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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 07:15 PM
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Bright lights and driving lights at same time?

Is it possible to re-wire the Coupe so that you can have the headlights on bright and still have the driving lights on? Reason I ask is because I have a Mustang, and there is a way to swap two wires that will allow both sets of lights to be on simultaneously. All it did was make the ash tray light inop after the wires were swapped.
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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 07:22 PM
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At night, both parts of the head light light up anyways. But im sure you can wire it to how ever you want. Unless you are talking about high beams, which isnt so nice to other drivers.

If you just want more lights, but a HID kit it works good.

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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 08:42 PM
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Yeah, I was really talking about simultaneous high beams and driving lights. It's only because I drive on dark FM roads (that's Farm to Market for non-Texans) and want all the light I can get. Don't wanna hit a cow.
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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 09:31 PM
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How long do you need it for?

Cuz if you push the stick forward it turns on the high beams... but im not sure how long they will stay on for in that mode.



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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 09:34 PM
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When you engage the high beams the driving lights turn off immediately. I want them to both stay on, and when I revert to low beams, I want the driving lights to stay on then too. Is that what you mean?
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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 10:58 PM
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Driving lights? Do you mean the fog lights? Driving lights produce a pencil shaped beam for a long range, our fog lights produce a short but broad beam. They are good for low speeds in bad weather, but I don't think they'll help with cows at 70 mph. You might want to try the 80 watt rally H7 bulbs in the high beams.
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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 11:09 PM
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Ha! Well this thread brought up a question thats been on my mind;
Without great expense, can coupe owners just change the bulbs to get more light?
I don't care to go to the trouble and expense of retrofitting to
the Xenon's.
What options are out there, for a quick bulb change?
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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 11:19 PM
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That's the Fog-Shine-Throwers (gotta love German syntax) you're referring to.

They are NOT driving lights, they are fog lights.

It would be possible to wire them to operate with high beam, but in a multiplexed car like a CL 203 I'd not want to touch that one myself.
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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by C230 Sport Coup
Ha! Well this thread brought up a question thats been on my mind;
Without great expense, can coupe owners just change the bulbs to get more light?
I don't care to go to the trouble and expense of retrofitting to
the Xenon's.
What options are out there, for a quick bulb change?
There are a variety of H7 bulbs that can be used, but the best choice is probably the Philips VisionPlus. The are 55 watt bulbs, same as the stock bulbs, but produce about 30% more light. They are not legal in the US. I bought mine from a company in the UK. The 80 watt rally bulbs are much brighter and of course illega. There are also 100 or 110 watt bulbs. These operate at high temperatures and may melt the plastic headlight housings.

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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by C230 Sport Coup
Without great expense, can coupe owners just change the bulbs to get more light?
You should be able to buy some 100 watt high beam bulbs - replace out your 55 watt versions.

You may have to change the fuse, or add a relay. I've never done it to a Mercedes - they have too many computers, ya know. (Can there be too many?)
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Old Jan 28, 2003 | 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by C230Komp
When you engage the high beams the driving lights turn off immediately. I want them to both stay on, and when I revert to low beams, I want the driving lights to stay on then too. Is that what you mean?
I'm pretty sure in my car, when I engage the High Beams the Low Beams (driving lights?) remain ON... the Highs are merely added to the Lows. However, when engaging the Highs, the Fog lights DO go out (as intended, Fogs are for short range, Highs are for long range, you don't need both... High Beams in fog are not good, they blind other drivers and you can't see better with them anyway).

As Lynn notes, the simple Halogen (non-HID look) bulb replacement is to upgrade to Phillips Vision Plus (55W) or Phillips Rally (80W) bulbs. While Lynn has the Plus', I have the Rallys in my Low beams, and they work great. No fuse or relays required. They are as bright at the High beams, but are aimed lower, so as to not bother other drivers.

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Old Jan 28, 2003 | 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by jswedberg
You should be able to buy some 100 watt high beam bulbs - replace out your 55 watt versions.
I changed my low beams to 100W because I thought the low beams were horrible in the coupe. I changed the highs too, but kept them at 55W. They are still plenty bright for me. I don't think I would want or need 100W bulbs in the highs ever.

C230Komp, I would change your lows to either 80W or 100W and also aim them up a bit. I did that and I can see great now. The coupe's lights are aimed pretty low, at least mine were. I aimed them up and they still don't shine in anyone's eyes. I haven't been flashed by anyone since I have had them.

Your high beams will also be raised up and it should help you see better. The fogs being on won't help you at all, only in close range.
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Old Jan 28, 2003 | 02:54 PM
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Can't find the Phillip Rally 80W you mentioned on Google.
CLosest I can find is this item. DO you think it will work for the c-coupe ??? Thanks.

Item Name: High Output Headlight Bulb - 70watt Low Beam
Category: Truck Accessories
Sub-Category: Headlight Booster
Price: $20.00
Phillips Rally series 70w low beams fit all 9006 applications

No "fuzzy math" (55 = 100 like PIAA says) here, just excelent performance. These work extremely well, but are not D.O.T. approved. I believe the bulbs combined with my HB harness provide a great 1-2 punch and the best bang for the buck!



