in Oz or US you might be able to do some experiments
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Originally posted by tberry
I must say you guys pay through the nose for cars (guess we do have it pretty lucky in US) but how can you afford $80k (you cant buy cars on credit and monthly payments in Thailand right?), same thing goes for those in Hong Kong and stuff, (are we in the legit business? kidding). On the other hand instead of trying to make your 200k a 230k isnt there performance parts you can get that'll make it as fast if not faster than a 230k for alot less $$$$ and headache.
I must say you guys pay through the nose for cars (guess we do have it pretty lucky in US) but how can you afford $80k (you cant buy cars on credit and monthly payments in Thailand right?), same thing goes for those in Hong Kong and stuff, (are we in the legit business? kidding). On the other hand instead of trying to make your 200k a 230k isnt there performance parts you can get that'll make it as fast if not faster than a 230k for alot less $$$$ and headache.
my business in legit... (in Thailand) anywhere else I would be locked up by the IRS hehehe... OK OK monopolys are not banned here... nor is price hiking or sudden profiteering... tax can also be evaded if you know the right people and give them a new car
you can buy cars on credit, but most Thais with enough money buys with cash. Thailand is an economically messed up place... asian economic crisis started here... its like 20% of the population owns the country... how's this for corruption... the Prime Minister here is also the richest business man in the country... holds a monopoly of all communications IN/OUT of the country, telephone, cell networks, data links, cable TV, ISP... oh yea, he's also a high ranking police officer... how that for f**ked up?!?... he personally (not through a public company) owns the only two sattelites in the country.
I have inquired about the Brabus stroke kit for the C200K, which will increase the displacement to 2.6L but as you know Brabus is expensive...I have not asked for the proce but all I know is the Brabus pulley is going to set me back about 1200 Euros, imagine how much a bore/stroke kit would cost from Brabus! the rated output for this kit is 250HP... not too good considering if I can just change the crank/piston rods to 2.3 and with an ASP pulley I can get 230HP (averege HP from other members of this board with pullied 230K), I already have Brabus muffler and am putting on a new intercooler which would be good for about 15-20HP.
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Re: Re: price
Originally posted by 3pointedSTAR
lucky people... still for being part of the commonwealth you guys drive on the wrong side of the road... heheh
lucky people... still for being part of the commonwealth you guys drive on the wrong side of the road... heheh
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Originally posted by bajaiman
Is your car covered by insurance?? … I mean your car should’ve been a write off from the insurance company for a severe damage like that…. If you have to weld your car aren’t you worried about the stiffness of the car when you do corners? A welded chassis won’t be as good as a 1 whole piece chassis I would’ve imagined.
How about custom made intercooler??…since the labour cost in Thailand is not as expensive as in Oz or US you might be able to do some experiments
Is your car covered by insurance?? … I mean your car should’ve been a write off from the insurance company for a severe damage like that…. If you have to weld your car aren’t you worried about the stiffness of the car when you do corners? A welded chassis won’t be as good as a 1 whole piece chassis I would’ve imagined.
How about custom made intercooler??…since the labour cost in Thailand is not as expensive as in Oz or US you might be able to do some experiments
yup I'm insured... thank god...
the car's not a write off cus the damage didn't touch the suspension... just the boot section.
thanks for mentioning the possible trouble when cornering... will install a strut bar in the rear... only problem is that my boot space will be severely decreased... great MB techs placed the strut mount points in the middle of the boot storage space.
yes yes labour costs here is dirt cheap... I will experiment and keep you posted.
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Re: Re: Re: price
Originally posted by bajaiman
hahahha LOL ... a good one , I paid almost US$40K for my C200K and US$87K for C32 back here in Oz...I'd say you Canadians are very lucky ... btw... are commonwealth countries all RHD cars??
hahahha LOL ... a good one , I paid almost US$40K for my C200K and US$87K for C32 back here in Oz...I'd say you Canadians are very lucky ... btw... are commonwealth countries all RHD cars??
eerrr... do any of us actually work?? (myself included) hrrmm..
#17
Originally posted by tberry
I must say you guys pay through the nose for cars (guess we do have it pretty lucky in US) but how can you afford $80k (you cant buy cars on credit and monthly payments in Thailand right?), same thing goes for those in Hong Kong and stuff, (are we in the legit business? kidding).
I must say you guys pay through the nose for cars (guess we do have it pretty lucky in US) but how can you afford $80k (you cant buy cars on credit and monthly payments in Thailand right?), same thing goes for those in Hong Kong and stuff, (are we in the legit business? kidding).
Last edited by JeT; 12-03-2002 at 11:58 PM.
#19
Originally posted by Naughty Pants
Sell the 200K and I'll send you my car for $60,000.
