Jim Banville

Wouldn't you know, www.kbb.com is giving me problems
From www.edmunds.com...
Don't you love the way some members talk to each other?

Jim Banville

Okay, www.kbb.com started working again...

Outland

Anybody who pays 4K for high mileage beater is nuts. You can get integras with fewer miles on them in the 91/92 vintage for less. My friend just unloaded his 91 180K integra for $1300 bucks...and we all thought that was a lot of money to ask for a twelve year old pounder.

DCXdynodog

Jim,

Trust me, the insurance company didn't give me $4000 for it cause they like me and they wouldn't take "KBB" data.

This car is very popular with the young hotrod rice crowd *and* the 92 SI is hard to find here. Civics sell for quite high prices here and even higher in California. All Hondas have very high resale and remember-what your selling is worth just what the next guy will pay for it, *not* what somebody's book says it's worth. The Blackbook is representative of actual selling prices in this case. KBB and Edmunds are not.
I did a *lot* of research into resale of these cars and even the CX-DX cars would fetch over $3000 all day long. They are just like the Eveready Bunny, they just keep goin' n goin'....

Jim Banville

I don't believe Hondas in general have any higher resale of any other maker. Look at this Toyota I picked at random....

Black book value...
Looks like this random ($10K when new) '92 Toyota held its value better than the '92 Honda Civic Si.

speedfrk

Jim, Toyota's have extremely good resale too. Pick something else at random- like a Cavalier or Escort. Toyotas, Hondas, Acuras and Lexus' are at the top when it comes to resale.

Jim Banville

Sorry Speedfrk, but that is a myth. Okay, here's a '92 Cavalier at random from Black Book...

This Cavalier is about $1400 cheaper than the Toyota, new. You can do the math, but had you bought it new instead of the Toyota and sold it for these Black Book values, you would lose less money than had you bought the Toyota.

speedfrk

Well Jim, This is all hypothetical since there are no Cavaliers with 180,000 miles that are still running- well maybe one or two- but there are plenty of Hondas and Toyotas. Also, no domestic car is ever valued at more than rough book, but imports are all the time. If you really want to find out how this works, call around to a couple of dealers with the make believe Cavalier and Toyota and see what they would give you on trade.

Jim Banville

Speedfrk, PLEASE!!!!!! First, ya'll tell me KBB isn't as accurate as Black Book. Now Black Book isn't as accurate as what dealers actually pay. You also make absolute statements about how domestic cars and import cars are ALWAYS looked at by dealers? Please post provable facts (such as an un-biased survey [like JD Power] as to which cars have best long-term re-sale value based on what real-world cars sold for) or lets just drop the whole discussion.

speedfrk

BB is accurate, but you have to realize that a dealer then gets to decide how to categorize the car. Generally, any 1992 domestic car with 180K miles would be rough because of the miles. The reality is that no 92 Cavalier w/180K miles would be worth as much as a 92 Toyota with the same miles because everyone knows that the Toyota has a much better reliability record. Consumer Reports keeps pretty good reliability data, and I will check on these 2 cars tomorrow when I am at the bookstore. I mean, come on, which would you buy if you were in the market for a 92 compact car w/180K miles? Even just the perception that a Toyota is more durable than a Chevy will make them more valuable.

Outland

2003 Models KBB Says Will Best Hold Value

Acura MDX Jeep Wrangler
BMW 3-series Lexus LS430
Chevrolet Corvette Honda Civic
Mini Cooper Toyota Tacoma
Infiniti G35 Mercedes CLK

Jcapp3078

I have had that problem for some time. Foremost, the sensor was sending the wrong information to the computer. It was telling me it was 1.5 quarts low. I took the car into the shop. Unfortunately the problem was not fix the first time. Therefore, I had to bring it back again. However, after checking the car before taking delivery, the problem still existed. Needless to say, the car was in the shop for another week. They were looking at the oil sensor and not realizing that it was the computer that was not calibrated correctly. Once they realized that, the fixed the problem and gave me 2 months worth of payments. I thought that was an outrageous gesture. I didn't even complain. In short, the still had some high usage on the oil. I had to add a quart after 1200 miles. Then one day it stopped. In my experience with synthentic oil, it takes a bit longer for every thing to seal. Now the car hardly uses any oil. Just for your information, I had a '01 Jetta 1.8t. I put Mobil 1 in at 60 miles. The car was going through a lot of oil for the first 6000 miles. Then is stopped. Also, I know a few people with BMWs. They complain also. However, the problem seems to go away after some driving.
In my limited experience, I have read and found that the synthetic oil takes longer for the engine components to seal. Unfortunately, I have not been able to get a MB tech to admit this, but having not to add oil to my car is pretty good verification for me. Right now I have 6800 miles on the car. I stopped adding oil at around 5500. Also, I was told by an MB tech that some c230 have problems with the oil sensor--similar to what I stated above. Know I only check the oil with the dipstick. I don't trust the computer. I am glad that I have the dipstick. It would drive me crazy if I did not. Hope this helps.

John Cappuccilli