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I'm pretty sure in my car, when I engage the High Beams the Low Beams (driving lights?) remain ON... the Highs are merely added to the Lows. However, when engaging the Highs, the Fog lights DO go out (as intended, Fogs are for short range, Highs are for long range, you don't need both... High Beams in fog are not good, they blind other drivers and you can't see better with them anyway).

As Lynn notes, the simple Halogen (non-HID look) bulb replacement is to upgrade to Phillips Vision Plus (55W) or Phillips Rally (80W) bulbs. While Lynn has the Plus', I have the Rallys in my Low beams, and they work great. No fuse or relays required. They are as bright at the High beams, but are aimed lower, so as to not bother other drivers.
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Old Jan 28, 2003 | 03:08 PM
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Benzer, you want H7 Halogen bulbs, not 9006...

Check out PowerBulbs.com in England. They have both Phillips Vision Plus and the Phillips Rallye's. They take a regular credit card, offer instant currency conversion (about $44 US/pair either choice), include shipping in the price, deliver in just a week, and they throw in a pair of $20 "Blue Vision" City Light bulbs for FREE. These are a nice add-on that brightens those City Lights considerably. No more barely there yellow City Lights.

You will find you have to go off-shore to find these bulbs.

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Old Jan 28, 2003 | 04:50 PM
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There are a variety of H7 bulbs that can be used, but the best choice is probably the Philips VisionPlus. The are 55 watt bulbs, same as the stock bulbs, but produce about 30% more light. They are not legal in the US. I bought mine from a company in the UK. The 80 watt rally bulbs are much brighter and of course illega. There are also 100 or 110 watt bulbs. These operate at high temperatures and may melt the plastic headlight housings.

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Will usuing any 80w bulb melt anything? i know the 100w ones will probably melt the housing, but what about 80w? will any errors come up on the display? anyone have the offroad ones installed ?
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Old Jan 28, 2003 | 04:54 PM
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I changed my low beams to 100W because I thought the low beams were horrible in the coupe. I changed the highs too, but kept them at 55W. They are still plenty bright for me. I don't think I would want or need 100W bulbs in the highs ever.

C230Komp, I would change your lows to either 80W or 100W and also aim them up a bit. I did that and I can see great now. The coupe's lights are aimed pretty low, at least mine were. I aimed them up and they still don't shine in anyone's eyes. I haven't been flashed by anyone since I have had them.

Your high beams will also be raised up and it should help you see better. The fogs being on won't help you at all, only in close range.
how do you raise the aim of the low beams?
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Old Jan 28, 2003 | 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by christian655321
how do you raise the aim of the low beams?
Do a search for it and I think someone posted a picture that show you exactly how to do it. But there is a black plastic knob that you stick a screwdriver into and turn it. I think it is kind of in between and behind the high and low beams.

And no errors with 80W. My 100W work fine and haven't melted anything yet. Hopefully they never will.
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Old Jan 28, 2003 | 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by christian655321
Will usuing any 80w bulb melt anything? i know the 100w ones will probably melt the housing, but what about 80w?
I have had mine in for 2-months. No melting or hint of it. Member Chatmanr used his Rallye's more than a year in his C320 without any ill effects. (There are posts of folks using 100W bulbs without any effects, either.)
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... Will any errors come up on the display?
No errors at all.
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... anyone have the offroad ones installed ?
The H7 Rallye's ARE the "offroad" ones. By that I mean they are not DOT certified for "on road" use in the US. However, every HID Xenon-equipped car is just as bright, most would say brighter. They can't pull all of us over...
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Old Jan 28, 2003 | 05:41 PM
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The higher the wattage will eventually damage it.. but thats gonna depend on how long they will stay on at a time.. if you do a lot of driving.. 3-4 hrs at 1 time at night then i would stay away from the bulbs with higher watts.

but if u just drive 30minutes at night to get home.. park for a few hours.. let stuff cool down.. then go somewhere to get dinner.. and then park... your gonna be able to use it.
just get HID hehe..save u trouble.. and u can have high beam + HID on at the same time
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Old Jan 28, 2003 | 05:42 PM
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However, every HID Xenon-equipped car is just as bright, most would say brighter. They can't pull all of us over...
Since my lights are mostly white with a bluish tint, I always figured I could just fool the cop into thinking that they are Xenons just because it is a Mercedes. Or if they are smarter than that, just play dumb and say that you will change them.
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Old Jan 28, 2003 | 08:13 PM
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My headlights were aimed way below spec. Here is the tread with the pic of which knob to adjust and also in there I put in a link to a web page with d-i-y instruction for headlight aiming. It is easy to do.
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Old Jan 28, 2003 | 08:35 PM
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I have had mine in for 2-months. No melting or hint of it.
Even if there is no melting of any parts, this may result in minute deformations that would reshape the beam. Another possible danger is damage to the metalized plastic reflector - a thin layer of reflective material may get burnt resulting in reduced reflectivity, which would nullify the effect of added light output of the bulb. It may take a long time for this process to begin, but once it does, it results in a complete disaster very quickly, as more and more light (->heat) stays trapped inside the lamp as the reflectivity drops. Had this happen once with an overwatted bulb.
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Old Jan 28, 2003 | 08:48 PM
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Thanks for all the insight guys. I'll probably just buy some replacement bulbs and re-aim the headlights.

By the way, I did mean "fog" lights in the original post when I referred to "driving" lights. I usually think of fog lights as amber for some reason.
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