Sell the 200K and I'll send you my car for $60,000.
but I WILL buy your engine for $6000 hehehe
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Originally posted by 3pointedSTAR
but I WILL buy your engine for $6000 hehehe
but I WILL buy your engine for $6000 hehehe
#21
Originally posted by bajaiman
If you’re willing to pay that much…why don’t you try to source a C320 engine? Smoother than 4 Cyl...I’m sure somebody in US can sell you the engine for US$6000
If you’re willing to pay that much…why don’t you try to source a C320 engine? Smoother than 4 Cyl...I’m sure somebody in US can sell you the engine for US$6000
oh yea, was checking out the C32 engine thread yesterday... I guess I need more than the engine right? like I'll need the transmission, drive train, new brakes, new springs and shocks to support the added weight, new ECU, new intercooler (c32 engines are water intercooled thus more plumbing and pumps)... I not prepared to go to all that trouble
But the 200 to 230 still sounds feasible and should be cheap (just crankshaft and piston rods) I will go to my dealer and ask about the parts and the cost.
Oh like I said before 500HP+ 2JZ-GTE engines (supra twin turbo) are everywhere... laid on the ground in the hundreds at the sunday markets... going for about A$3000 per engine (reconditioned)...
but since my w203 is only done 3000 ish KMs I wanna keep that though for later...hrmm... come to think of it, that's exactly what I need for my ageing white w202 C180 locked away in a storage yard...
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Originally posted by bajaiman
I'd say you Canadians are very lucky ... btw... are commonwealth countries all RHD cars??
I'd say you Canadians are very lucky ... btw... are commonwealth countries all RHD cars??
Cheers
#23
Re: converting 200K to 230K
Originally posted by 3pointedSTAR
Since my C200K share the same general engine design with the 230K (m111), would it be possible for me to change the crank shaft to increase my engine capacity? what else would I need to change? I'm assuming I'll also have to change the rods between the piston and the crankshaft.
Do you guys see any problems with this mod? The ECU should be fine right?
SNIP
But the 200 to 230 still sounds feasible and should be cheap (just crankshaft and piston rods) I will go to my dealer and ask about the parts and the cost.
Since my C200K share the same general engine design with the 230K (m111), would it be possible for me to change the crank shaft to increase my engine capacity? what else would I need to change? I'm assuming I'll also have to change the rods between the piston and the crankshaft.
Do you guys see any problems with this mod? The ECU should be fine right?
SNIP
But the 200 to 230 still sounds feasible and should be cheap (just crankshaft and piston rods) I will go to my dealer and ask about the parts and the cost.
There may also be other components that are different to provide clearance for the longer stroke. The heads/combustion chambers may be different. Cam profiles? Valve sizes? Throttle body? Manifolds? I'm not familiar enough with this engine to give you any specifics... it could even be the block would need to be machined to provide the needed clearances.
All in all, I'd guess you don't know enough to do the mod yourself. So... you're going to pay someone else to rebuild your engine with non-stock components and all the development that goes in to making them work.
It would almost certainly be cheaper in the long run to swap engines???
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Re: Re: converting 200K to 230K
Originally posted by Spyke
All in all, I'd guess you don't know enough to do the mod yourself. So... you're going to pay someone else to rebuild your engine with non-stock components and all the development that goes in to making them work.
It would almost certainly be cheaper in the long run to swap engines???
All in all, I'd guess you don't know enough to do the mod yourself. So... you're going to pay someone else to rebuild your engine with non-stock components and all the development that goes in to making them work.
It would almost certainly be cheaper in the long run to swap engines???
But my assumption was based on the Brabus kit for my C200K which converts it from a 2.0 to a 2.6L, the brabus kit comes with crankshaft, pistons, connecting rods and an ECU upgrade.
If Brabus can go all the way to 2.6 without all the other stuff you mentioned I was just hoping an upgrade to 2.3 would not be too hard.
I'm waiting for a reply from Brabus as I type about the exact contents of the kit.
I have no experience with Mercedes engines, I have fiddled with numerous Toyota engines especially the 1JZ and 2JZ family, have increased to stroke of these engines from 2.5L to 2.8L... didn't replace the ECU, just the crank, rods and cams & timing belt...
Hrrmm.. the more I think of it the more complex it is becoming. I think I'll stop here... thanks to all who's tried to help out.
I think I'll just stick to a fast Jap car instead
3point
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Re: Re: Re: converting 200K to 230K
Originally posted by 3pointedSTAR
Spyke,
But my assumption was based on the Brabus kit for my C200K which converts it from a 2.0 to a 2.6L, the brabus kit comes with crankshaft, pistons, connecting rods and an ECU upgrade.
Spyke,
But my assumption was based on the Brabus kit for my C200K which converts it from a 2.0 to a 2.6L, the brabus kit comes with crankshaft, pistons, connecting rods and an ECU upgrade.